Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
Any hallucinations of price fixing are worthy of a hash pipe. my two cents as a buyer: price fixing isnt something that requires multiple parties to be involved in, given the relativly small and exotic nature of the buisness / hobby of meteorites. If a dealer buys all of a particular find, then they have the ability to largely circumvent normal market dynamics and fix the price of a stone at any arbitrary number so long as it isnt TOALLY unrealistic. Rare diamonds are few and far between, but if you want a 5 carat, internally flawless, D color diamond, and you dont like a dealer's price, you can just go to the next one of many dealers that can offer similar product. You cant do that with alot of meteorites. Your choice is to either pay the price, or not have a specimin in your collection _ Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dearest Gregory, Uh, oh. You are right on on some things and way off on others. Story of my life, except for the "right on some things" part. It is that "tone" of the discussion to which Iwas protesting, not the content, itself. I don't like pointless name-calling anymore than you do, I guess we just disagree as tothe level of venom this particularconversation had reached. Seems to methe tonewasuh..."spirited" rather than just gratuitously ugly, and given a choice,I like "spirited" better than dry and boring, actually. Besides, "spirited" discussions make it much easier to decide which dealers to NEVER buy from, EVER (you know who you are). Any hallucinations of "price fixing" are worthy of a hash pipe. Well, hash-smoking ain't so unusual either, Michael. I'm well aware (as I suspect most serious collectorsare) of any number of attempts at dealer price-fixing - fortunately price-fixingSUCCESS is an entirelydifferent (and rarer) accomplishment. C'mon, Michael - you're the "Market Trends" guy.you've never heardof any groups of dealers EVER trying to establish and hold a certain price on a certain meteorite? maybe after reading the above you now agreewith me? You'd have had a better chance ifyou hadn't called me "dearest". (I work in thetheatre bizbutone shouldn'tassume stereotypes) ;-) Gregory
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on 3/2/04 12:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe after reading the above you now agree with me? You'd have had a better chance if you hadn't called me dearest. (I work in the theatre biz but one shouldn't assume stereotypes) ;-) Gregory - OOPS, Sorry, there. ol' buddy. Michael -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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En un mensaje con fecha 03/01/2004 6:18:57 PM Mexico Standard Time, todo el mundo escribe: Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people? A very interesting question, too bad it was only rhetorical so far. My head is REALLY hurting badly from the latest interchanges among and about some of the top tier suppliers, not that anyone would probably care. Is this enjoyable for anyone intimately involved? As a peon bystander it isn't fun ... so just asking. If it's not, any suggestions on how to prevent such flare ups in the future? Doug
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Hi List, I must agree with the members that ask that the interchange between two *warriors* are kept private. I really would like to keep the members on the list that have genuine interest in meteorites and promoting only the good parts of it. Also I really would enjoy having Bernd come back, but him reading what is going on again, will not change his mind. Sternengruss, Moni From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 04:18:29 EST En un mensaje con fecha 03/01/2004 6:18:57 PM Mexico Standard Time, todo el mundo escribe: Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people? A very interesting question, too bad it was only rhetorical so far. My head is REALLY hurting badly from the latest interchanges among and about some of the top tier suppliers, not that anyone would probably care. Is this enjoyable for anyone intimately involved? As a peon bystander it isn't fun ... so just asking. If it's not, any suggestions on how to prevent such flare ups in the future? Doug _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Howard and all, Howard Wu wrote: Those professional desert dealers in town spiking prices upward each year, however is another story...screw them. Tell them a Michael Blood's declining market doldrum story. How else will they get rid of these rocks. They can't eat them. Well sad to say when I was reading McSween's book on meteorites he has one humorous part in the book (I could see he was quite amused) where a Russian man did eat part of a meteorite fall. Not to mention others on the list who have eaten some dust, not to mention some Monahans that was eaten at the La Fluenta (sp) in Tucson one time but I don't want to go into that right now. Orientation up! --AL
[meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
Dear Mike and List Members, This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the past. First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us, not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors. Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When you pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist are saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source. Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past including Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago before you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another 23 kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the coordinates we supposedly gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer attractive and we sent most of the material back. As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the Amgala fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this negativity. Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people? Anyway this is some gorgeous looking material with a lots of stories yet to be translated still coming in. Stay tuned. Wishing everybody the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The 23 kilograms was stuck in customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer attractive and we sent most of the material back. These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have kept my mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of thuathe trip this time I decided to post the facts. Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for their thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00 per gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that Tony was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces. After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have pretty much maintained those prices since. The only way we proceeded to destroy the market was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier shafted you by raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the fact Mike and I paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will be the last we have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field and how we destroyed the market. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Dear Mike and List Members, This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the past. First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us, not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors. Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When you pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist are saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source. Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past including Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago before you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another 23 kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the coordinates we supposedly gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer attractive and we sent most of the material back. As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens of the Amgala fall later this week if it has not become tainted with all this negativity. Why is it that with every new fall it brings the worst out in some people?
