Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
Not specifically about meteorites, but rather a mineral collection that was partially destroyed by fire, creating similar recovery problems, described in Dr Steven Chamberlain's article in Rocks & Minerals, vol 83 (2008), #2 This has a lot of helpful information that would apply to meteorite collections too. On 5 September 2018 at 08:57, michael kelly via Meteorite-list < meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > This is very sad. > > It does bring up a question i have thought about and am interested in what > the list members think/do for fire assurance. > > Is there a way to store a collection that would help protect it from > fire. I am talking along the full spectrum of effects from a small room > fire indirect heat. to a full structural fire. I just recently started > collecting and i am working on a type collection of micros so everything i > own besides two fist size nwa unclassified is sitting in a plastic case, > very meltable even at low heat exposure. Its currently out for viewing so > my estimate is i would have plastic indistinguishable blobs even from > indirect heat. And wouldnt be able to tell things apart once the case > markings are lost. Is there a better way to mark? > > I already owned a safe, and have seen crusing meteorite articles that > others store in safes, but was always interested in knowing if that was for > security, to leverage some sealed enviornmental aspect (even the small ones > come desicated) or for fire risk. Or a combo of all. I know fire ratings > are a bit hokey on safes. And in fires if a safe is not on the foundation > level its pretty much doomed. And in most cases is apt to sit in hot > rubble conditions longer than its rated for. Or under water in a flooded > rubble filled basement longer than it is flood rated for. > > I am guessing however in either of the latter scenarios if stored in non > plastic inner containers they would be fine. > > Wondering what everones take is on fireproofing collections. Is there a > decent way to fireproof and still be displayable? Are folks using safes > thinking it will help in a fire? > > If exposed to a bad fire has there ever been an effort to reidentify and > restore specimins? > > On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 1:00:55 PM EDT, Jeff Kuyken via > Meteorite-list wrote: > > > Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has at > least survived: > > https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3 > > Cheers, > > Jeff Kuyken > Meteorites Australia > www.meteorites.com.au > IMCA #3085 > www.imca.cc > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" > wrote: > > Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical > items. > > Michael Farmer > > > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote: > > > > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' > > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner > > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 > > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html > > > > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 > > > > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News > > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 > > > > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus > > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and > > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a > > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. > > > > Luzia Woman > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman > > > > Bendegó Meteorite > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite > > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html > > > > Yours, > > > > Paul H. > > > > __ > > > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing > listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttps://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
This is very sad. It does bring up a question i have thought about and am interested in what the list members think/do for fire assurance. Is there a way to store a collection that would help protect it from fire. I am talking along the full spectrum of effects from a small room fire indirect heat. to a full structural fire. I just recently started collecting and i am working on a type collection of micros so everything i own besides two fist size nwa unclassified is sitting in a plastic case, very meltable even at low heat exposure. Its currently out for viewing so my estimate is i would have plastic indistinguishable blobs even from indirect heat. And wouldnt be able to tell things apart once the case markings are lost. Is there a better way to mark? I already owned a safe, and have seen crusing meteorite articles that others store in safes, but was always interested in knowing if that was for security, to leverage some sealed enviornmental aspect (even the small ones come desicated) or for fire risk. Or a combo of all. I know fire ratings are a bit hokey on safes. And in fires if a safe is not on the foundation level its pretty much doomed. And in most cases is apt to sit in hot rubble conditions longer than its rated for. Or under water in a flooded rubble filled basement longer than it is flood rated for. I am guessing however in either of the latter scenarios if stored in non plastic inner containers they would be fine. Wondering what everones take is on fireproofing collections. Is there a decent way to fireproof and still be displayable? Are folks using safes thinking it will help in a fire? If exposed to a bad fire has there ever been an effort to reidentify and restore specimins? On Tuesday, September 4, 2018, 1:00:55 PM EDT, Jeff Kuyken via Meteorite-list wrote: Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has at least survived: https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3 Cheers, Jeff KuykenMeteorites Australiawww.meteorites.com.auIMCA #3085www.imca.cc On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" wrote: Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical items. Michael Farmer > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote: > > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html > > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 > > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 > > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. > > Luzia Woman > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman > > Bendegó Meteorite > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html > > Yours, > > Paul H. > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
Truely a sad day for Brazil and all however the Bendego meteorite has at least survived: https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/00ec8479c0e3b749032f0c0cbde1ffc3 Cheers, Jeff KuykenMeteorites Australiawww.meteorites.com.auIMCA #3085www.imca.cc On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:54 PM +1000, "Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list" wrote: Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical items. Michael Farmer > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote: > > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html > > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 > > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 > > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. > > Luzia Woman > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman > > Bendegó Meteorite > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html > > Yours, > > Paul H. > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
A fresco from Pompeii. Egyptian death masks. Thousands of Aztec, Inca, Olmec, and Toltec artifacts - the largest collection of pre-Columbian artifacts in the world. Not to mention all of the meteorites. This is a loss that will have ripple effects in numerous fields of science. On 9/3/18, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote: > Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical > items. > > Michael Farmer > >> On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >> >> Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' >> damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner >> and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 >> https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html >> >> Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News >> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 >> >> Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News >> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 >> >> Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus >> skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and >> countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a >> meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. >> >> Luzia Woman >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman >> >> Bendegó Meteorite >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite >> https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html >> >> Yours, >> >> Paul H. >> >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks : www.galactic-stone.com Instagram : www.instagram.com/galacticstone Twitter : www.twitter.com/galacticstone --- __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
Absolutely a tragedy for all humanity. Massive collections of historical items. Michael Farmer > On Sep 3, 2018, at 10:07 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' > damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner > and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 > https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html > > Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 > > Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News > https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 > > Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus > skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and > countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a > meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. > > Luzia Woman > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman > > Bendegó Meteorite > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite > https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html > > Yours, > > Paul H. > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
A tragedy. Can't say anything. Yours Matthias B. Am 03.09.2018 um 18:07 schrieb Paul via Meteorite-list: Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. Luzia Woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman Bendegó Meteorite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
One small piece of good news: [The Bendego meteorite] survived the fire that destroyed the museum in 2018, sustaining no major damage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendeg%C3%B3_meteorite On 04/09/18 07:37, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote: HORRIBLE & saddening! - Original Message - From: "Paul via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 12:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. Luzia Woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman Bendegó Meteorite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
HORRIBLE & saddening! - Original Message - From: "Paul via Meteorite-list" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 12:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. Luzia Woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman Bendegó Meteorite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Brazil National Museum Completely Gutted by Fire
Inferno at Brazil's National Museum causes 'irreparable' damage and grief By Claudia Dominguez, Flora Charner and Holly Yan, CNN, September 3, 2018 https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/02/americas/brazil-national-museum-fire-intl/index.html Brazil National Museum fire: Key treasures at risk, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45395774 Brazil museum fire: Funding cuts blamed as icon is gutted, BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45398084 Among the 20 million items presumed lost are a Maxakalisaurus skeleton, 11,500 year-old Luzia remains, Pompeii fresco, and countless Pre-Columbian artifacts. The museum contains a meteorite collection, which includes the Bendegó Meteorite. Luzia Woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzia_Woman Bendegó Meteorite https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendegó_meteorite https://meteoritosbrasileiros.webs.com/bendego1.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
