Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
>>In light of the earlier proposal that all criticisms be phrased in the form of poetry, I quickly wrote this little ditty: `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware Steve Arnold, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, Steve Arnold, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain Steve Arnold? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. << I don't know what the hell you just said...but it does look poetic. :O) GeoZay **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
The sellers motive for closing an auction early and canceling all bids should indeed be taken into account. If the item is broken, stolen or you find out it does not function properly after you listed it, then you have a legitimate reason to close an auction early and cancel bids. This situation is different. The sole motive ( I talked with Dirk on the phone this morning and have seen, in writing, Steve's reply to him) in this case is simply about being offered more money (actually more value in a trade) which is unethical. If we throw ethics out the window and determine or behavior based singularly on what is legal, then we can become like the big business plunderers, who claim everything they did was within the law. Cheers, John At 08:54 AM 8/21/2009, Meteorites USA wrote (in part): The point to this post is not that I'm attacking or defending anyone but rather pointing out that there are valid reasons for sellers to cancel an auction. Maybe you listed an item and it got stolen, or broken, or you relisted it by accident (this might happen to a larger seller who lists hundreds or thousands of items per month). Maybe it was a grilled cheese sandwich with Jesus on it and your dog ate it! Thanks for reading this very long post. I promise my next one won't be as long... ;) Regards, Eric John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
In light of the earlier proposal that all criticisms be phrased in the form of poetry, I quickly wrote this little ditty: `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware Steve Arnold, my son! The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, Steve Arnold, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain Steve Arnold? Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' He chortled in his joy. `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe; All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe. Here is a dramatic reading, though they screw up a few lines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm9o6DH_uzE __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
Hi listees, I probably shouldn't respond to this. But it is related to meteorites. This is NOT an attack on anyone, but rather something to add a little perspective to the situation. I too have spoken with Dirk on many occasions and find him a rather interesting guy to speak with. He's always polite and professional and I respect him, his site, and what he has contributed to the meteorite community. However I have to disagree (in a respectful way) with the use of the words scam, and fraud in this case. These are libelous words if no proof exists, and can be considered real accusations of fraud. Legal issues could come of this. Canceling an auction when it has bids is NOT a legal issue, though it may be unethical IF the only reason is to sell to another person off of Ebay. Which is a breach of Ebay policy and violation of Ebay's TOS (Terms of Service). However... Even though it is against Ebay policy, it's NOT against the law. To throw around words like scam and fraud is dangerous in this circumstance. Even habitual canceling of auctions may not be illegal. Certainly unethical, but illegal? I don't know. Let me give you a scenario. Let's say you're seller, and you list an item for sale. It gets a few bids and you're excited to sell it. Then in your excitement as you're moving stuff around your office or store you accidentally break the item! Ooops! Now what? You immediately send out an email to the persons bidding notifying them of the problem right? NOPE! Ebay doesn't allow you to contact bidders (unless of course they are a previous customer). Now you're in a pickle. What to do? Is it fraud if you end your auction even though you have bids? If you think it is then you need not be on Ebay because you don't know how Ebay works. Again, no offense... Ebay is NOT the law, it's a website that people sell on. Simple as that. I'm not saying this to defend Steve, but rather to point out that the libelous words used are inappropriate for this circumstance. Simply canceling an auction is not grounds for the words used unless you have proof. A link to an auction that has had canceled bids is NOT proof of anything other than an ended auction. I certainly hope I do not lose business because of this post, if so then those who would not purchase from me for such reasons, well, let's just say I would rather not have them as customers anyway. No offense... I have no problems with Steve personally or business wise. Steve has NEVER scammed or conned me out of anything EVER. If he had I would never do business with him again. He has been a good customer since I've been selling meteorites, as have many of you. Sometimes people confuse Ebay with the law, and this infuriates me as a seller. It's something I'm obviously passionate about because I've been selling for so long, but what really irks me is that people assume that because Ebay says it's so, then it's gospel. Ebay sucks for sellers! Everyone who sells on Ebay knows that. Their fees are outrageously expensive and equates to 15% to 25% of your gross sales. The only reason we use Ebay at all is for the reach. The sheer advertising power is phenomenal. You can reach millions of potential customers for pennies. THAT'S why Ebay is so popular. Oh, and because you can find really good deals on cool stuff like meteorites too... ;) The point to this post is not that I'm attacking or defending anyone but rather pointing out that there are valid reasons for sellers to cancel an auction. Maybe you listed an item and it got stolen, or broken, or you relisted it by accident (this might happen to a larger seller who lists hundreds or thousands of items per month). Maybe it was a grilled cheese sandwich with Jesus on it and your dog ate it! Thanks for reading this very long post. I promise my next one won't be as long... ;) Regards, Eric John Gwilliam wrote: Dirk and List, Friday morning editorial. It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to this allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that he'll go into hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has happened. But, in all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and see how it all shakes out. I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone with him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended "vacation" to Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, well... I think I'll simply let his reputation speak for itself. If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the outcome of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I would bet on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our communities is, or should be, the duty of all honest people. If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
