Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco
Hi Melanie, Cool! Thanks to you I've gotten some tips on how to order meteorites from Moroccan dealers. Hope your transaction is a quick and smooth one. Take care. Carl Actually it was a postal money ... _ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Carl. Odd meteorites are found in known strewn fields all the time. If you are lucky you will find an odd one. Bob Haag once purchased a box of Millbillillie eucrites from Australia and found the now famous Calcalong creek lunar in the same box. Calcalong Creek turned out to be the first lunar found outside of the ice field s and the first lunar available to collectors. To answer your question; You are correct. They would all be Holbrook etc unless you prove otherwise by having it checked. NWA there is no clue unless you are a Mike Farmer. He can spot a paired meteorite a mile away like no others. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Greg, Aziz, All, I would like to thank Aziz and others on their informative input on buying meteorites from Morocco. I'm confused about this pairing of meteorites and I think Greg touched on this briefly. This has been bugging me since I started collecting. I don't want to start a flame war so please, PLEASE think twice before hitting the send key on this reply. Take for example a dealer/collector buys a 300g stone from Morocco, gets it classified and it is named NWA , a very, very rare Diogenite. Later, more stones are found and it sure looks like NWA . I understand the original 300g stone is NWA but the others found later should be considered paired unless it has the lab work and documents to back it up. Using this logic, all subsequent finds of Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin,...etc. should be considered pairings and not in fact Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin? Is this because these meteorites have established strewn fields, respectively, but the NWA meteorites do not? How can anyone be sure a stray meteorite has not fallen and was collected in these U.S. strewn fields without cutting it or lab work done on each? Perhaps an experienced meteorite hunter would know the difference but what of a novice like myself? Carl Greg wrote: ...Treat the meteorites right; as in, accuracy of type, TKW, self-pairings (fraud), etc., and you will not have problems!!!... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco
Hello Melanie and list, In regards to your question of sending payments to Morocco, I have to ask a couple of questions and others also mentioned they weren't clear on your question since you didn't seem to be including shipping costs. I'd like to help you out and I mean this in the most thoughtful and kindest way possible, so please don't take it negatively or have any anger towards me. Make sure you include shipping costs when you were determining the total amount of the payment you need to send to the seller and then send a check and then say you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping costs if that is what you agreed to buy from the seller? You have said this in the past about not having money to pay for something or to pay for the shipping costs. It's good to ask for help if you are not experienced in sending payments outside of Canada beyond Paypal. This sounds like you decided to send a check for the meteorites and then were going to decide about a payment for the shipping as a separate payment or to pay for shipping later on. Is this why you stated you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping costs after you had sent your personal Canadian paper check? This doesn't sound right why you wouldn't determine the full amount due to the seller for the items with shipping and or insurance and then send one payment and later decide you couldn't afford the shipping costs they gave you. Also, you stated you sent a Paper Check which, as I am thinking is a personal check from your personal Canadian bank account by what you wrote. I'm confused to why would you think that a personal check from your Canadian bank account would be valid as you say, to a dealer in Morocco, which I am sure it is valid in Canada and you have money in your account, but most likely would not be accepted in Morocco or any other country? You don't often hear of dealers in Asia, Africa, Europe or for the most part any dealers in the U.S. or anywhere in North or South America or Australia that would accept a personal Paper check from a bank in a different country, although it may happen. A check from a Canadian bank account or from a U.S. bank account or any personal paper check from any other country most likely won't be accepted unless they verified with their bank first that they could accept that check. An example would be if there was Citibank in Canada and then Citibank in the U.S. would accept that check or Citibank in England, etc. .I'm sure if the check was from a bank that had a branch in that country that it would be accepted, but it usually creates a hassle and is time consuming to stand in line or through an ATM. As several members mentioned bank wire is the safest and then probably FedEx payment, but sending a paper check or money order isn't a good idea as Gary mentioned. I would like to offer a friendly suggestion to help you out. Please make sure you discuss all the facts and figures with any dealer/collector anywhere in the world before closing a deal. Remember you are entering a contract with this dealer, whether it is on ebay or through their website or through correspondence with the dealer. On ebay this is stated as you are entering a contract so be mindful of this. You need to finalize all costs. You need to get the full amount that you owe in writing, email, etc. for the meteorites and any insurance and shipping and then you need to first discuss the method of payment to that dealer before you send any payment. I think your first mistake here was that it sounds as if you didn't determine the full costs of the meteorites with shipping, then you didn't ask the seller if he or she would accept a Personal Paper Check from another country. I think you will have much better luck and increase good relations with dealers through online sales, ebay and through the different meteorite lists you if you slow down and get the facts before making purchases and payments. As you have written on your posts the equivalent of The Tom Hanks character from the Forest Gump movie, Life is like a box of chocolates.You need to stop and think that your eyes are bigger than your stomach and stop and think of what you are wanting to bid on or buy first and how to pay for it. There is an old saying in America that you may or may not know in Canada. Your eyes are bigger than your stomach which roughly means you saw the food on the menu and you ordered all that looked good to eat, but your stomach wasn't big enough to eat it all and you became very full before you could finish the meal. This is the same as the child that fills their plate up and can't eat it all at home. This also goes along with shopping at the store when you are hungry and buying too much, as in buying more goodies than you needed. In this case looking at meteorites you want to buy and then not carefully researching making a payment and then feeling full of frustration and aggravation at how to make the payment
Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco?