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Why is all of this being done ON THE LIST instead of in private? Sincerely, Michael on 3/1/04 1:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 23 kilograms was stuck in customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer attractive and we sent most of the material back. These statements have been made a couple times in the past and I have kept my mouth shut knowing Mike would respond. But as the other member of thuathe trip this time I decided to post the facts. Mike and I paid between $0.50 and $0.90 per gram to the villagers for their thuathe. We also bought several kilograms from Tony Ambrose for $2.00 per gram. We were told on numerous occasions by many unrelated sources that Tony was paying $0.10 per gram or less. Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces. After expenses we felt $6-$8 per gram was a fair price and we have pretty much maintained those prices since. The only way we proceeded to destroy the market was to quench some of the demand. If your supplier shafted you by raising his prices then I suggest it was his greed not the fact Mike and I paid $0.50 more per gram in the field. Hopefully this will be the last we have to hear about our outrageous overpayment in the field and how we destroyed the market. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com Dear Mike and List Members, This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the past. First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us, not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors. Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known collector asked for several kilograms at this price you reneged. When you pull stunts like this it affects the market as a whole not just your intended victim. It is no wonder collectors, dealers and one scientist are saying you have done more damage to the market than any single source. Third, we produced everything we said we were going to in the past including Thuathe. We introduced Thuathe at the Tucson show over a year ago before you were aware it existed. We sold out within two weeks and had another 23 kilograms on its way when you made a trip out there yourself with the coordinates we supposedly gave to you. The 23 kilograms was stuck in customs for months while you proceeded to destroy the market with the couple of kilos you purchased from natives in the field paying way too much. This caused our supplier to raise his prices to the point it was no longer attractive and we sent most of the material back. As we said before, we will release several beautiful specimens
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gotta answer a few points Adam, 1. I destroyed Thuathe? I got almost 20 kilograms from the locals, paid them a FAIR price unlike Mr Ronnie McKenzie who was happy to pay then one CENT per gram. I sold for $6.00 to $8 gram, so Im not sure how that is destroying the price. Perhaps you can clarify that one for me? Did you not hand me the paperwork for it? Tell us all please if I somehow stole it from you. I was offended by your partners wife, so instead of buying from you, I went and got it myself. Again, I fail to see the problem. 2. Bensour, I got over 25 kilos of that fall. I was at the tucson show when it fell, I never said or implied that I was the first, Dean Bessey posted it for sale if I recall before anyone. you seem to imply that I destroyed Bensour by selling at a loss. No Adam, I think I cost myself alot of money, and made some EXTREMELY happy collectors and museums. you seem to think that collectors want to pay top dollar? Again, I fail to see the logic in that post. I got a meteorite, had a spat with Bessy, and sold cheap to make a point. The point was made I belive. So I guess a few dealers were not happy. I am not here to please other dealers, only my customers and myself. 3. On this fall, fine, so be it, I did not know you had it, have been busy in the field in Oman and elswhere, while you sit at home getting DHL packages, so since you did get it first, my hat is off to you, congratulations, I know you like to play junior scientist, so go for it. I never said I was the only one on this, I announced it when I got it in my hands, if that broke open your little secret, well, I guess you should have coordinated with me on that. And I did not say you made up anything to trump me, however, it would not be the first time that someone has posted that they have tons of material when they do not. Casper used to do that all the time, he did it with NWA 482 and many other meteorites. I dont think that asking to see the material is a problem if you have it? If that is a problem, tell us what it is? 4. why would I damage the market? I want o offer my customers a good price while making a profit for myself and my partners, that is the crux of American business. Are you saying I should mark it up many more times than I paid? What price do you want Adam, $100 gram, $50 gram? The things you said Adam were wrong, I have answered them point by point logically. I would think the collectors on this list want good meteorites at the best possible prices. If you are telling me that they are angry that I sold Bensour cheap, damn, I had better raise my prices accross the board and make everyone happy again. Ill bet that will raise some smiles from my customers. Adam, sorry I stumbled onto your fall. This was my 30th COUNT them 30 trips to Morocco. I think you have been ONE time? hello Dear Mike and List Members, This post is not intended to be argumentative but could be perceived by some as being so. We just want to make our position known in regards to the new fall and other issues that were brought up by Mike Farmer on his latest posts. Do not worry, our intentions are not to get involved in perpetual arguements on the List as this has proven to be most unproductive in the past. First of all Mike, you were not the first to report this new fall. Check with the University of Washington and NAU. A few List members have been aware that we were working on this fall for some time and can vouch for us, not that this is needed. I will not respond to your ridiculous accusations that we have a few samples and made all this up to scoop you. Time will show who is telling the truth and in very short order. We forgive you for accidentally stumbling onto this fall months after the fact. We are not too worried about you damaging the market this time with your share that