No naysayer at all, John. Thanks for your objective and noble statement. Thanks also to Dirk for his attempt to bring a bit more light into this case. A nice weekend to everyone, my best, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: "John Gwilliam" To: "drtanuki" ; ; "steve arnold" ; "Elton Jones" Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+ Dirk and List, Friday morning editorial. It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to this allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that he'll go into hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has happened. But, in all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and see how it all shakes out. I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone with him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended "vacation" to Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, well... I think I'll simply let his reputation speak for itself. If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the outcome of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I would bet on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our communities is, or should be, the duty of all honest people. If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror. I'm trying not to be bias. I'm merely relying on past experience to help me make a judgement call for myself. If some of you think this makes me a "naysayer" then so be it. Best Regards, and have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 02:41 AM 8/21/2009, drtanuki wrote: Dear list, Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve do you have a very good explanation? Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big Steve. Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support him on the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming to his aid as a dupe. Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo Item number:290341318450 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > Cancelled: US $13.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 07:12:41 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 > Cancelled: US $27.99 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 09:55:51 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 06:53:49 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 > Cancelled: US $46.98 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > 19:52:27 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 > Cancelled: US $59.65 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 10:23:52 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 > Cancelled: US $1.25 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > 20:50:08 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
>>If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror.<< Well...I looked in the mirror and I didn't see any guilt. If someone wants to give me something free and there's no strings attached, I won't prevent it from coming my way. :O) I've received several freebies from Steve and he has never asked anything of me. GeoZay __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
Dirk and List, Friday morning editorial. It will be interesting to see how Steve Arnold Chicago responds to this allegation, that is, if he responds at all. My guess is that he'll go into hiding for a time and then reappear as if nothing has happened. But, in all fairness, I'm willing to wait a day or two and see how it all shakes out. I've known Dirk for a lot of years and spent many hours on the phone with him when two of our fellow List members were on an extended "vacation" to Oman. He's a stand-up guy and I don't recall ever hearing anything negative about him. Chicago Steve, on the other hand, well... I think I'll simply let his reputation speak for itself. If I had to put my hard earned cash on the table and gamble on the outcome of this situation, I think that all of you already know who I would bet on. Exposing fraud on the internet and within our communities is, or should be, the duty of all honest people. If your support of someone is colored by free beer, personal favors or, in this case, freebie meteorites, then maybe it's time to take a look in the mirror. I'm trying not to be bias. I'm merely relying on past experience to help me make a judgement call for myself. If some of you think this makes me a "naysayer" then so be it. Best Regards, and have a great weekend, John Gwilliam At 02:41 AM 8/21/2009, drtanuki wrote: Dear list, Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve do you have a very good explanation? Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big Steve. Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support him on the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming to his aid as a dupe. Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo Item number:290341318450 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > Cancelled: US $13.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 07:12:41 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 > Cancelled: US $27.99 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 09:55:51 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 06:53:49 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 > Cancelled: US $46.98 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > 19:52:27 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 > Cancelled: US $59.65 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 10:23:52 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 > Cancelled: US $1.25 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > 20:50:08 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list John Gwilliam Too many people were born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Beware of Steve Arnold Chicago Ebay scams part 3+
Dear list, Steve Arnold Chicago has another Ebay scam?; pulling the auction the day of the auction and cancelling all bids. Or Steve do you have a very good explanation? Potential buyers or bidders beware! And whoever purchased the meteorite outside of EBAY, if they did, you are just as guilty as Big Steve. Any other bidders that are List members or have had the same happen on his other auctions please contact me as I am going to lodge a formal complaint with EBAY and have him removed as a seller. For all of you naysayers that take his free "gifts" and support him on the met-list please take a look and think before next time coming to his aid as a dupe. Thank you! Dirk Ross...Tokyo Item number:290341318450 http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290341318450 > > > Bidder s***v (Feedback score is 100 to 499) > Cancelled: US $13.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 07:12:41 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder 6***rFeedback score is 500 to 999 > Cancelled: US $27.99 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 09:55:51 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder s***s Cancelled: US $12.00 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 06:53:49 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder l***eFeedback score is 100 to 499 > Cancelled: US $46.98 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > 19:52:27 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder c***4Feedback score is 50 to 99 > Cancelled: US $59.65 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-19-09 > 10:23:52 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > Bidder n***aFeedback score is 50 to 99 > Cancelled: US $1.25 > Explanation: The seller ended the listing early and > cancelled all bids. Bid: Aug-18-09 > 20:50:08 PDT > Cancelled: Aug-20-09 17:26:00 PDT > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