Hi Greg, Aziz, All, I would like to thank Aziz and others on their informative input on buying meteorites from Morocco. I'm confused about this pairing of meteorites and I think Greg touched on this briefly. This has been bugging me since I started collecting. I don't want to start a flame war so please, PLEASE think twice before hitting the send key on this reply. Take for example a dealer/collector buys a 300g stone from Morocco, gets it classified and it is named NWA , a very, very rare Diogenite. Later, more stones are found and it sure looks like NWA . I understand the original 300g stone is NWA but the others found later should be considered paired unless it has the lab work and documents to back it up. Using this logic, all subsequent finds of Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin,...etc. should be considered pairings and not in fact Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin? Is this because these meteorites have established strewn fields, respectively, but the NWA meteorites do not? How can anyone be sure a stray meteorite has not fallen and was collected in these U.S. strewn fields without cutting it or lab work done on each? Perhaps an experienced meteorite hunter would know the difference but what of a novice like myself? Carl Greg wrote: ...Treat the meteorites right; as in, accuracy of type, TKW, self-pairings (fraud), etc., and you will not have problems!!!... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All: It is my understanding that a true paired stone would need to be lab tested to match the first find (NWA ) or it would have to physically fit' to the first stone (NWA ). Perhaps this is not correct. I collect a lot on dry lakes and in that environment you can have many different stones from different falls - as these lakes are collection areas. Now perhaps strewn fields like Gold Basin, Franconia and Holbrook have had enough stones tested that they are called paired stones, but again you can have multiple strewn fields (ie Franconia). I'm not familar with NWA's and how strewn field are defined there, I would think it should be the same as I mentioned above. A true paired stone would need to be tested. Just my few grams worth, Greg S. From: carloselgua...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:35:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco? Hi Greg, Aziz, All, I would like to thank Aziz and others on their informative input on buying meteorites from Morocco. I'm confused about this pairing of meteorites and I think Greg touched on this briefly. This has been bugging me since I started collecting. I don't want to start a flame war so please, PLEASE think twice before hitting the send key on this reply. Take for example a dealer/collector buys a 300g stone from Morocco, gets it classified and it is named NWA , a very, very rare Diogenite. Later, more stones are found and it sure looks like NWA . I understand the original 300g stone is NWA but the others found later should be considered paired unless it has the lab work and documents to back it up. Using this logic, all subsequent finds of Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin,...etc. should be considered pairings and not in fact Holbrook, Franconia, Gold Basin? Is this because these meteorites have established strewn fields, respectively, but the NWA meteorites do not? How can anyone be sure a stray meteorite has not fallen and was collected in these U.S. strewn fields without cutting it or lab work done on each? Perhaps an experienced meteorite hunter would know the difference but what of a novice like myself? Carl Greg wrote: ...Treat the meteorites right; as in, accuracy of type, TKW, self-pairings (fraud), etc., and you will not have problems!!!... _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Brian, listers. Actually it was a postal money order that I mailed out to him (Mr. Abdellah Afiniss), and yes it included the cost of the stones plus the shipping costs. I asked him to mail it back to me and he said he did. Once I get the slip back I'm going to get back the money I put onto it and re-send the payment to him - probably via Moneygram (which he told me he accepts). At first offered me a lot total of 8.5 kgs of chondrites (all unclassified),, knowing full well I couldn't afford all that I circled some stones in Paint.net (free image editing program similar to MSPaint) that I wanted in the photographs, emailed back to him and kindly asked him to send me images of each meteorite I picked sitting on the scale to show their weights... I then worked out the prices until I made the final decition on buying five rocks together weighing 837 grams.. As I said he has been very cooperative, and I thanks him and I thank all here on the list for their input/suggestions! --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! From: searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:56:13 -0600 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco Hello Melanie and list, In regards to your question of sending payments to Morocco, I have to ask a couple of questions and others also mentioned they weren't clear on your question since you didn't seem to be including shipping costs. I'd like to help you out and I mean this in the most thoughtful and kindest way possible, so please don't take it negatively or have any anger towards