Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status and L7
The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5. Hi all What is Shock and Weathering grades ? I suppose that W is 0 to max 1 And from different fable. NWA1839 L7 is now officially reclassified as Ungrouped Primitive Achondrite ? If this is paired to Hupes NWA3133, so what is classification of this meteorite ? This is also ungr. achondrite ? Becouse I read something about strange CV7 etc. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
Hi Adam and Listees, The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5. Best Wishes, Philippe Meteoritica Hi All, Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is still under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU has a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months is not that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates if there are any. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official classification in 9 months. What is the deal? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Dear List, While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up with a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using the term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector confidence. If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a few examples that could stand some improvement: Amgala* Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault. NWA 1109* Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1068 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1110* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 1877* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1817* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1827 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1878* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1929 Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3118* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3140* Mass self proclaimed pairings * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in the above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend thousands every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant money. This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from now this list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the future. Now lets have some fun doing the right thing. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
Strange...type Zag .H3/6 very few difference.and its brecciated from the pieces have cut Matteo From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:30:01 +0100 (CET) Hi Adam and Listees, The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5. Best Wishes, Philippe Meteoritica Hi All, Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is still under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU has a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months is not that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates if there are any. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official classification in 9 months. What is the deal? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Dear List, While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up with a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using the term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector confidence. If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a few examples that could stand some improvement: Amgala* Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault. NWA 1109* Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1068 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1110* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 1877* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1817* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1827 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1878* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1929 Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3118* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3140* Mass self proclaimed pairings * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in the above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend thousands every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant money. This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from now this list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the future. Now lets have some fun doing the right thing. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
Yes, Amgala looks like Zag, but as a man who has sold about 80 kilos of Zag and 7 kilos of Amgala, there are subtle differences that anyone can see if they have seen a few pieces of Zag. Zag has very thick coarse fusion crust, often bumpy and granular. Amgala has smooth thinner crust, almost never granular. Zag is much more uniform, large breccia. Amgala tends to be very small breccia pieces, more black shock veins. To the trained eye, they look nothing alike and could not be mistaken for each other. I was in Morocco last week, I saw some zag, it is horrible, any zag coming out of Morocco now is rusted all to heck, and look really bad. Amgala is still there, still clean and many pieces looking like they never saw rain (which they didn't). I would be please to examine any suspected piece of either and make the call for anyone who thinks they were swindled. I really don't see any scams happening though, I have looked through ebay and seen nothing out of the ordinary. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Strange...type Zag .H3/6 very few difference.and its brecciated from the pieces have cut Matteo From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:30:01 +0100 (CET) Hi Adam and Listees, The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5. Best Wishes, Philippe Meteoritica Hi All, Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is still under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU has a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months is not that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates if there are any. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official classification in 9 months. What is the deal? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Dear List, While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up with a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using the term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector confidence. If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a few examples that could stand some improvement: Amgala* Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault. NWA 1109* Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1068 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1110* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 1877* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1817* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1827 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1878* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1929 Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3118* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3140* Mass self proclaimed pairings * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in the above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend thousands every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant money. This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from now this list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the future. Now lets have some fun doing the right thing. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
