RE: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
The other two (the real) reasons Nasa doesn't want anyone picking up shuttle debris are: 1.Risk of Radiolocial contamination. There are some nasty radioactive parts to the shuttle, Tritium/radium on the dials/indictors, emergency lighting etc. 2. It might be old, but its still has commercial/secret/classified components to it that I am sure the government wouldn't want in general circulation! Warning the general public not to touch these things is all part of a standard 'post-accident procedure' that kicks in after and incident. -- As for the 'the rocks where hot to the touch' statement (made after the 'Elma' 'fall'), - it's a sure way of sorting out the GENUINE falls from the not-so-Genuine ones, lets not deter people from making this statement it is a useful indicator, since most of the scams/fake falls over the last few years have included hot-rock-flames-burnt trees type statements!! Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Hello Mark and List, Mark wrote; The other two (the real) reasons Nasa doesn't want anyone picking up shuttle debris are: 1.Risk of Radiolocial contamination. There are some nasty radioactive parts to the shuttle, Tritium/radium on the dials/indictors, emergency lighting etc. 2. It might be old, but its still has commercial/secret/classified components to it that I am sure the government wouldn't want in general circulation! Warning the general public not to touch these things is all part of a standard 'post-accident procedure' that kicks in after and incident These same reasons were used at another crash site, Roswell. Hmmm? Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High The other two (the real) reasons Nasa doesn't want anyone picking up shuttle debris are: 1.Risk of Radiolocial contamination. There are some nasty radioactive parts to the shuttle, Tritium/radium on the dials/indictors, emergency lighting etc. 2. It might be old, but its still has commercial/secret/classified components to it that I am sure the government wouldn't want in general circulation! Warning the general public not to touch these things is all part of a standard 'post-accident procedure' that kicks in after and incident. -- As for the 'the rocks where hot to the touch' statement (made after the 'Elma' 'fall'), - it's a sure way of sorting out the GENUINE falls from the not-so-Genuine ones, lets not deter people from making this statement it is a useful indicator, since most of the scams/fake falls over the last few years have included hot-rock-flames-burnt trees type statements!! Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Perhaps it was fresh hot asphalt that the boys burned their hands on? just a thought, X
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Mr. X wrote, maybe it was hot ashalt that boy burnt his hand on.. Dear List and Mr.X, Another thought, wouldn't the samples we've seen have been coated in that same melted asphalt, hot enough to melt divets in surface, supposedly landed on, if their story is accurate? Just another thought. I was under naive understanding that meteorites did not burn hot to the touch, upon falling and could be picked right up, as in stories I read during the PF strewnfield incident and others? Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? Could someone enlighten me? I'm asking questions, because I dont know. Hope this last question doesn't turn out to be Governmentally Political ! Cripes!Thanks, and Rgards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Marcie, you asked; Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? I think the reason was two fold, the one they gave, Hazardous fuel from the tanks could of contaminated the pieces. Two, They wanted to scare the people in an effort to keep them from taking pieces home! About the fall, the witness's claim to see have seen the fire ball burn almost all the way to the ground. If that's the case, any meteorite from the fireball would have still been many miles away. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High Mr. X wrote, maybe it was hot ashalt that boy burnt his hand on.. Dear List and Mr.X, Another thought, wouldn't the samples we've seen have been coated in that same melted asphalt, hot enough to melt divets in surface, supposedly landed on, if their story is accurate? Just another thought. I was under naive understanding that meteorites did not burn hot to the touch, upon falling and could be picked right up, as in stories I read during the PF strewnfield incident and others? Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? Could someone enlighten me? I'm asking questions, because I dont know. Hope this last question doesn't turn out to be Governmentally Political ! Cripes!Thanks, and Rgards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Just another thought. I was under naive understanding that meteorites did not burn hot to the touch, upon falling and could be picked right up, as in stories I read during the PF strewnfield incident and others? Most meteorites will have cooled off by the time they reach the ground, though in a few instances they still may be warm to the touch. They are not hot enough to ignite fires upon impact. Also, meteorites may get hot after they have landed if they are sitting out in the open sun during a hot day (ie: Portales Valley). Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? They cool off in their free fall to the ground. Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? Could someone enlighten me? Columbia carried chemicals from its science experiments and rocket propellant, which may have contaminated some of the debris that made it to the ground. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Tom wrote: Hello Marcie, you asked;Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case ofthe "Columbia" retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, asthey were hazardous?I think the reason was two fold, the one they gave, Hazardous fuel from thetanks could of contaminated the pieces. Two, They wanted to scare the peoplein an effort to keep them from taking pieces home!About the fall, the witness's claim to see have seen theHello Tom, Marcie, and List, I think I would be more to believe the second reason. Although one could understand why NASA would make such a statement, its hard for me to imagine that most of the fumes would not evaporate during its decent. Mark Bostick