me. Make sure you include shipping costs when you were determining the total amount of the payment you need to send to the seller and then send a check and then say you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping costs if that is what you agreed to buy from the seller? You have said this in the past about not having money to pay for something or to pay for the shipping costs. It's good to ask for help if you are not experienced in sending payments outside of Canada beyond Paypal. This sounds like you decided to send a check for the meteorites and then were going to decide about a payment for the shipping as a separate payment or to pay for shipping later on. Is this why you stated you couldn't afford the FedEx shipping costs after you had sent your personal Canadian paper check? This doesn't sound right why you wouldn't determine the full amount due to the seller for the items with shipping and or insurance and then send one payment and later decide you couldn't afford the shipping costs they gave you. Also, you stated you sent a Paper Check which, as I am thinking is a personal check from your personal Canadian bank account by what you wrote. I'm confused to why would you think that a personal check from your Canadian bank account would be valid as you say, to a dealer in Morocco, which I am sure it is valid in Canada and you have money in your account, but most likely would not be accepted in Morocco or any other country? You don't often hear of dealers in Asia, Africa, Europe or for the most part any dealers in the U.S. or anywhere in North or South America or Australia that would accept a personal Paper check from a bank in a different country, although it may happen. A check from a Canadian bank account or from a U.S. bank account or any personal paper check from any other country most likely won't be accepted unless they verified with their bank first that they could accept that check. An example would be if there was Citibank in Canada and then Citibank in the U.S. would accept that check or Citibank in England, etc. .I'm sure if the check was from a bank that had a branch in that country that it would be accepted, but it usually creates a hassle and is time consuming to stand in line or through an ATM. As several members mentioned bank wire is the safest and then probably FedEx payment, but sending a paper check or money order isn't a good idea as Gary mentioned. I would like to offer a friendly suggestion to help you out. Please make sure you discuss all the facts and figures with any dealer/collector anywhere in the world before closing a deal. Remember you are entering a contract with this dealer, whether it is on ebay or through their website or through correspondence with the dealer. On ebay this is stated as you are entering a contract so be mindful of this. You need to finalize all costs. You need to get the full amount that you owe in writing, email, etc. for the meteorites and any insurance and shipping and then you need to first discuss the method of payment to that dealer before you send any payment. I think your first mistake here was that it sounds
Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco?
Hi Melanie, All, At this time I don't see myself buying stones directly from a Moroccan dealer but there may come a time when I would be tempted to. I hope the more experienced meteorite buyers would share knowledge on How to, pitfalls to avoid and any advice other than, carefully. Mel, I'm a bit confused by your post. You said you sent a check but it sounded like you didn't figure in the shipping costs? Also because you sent a check, the seller doesn't accept PayPal or an International money order? How does one then pay for stones in Morocco? Carl Carefully! Best regards, Greg Hi list, Please help - I mailed a payment to a Moroccan dealer for a lot of chondrites via a paper check, he got it today, but he told me that the banks over there don't recognize it even though it is completely valid. I can't afford the shipping costs through FedEx for the lot I want - which will be over $200 CND... so what other less expensive options do you suggest? Thank you in advance --- Melanie _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I made an attempt to buy a meteorite from a Morocco dealer that would only accept payment by wire transfer, bank to bank. The price of the meteorite was $65US and my bank wanted to charge me a fee of $40 to make the transfer. Unless you plan to buy in volume, this is not a good way to pay. I wonder why they won't take paypal? Jim K __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There is no paypal in Morocco. Mailing checks or money orders could be vulnerable to theft or the recipient subject to customs taxes, if the Moroccan banks accept them at all. Bank wire is the safest means of conducting business, but as Jim stated comes at a fee - in my case, $50 for transactions up to $3000, and incrementally increasing with the amount of funds being transferred. More suitable for bulk lot purchasing than small single items. Shipping from Morocco is another expense one must consider, and FedEx is not the only player - shop around. gary On Nov 11, 2009, at 10:11 AM, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: I made an attempt to buy a meteorite from a Morocco dealer that would only accept payment by wire transfer, bank to bank. The price of the meteorite was $65US and my bank wanted to charge me a fee of $40 to make the transfer. Unless you plan to buy in volume, this is not a good way to pay. I wonder why they won't take paypal? Jim K __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara AstroDay Institute 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com http://astroday.net __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I sended $250 to a dealer in Morocco via Western Union, plus $10 fee, with no problems at all. Hans http://www.gaiawonders.