only amounts to a few hundred grams after you divide it up with your investors. Secondly Mike, you were never the first to report any new fall that we are aware of. If your memory serves you correctly, and let the record show, that we were the first to submit samples of Bensour to the scientific community within 5 days of the fall. A month had elapsed before you recovered any Bensour, long after Dean Bessey, Rob Elliot and ourselves made it available to market. As a matter of fact, we even announced the name and classification before you made your supposed trip to Bensour. We never claimed we went to the Bensour region but you did. We told the NomCom to get the coordinates from you since you claimed to have been to this dangerous area but, of course, no coordinates were provided. This is the last piece of data needed to make Bensour an official fall. Step up to the plate and provide this most crucial data and impress us all. Another note, You destroyed the price of Bensour by selling it for less than your cost at $2.80 a gram just to get even with Bessey. When a well known
Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
Hi list, in general I find this discussions about destroying field prices very strange. I understand well that we are not living in a world full of elves and dwarfs, but how can one boast with paying the lowest, and from collector's view most ridicolous price to the locals in extreme poor regions, who suffer from living conditions, which we in the first world can't imagine. If I would act so and would not be able to be ashamed , I would be at least very quiet, instead to fish for applause, what for a great jewel I am in the crown of the meteorite market or to attack others, who paid more to the stupid aborigines and who are not so advanced yet in their lessons of colonialism. My personal opinion. Martin A. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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My two cents, After seeing the smiling faces of those kids on Mike Farmer'sThuathe page II say give those native finders whatever you can afford They deserve the windfall. Those professional desert dealers in townspiking prices upward each year, however is another story...screw them. Tell them a Michael Blood's declining market doldrum story. How else will they get rid of these rocks. They can't eat them. New meteorite fall in downtown USA, it is everyman for himself, then wait for the price to settle down to earth. ( Name withheld so not to hearreprocusions when I whine about prices to myfavorite suppliers.. thanks guys! Oops, posted on top..never mind) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
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Dearest Gregory, You are right on on some things and way off on others. IE: you are QUITE right about not being able to get two dealers to agree on anything longer than a few minutes, let alone 3 or more dealers. Any hallucinations of price fixing are worthy of a hash pipe. HOWEVER, regardless of whether you (or I or anyone else) likes being in the know about what was paid by whom and when is quite secondary to the my dog is bigger than your dog tone of said discussions. It is that tone of the discussion to which I was protesting, not the content, itself. If people want to huff and puff and see who can pee highest up the wall - REGARDLESS OF CONTENT, they should do it AT LEAST off this list, and preferably in private - but DEFINATELY off the list. Again, it doesn't matter what the content issue is - it is the PROCESS that is the point. There is PLENTY of information I would like to have, but no mater WHAT the info is, bringing it out in the context of a my dad can beat up your dad format on the list isn't OK. (I will refrain form mentioning MULTIPLE specifics of things written that SPECIFICALLY violated list rules in the above exchanges - as doing so is just one other way of putting it on the list). BTW - I quite agree - the content was most interesting. I always appreciate your wit and perspective, Gregory, but on this one. well, maybe after reading the above you now agree with me? If not - no prob. Best wishes, yer bud, Michael on 3/1/04 5:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why is all of this being done ON THE LIST instead of in private? Must respectfully disagree on this one, Michael - this is a conversation about the inner-workings of the meteorite-market, seems to me that not only is it perfectly relevant for this list, isn't it also ideal fodder for your Meteorite Market Trends column? As long as the discussion doesn't descend into the realm of the personal attack, seems to me it couldn't be more appropriate. More information is always better than less, it seems to me - I like knowing about wholesale and acquisition costs when I consider paying retail for somethingand not just meteorites. That said, I, for one, get a little nervous whenever I hear rumblings about destroying the market. To me, the only way a market could only be destroyed, is if it is disproportionally controlled by somebody to begin with. If the market is a healthy one, the fluctuations and highs and lows are the result of healthy competition and normal supply-and-demand among a large group of buyers and sellers, too large for any one buyer's or seller's activity to affect the big picture much. From reading their list-posts over the years, it would seem that meteorite dealers would be incapable of getting together and agreeing on pizza toppings, much less be able to conspire to keep prices artificially high, much much less be able to maintain that conspiracy for very long without someone jumping ship. So if it's true any one dealer (or worse, a complicit group of dealers) is even capable of destroying a market for something, then in my opinion they have managed to seize unfair control of it in the first place, possibly approaching the point of it becoming (at best) unethical or (at worst) illegal...it's called price-fixing. Buyers can and should occasionally flex their muscles, too, and should respond by refusing to buy from dealers who engage in any unethical or illegal practices -- and price-fixing is not much more deserving of buyer-tolerance than the meteorite acquisition-style popular near Bethany, Connecticut. So those dealers who band together and conspire to keep prices artificially high should do so at their own peril - let the seller beware, too.$0.02. Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