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Evaporation possibly, butonly if exposed during atmospheric re-entry. An intact fuel vessel landing intact but then compromised by impact is a whole different story. There is a large argument over the safety of plutonium powered satelllites for just that reason. And there are known levels of airborn plutonium produced by both fuel and weapon mishaps.I am not necessarily subscibing to the complete text here but, http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/1999/365/365p20.htm.--Rob Wesel--We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams.Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: Tom aka James Knudson ; Marcia Swanson ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteorite List Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High Tom wrote: Hello Marcie, you asked;Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case ofthe "Columbia" retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, asthey were hazardous?I think the reason was two fold, the one they gave, Hazardous fuel from thetanks could of contaminated the pieces. Two, They wanted to scare the peoplein an effort to keep them from taking pieces home!About the fall, the witness's claim to see have seen the Hello Tom, Marcie, and List, I think I would be more to believe the second reason. Although one could understand why NASA would make such a statement, its hard for me to imagine that most of the fumes would not evaporate during its decent. Mark Bostick
Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High
Hi Marcia, As I note on my website, I think the notion of a hot meteorite is a myth, born by seeing too many Hollywood movies. IMHO, when a meteorite lands it has lost most if not all of the heat that was generated by atmospheric flight. They are not hot when they land. In the case of Columbia, here is the cynic in me. In addition to the real danger of possible injury from certain chemicals reaching the ground, NASA had to say that because somebody could have claimed that they were somehow hurt by picking up some debris, thus forming the basis for a lawsuit. By making a public warning, NASA was making it less likely that they would have a successful lawsuit filed against it. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High Mr. X wrote, maybe it was hot ashalt that boy burnt his hand on.. Dear List and Mr.X, Another thought, wouldn't the samples we've seen have been coated in that same melted asphalt, hot enough to melt divets in surface, supposedly landed on, if their story is accurate? Just another thought. I was under naive understanding that meteorites did not burn hot to the touch, upon falling and could be picked right up, as in stories I read during the PF strewnfield incident and others? Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? Could someone enlighten me? I'm asking questions, because I dont know. Hope this last question doesn't turn out to be Governmentally Political ! Cripes!Thanks, and Rgards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I guess that I'm even more of a cynic than Walter. I concur about the lawsuit protection angle, but also NASA just didn't want people pickn' that stuff up -- look how many did any way! From where we live in Southern VanZandt County, Texas, my wife heard the explosion/sonic boom (more like felt) then looked up and saw the twisting contrail. I was driving down the highway with cats to the vet and the whole thing happened right behind me -- saw nor heard nutn'. Nothing was found in our county (or at least reported) and we watched low flying fighter jets come over for the next couple of days. Our area is very wooded -- so, no telling? Fly Hill - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High Hi Marcia, As I note on my website, I think the notion of a hot meteorite is a myth, born by seeing too many Hollywood movies. IMHO, when a meteorite lands it has lost most if not all of the heat that was generated by atmospheric flight. They are not hot when they land. In the case of Columbia, here is the cynic in me. In addition to the real danger of possible injury from certain chemicals reaching the ground, NASA had to say that because somebody could have claimed that they were somehow hurt by picking up some debris, thus forming the basis for a lawsuit. By making a public warning, NASA was making it less likely that they would have a successful lawsuit filed against it. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High Mr. X wrote, maybe it was hot ashalt that boy burnt his hand on.. Dear List and Mr.X, Another thought, wouldn't the samples we've seen have been coated in that same melted asphalt, hot enough to melt divets in surface, supposedly landed on, if their story is accurate? Just another thought. I was under naive understanding that meteorites did not burn hot to the touch, upon falling and could be picked right up, as in stories I read during the PF strewnfield incident and others? Do they rapidly cool after initial impact ? Also, why, in the case of the Columbia retrieval, were people warned not to touch fragments, as they were hazardous? Could someone enlighten me? I'm asking questions, because I dont know. Hope this last question doesn't turn out to be Governmentally Political ! Cripes!Thanks, and Rgards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