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:11:57 + From: meteorite...@comcast.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco? I made an attempt to buy a meteorite from a Morocco dealer that would only accept payment by wire transfer, bank to bank. The price of the meteorite was $65US and my bank wanted to charge me a fee of $40 to make the transfer. Unless you plan to buy in volume, this is not a good way to pay. I wonder why they won't take paypal? Jim K __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?q=restaurantsform=MFESRPpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear List members, In Morocco, here is no Paypal as it is not allowed to get the currency out of country, we can buy online or send money out of country, but if you have a company and want to import something, you need to provide papers and if you have a son studying in canada, USA or europe, you have a limite to send him monthly, about $500-$600. We have 3 payment methodes : Western Union ; the most expensive, MoneyGram : cheap way, available in Post offices in US, Canada and UK. Bank Transfer : is the best even it takes 3-7 days, the bank take from the money their commission and when changing currencies ( ex : they get $1000 from your transaction for 7.65 MAD and sell it to Bank Almaghreb for 7.68) that means they do not buy the devise from you the same value in the market. Better you get back your check and then make the payment using one of the 3 ways. Shipping Methodes ; Chronopost ; the worst in the world Fedex : excellent, they even offer discounts and they have options Parcel post : excellent, cheap but takes a while, guaranteed, I was told that Fedex delivers their packages. DHL : excellent, I just hate the girl works there . EMS : Never worked with Airfreight ; large countities 100kg-up $520 for 100kg. GREGS CAREFULLY AREN'T SENDING MONEY TO MOROCCO NOWADAYS? AREN'T YOU GETTING SHIPMENTS? LET OTHERS DO IT AND DO NOT BE SELFISH One last thing, I don't understand how the moroccan did not know about all the payments methodes since he is selling meteorites, even beginners know western union. My best Aziz Alhyane --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Carl 's carloselgua...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:50 AM Hi Melanie, All, At this time I don't see myself buying stones directly from a Moroccan dealer but there may come a time when I would be tempted to. I hope the more experienced meteorite buyers would share knowledge on How to, pitfalls to avoid and any advice other than, carefully. Mel, I'm a bit confused by your post. You said you sent a check but it sounded like you didn't figure in the shipping costs? Also because you sent a check, the seller doesn't accept PayPal or an International money order? How does one then pay for stones in Morocco? Carl Carefully! Best regards, Greg Hi list, Please help - I mailed a payment to a Moroccan dealer for a lot of chondrites via a paper check, he got it today, but he told me that the banks over there don't recognize it even though it is completely valid. I can't afford the shipping costs through FedEx for the lot I want - which will be over $200 CND... so what other less expensive options do you suggest? Thank you in advance --- Melanie _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco?
Hi list, Please help - I mailed a payment to a Moroccan dealer for a lot of chondrites via a paper check, he got it today, but he told me that the banks over there don't recognize it even though it is completely valid. I can't afford the shipping costs through FedEx for the lot I want - which will be over $200 CND... so what other less expensive options do you suggest? Thank you in advance --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! _ Ready. Set. Get a great deal on Windows 7. See fantastic deals on Windows 7 now http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691818 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Carefully! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews spacewoman2...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Best ways to send payments from Canada to Morocco? Hi list, Please help - I mailed a payment to a Moroccan dealer for a lot of chondrites via a paper check, he got it today, but he told me that the banks over there don't recognize it even though it is completely valid. I can't afford the shipping costs through FedEx for the lot I want - which will be over $200 CND... so what other less expensive options do you suggest? Thank you in advance --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! _ Ready. Set. Get a great deal on Windows 7. See fantastic deals on Windows 7 now http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9691818 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