yes the crust its different but the matrix its the same, for the kilos... who is say to me this is not a fresh zag put on hold from moroccan people and now put in the market for another fall? Is many strange the Amgala fall notice is exit for a pure case, from a segnalationyou remember the bensour fall how many informations its arrive in few days? Is all many strange.amgala have rusty after few days if you cut, and the brecciation is many many similar to the zag slice I haveto much coincidence for this meteoriteyes, many meteorites its paired in the world of meteorites, just few days ago I have received my Bruderheim end piece with crust and its 100% similar to Alfianello, the same matrix, same fresh metal, same crustbut for Amgala the place its the same, and very few is the difference from this and Zag, its for this I have return all the pieces of Amgala to my moroccan person. Matteo From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:05:24 -0700 Yes, Amgala looks like Zag, but as a man who has sold about 80 kilos of Zag and 7 kilos of Amgala, there are subtle differences that anyone can see if they have seen a few pieces of Zag. Zag has very thick coarse fusion crust, often bumpy and granular. Amgala has smooth thinner crust, almost never granular. Zag is much more uniform, large breccia. Amgala tends to be very small breccia pieces, more black shock veins. To the trained eye, they look nothing alike and could not be mistaken for each other. I was in Morocco last week, I saw some zag, it is horrible, any zag coming out of Morocco now is rusted all to heck, and look really bad. Amgala is still there, still clean and many pieces looking like they never saw rain (which they didn't). I would be please to examine any suspected piece of either and make the call for anyone who thinks they were swindled. I really don't see any scams happening though, I have looked through ebay and seen nothing out of the ordinary. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Strange...type Zag .H3/6 very few difference.and its brecciated from the pieces have cut Matteo From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:30:01 +0100 (CET) Hi Adam and Listees, The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5. Best Wishes, Philippe Meteoritica Hi All, Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is still under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU has a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months is not that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates if there are any. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official classification in 9 months. What is the deal? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Dear List, While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up with a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using the term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector confidence. If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a few examples that could stand some improvement: Amgala* Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault. NWA 1109* Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1068 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1110* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 1877* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1817* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1827 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1878* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1929 Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3118* Mass self proclaimed
Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status
Hi Mike and Listees, Ive got exactly the same point of view as Mike. I dont say that a swindle didnt exist or still exists or anything like that, I dont know anything about that, but a thing is sure : Amgala (provisional name) is really a new fall. It fell 20km away from Oum Dreyga, on Gour Lafkah mountains. It exists some rare fragments, picked up just after the fall, which have not been weathered by any rain. The classification (H3.7/H5) is the official result of the MNHNP analysis. Best Wishes, Philippe Thomas Yes, Amgala looks like Zag, but as a man who has sold about 80 kilos of Zag and 7 kilos of Amgala, there are subtle differences that anyone can see if they have seen a few pieces of Zag. Zag has very thick coarse fusion crust, often bumpy and granular. Amgala has smooth thinner crust, almost never granular. Zag is much more uniform, large breccia. Amgala tends to be very small breccia pieces, more black shock veins. To the trained eye, they look nothing alike and could not be mistaken for each other. I was in Morocco last week, I saw some zag, it is horrible, any zag coming out of Morocco now is rusted all to heck, and look really bad. Amgala is still there, still clean and many pieces looking like they never saw rain (which they didn't). I would be please to examine any suspected piece of either and make the call for anyone who thinks they were swindled. I really don't see any scams happening though, I have looked through ebay and seen nothing out of the ordinary. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: McomeMeteorite Meteorite [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Strange...type Zag .H3/6 very few difference.and its brecciated from the pieces have cut Matteo From: philippe thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Amgala Status Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:30:01 +0100 (CET) Hi Adam and Listees, The classification of Amgala (Provisional name) is H3.7/H5. Best Wishes, Philippe Meteoritica Hi All, Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is still under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU has a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months is not that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates if there are any. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official classification in 9 months. What is the deal? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Dear List, While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up with a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using the term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector confidence. If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a few examples that could stand some improvement: Amgala* Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault. NWA 1109* Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1068 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1110* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 1877* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1817* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1827 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1878* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1929 Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3118* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3140* Mass self proclaimed pairings * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in the above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend thousands every
[meteorite-list] Amgala Status
Hi All, Mike asked the status of Amgala. Amgala (Provisional Working Name) is still under study at NAU. There are several reasons for the delay. One, NAU has a huge cue. Two, it is a very complex meteorite. Three, nine months is not that long to wait when we still have material from over three years ago still not completed. I will check the status Monday and give updates if there are any. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Adam, by the way, what the hell is Amgala? We have heard no official classification in 9 months. What is the deal? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Self Proclaimed Pairing List Dear List, While studying the problems associated with number borrowing I came up with a list of the most abused names. I see there have been some improvements lately in this area such as web sites have been changed, some are using the term suspected pairing and others are submitting suspected pairings to laboratories. This is good news and will help improve collector confidence. If every dealer did his/her best to follow the rules set forth by the NomCom, meteorite collecting could evolve to the next plateau. Here are a few examples that could stand some improvement: Amgala* Cleaned Zag being substituted, only one well known dealer still at fault. NWA 1109* Still being sold as a Howardite - Name borrowed heavily - Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1068 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1110* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 1877* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1817* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1827 Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1878* Self proclaimed pairings NWA 1929 Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3118* Mass self proclaimed pairings NWA 3140* Mass self proclaimed pairings * Studies paid for by The Hupe Collection As you can see by the number of asterisks we have a large investment in the above listed meteorites. This is why we take exception to anybody using these numbers that has not made their material official. We spend thousands every month on the study of NWA material and do not depend on grant money. This money comes directly out of our pockets. I hope a month from now this list is shorter. I will become more specific if needed in the future. Now lets have some fun doing the right thing. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
