Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! IMCAs are not automatically honest
Lists and Adam, I do not agree with the last point. IMCA is not automatically a label of honesty in dealing with mets. Two IMCA members have sold me "Nantans" with an so-called expertise. I analized them in my own LAB, finding that the "Nantan" were ordinary Mecong River Iron. It took a long process until they payed me back but not the total amount because I hade "used" the shit. IMCA presidial told me that both dealers (a couple) had not handles in intension. Poor argument! Uwe -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Adam Hupe An: Adam Verschickt: So., 14. Dez. 2008, 19:28 Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! Dear List, Bob Evans made the following statement which is completely untrue: NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. My response: Bob took it upon himself to steal NWA numbers from honest dealers in order to promote untested and unproven material. Every piece that I have ever sold with an NWA number originating from The Hupe Collection has been examined by scientists so collectors and researchers know precisely what they are getting. I argue vehemently, as now do some scientists, when dealers use numbers that are not assigned to their stones. This is not only to protect my interests, it is to protect those who have invested in legitimate pieces. In most cases, I have been completely sold out of an item with an NWA number assignment and will continue to point out infractions. Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and that the pieces they purchased have been examined by qualified scientists. Another disturbing note: I have noticed lately that a number of so-called "reputable" dealers are using approved nomenclature for stones that have never been examined by a qualified research institution. They claim that the Moroccans are providing them with the NWA numbers. Any reputable dealer knows better than to let a Moroccan pass out NWA number assignments and there is no excuse for not having these pieces studied. Dealers using numbers not assigned to their stones only serve to destabilize the market and hurt collectors who have honest specimens with good provenance. On a positive note: Scientists are now quick to point out these indiscretions and this practice is deemed unacceptable. Many scientists are now members of the IMCA which has gone a long way in promoting proper ethics and establishing authenticity. Bob Evans, lacking any sense of a moral compass, is the kind of character that does a lot harm to this great avocation. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinf o/meteorite-list AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort können Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Hi Al, and All, Even if Bob Evan's tells you where he got his items from you can't bet that it's the truth. Several IMCA members got burned in their dealings with Bob Evans, and we had the doubtful pleasure to investigate quite a few of these cases on the IMCA Board of Directors. I still have a special email folder with hundreds of mails regarding this subject. Bob, you wrote: "Misrepresent ? Never !" Hmmm, how does it come that the alleged source of your Tilden, for example, says that he never had this meteorite, just to name one incidence? I know, you said that you didn't recall that correctly, like in several other cases. Hard to believe, if you ask me. If I have a look at my meteorites I can usually tell you where I got this or that sample, especially when it comes to the rare or special ones. You also wrote: "NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market". Hmm, even if it would have been Adam's intent to "control certain areas of the market" this wouldn't give you the right to sell unclassified stuff as something that has a clearly defined TKW and classification. Stating possible pairings is one thing, selling something for something else is an entirely different affair. And it shows that you aren't taking things too seriously when it comes to proper labeling practices. I could go on for a while, but it's wasted time trying to convince you that you made even one single mistake. And that's always alarming, especially if the responses to legit questions are insulting and abusive. Caveat Emptor! Norbert Classen President IMCA Inc. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von al mitterling Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Dezember 2008 17:30 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! > First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal > business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called > out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of > dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, > notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a > sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as > collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited > to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as > the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent > considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main > mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a > list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known > enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To > make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. > He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he > would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've > asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run > around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam > that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad > name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the > audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all > newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the > long run. &g
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Dear List, Bob Evans made the following statement which is completely untrue: NWA 1110 - Adams efforts to comletely control certain areas of the market. My response: Bob took it upon himself to steal NWA numbers from honest dealers in order to promote untested and unproven material. Every piece that I have ever sold with an NWA number originating from The Hupe Collection has been examined by scientists so collectors and researchers know precisely what they are getting. I argue vehemently, as now do some scientists, when dealers use numbers that are not assigned to their stones. This is not only to protect my interests, it is to protect those who have invested in legitimate pieces. In most cases, I have been completely sold out of an item with an NWA number assignment and will continue to point out infractions. Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and that the pieces they purchased have been examined by qualified scientists. Another disturbing note: I have noticed lately that a number of so-called "reputable" dealers are using approved nomenclature for stones that have never been examined by a qualified research institution. They claim that the Moroccans are providing them with the NWA numbers. Any reputable dealer knows better than to let a Moroccan pass out NWA number assignments and there is no excuse for not having these pieces studied. Dealers using numbers not assigned to their stones only serve to destabilize the market and hurt collectors who have honest specimens with good provenance. On a positive note: Scientists are now quick to point out these indiscretions and this practice is deemed unacceptable. Many scientists are now members of the IMCA which has gone a long way in promoting proper ethics and establishing authenticity. Bob Evans, lacking any sense of a moral compass, is the kind of character that does a lot harm to this great avocation. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
I agree too, The mentioned person has certainly not the level and the standards, which all other list-members do have and which we all do expect to have from each other. (I remember Stefan had an issue with him too, about an unpaid stone). And especially if I remember, that real fine people sometimes were banned in past for much more marginal reasons, I think it is necessary. Martin, Greetings to Terry! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von al mitterling Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. Dezember 2008 17:30 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Everyone in the meteorite community is affected in a negative way by people like Bob. By not speaking up it can appear that his disreputable and illegal behavior is condoned by his peers. Yes, that's right, his peers. Until you stand up and openly condemn this unacceptable behavior, that is what you and I are. Best, John At 10:04 AM 12/14/2008, Mike Miller wrote: I know this community is not set up as a democracy, but I as a list member feel that I am condoning bad conduct if it is allowed to take place in my community without a very loud voice against it. In this case I think there has been enough brought to light on the subject to remove the offending person. If we do not then we are saying let his voice be heard, and by allowing it in our midst we say (by our actions or lack of it) that his voice speaks the truth. I don't even know if Bob is still on this list, but I feel he should not be allowed to post if he is still here. So I will cast that vote that I really don't have and say Art please remove this very questionable seller of maybes. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, al mitterling wrote: > Greetings, > > Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have > misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you > many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and > he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell > me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a > great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said > you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had > contact with you. > > Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling > meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of > question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. > However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know > where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. > Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people > warned. > > I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. > > --AL Mitterling > > - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! > > >> First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal >> business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out >> this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars >> selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably >> Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of >> his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections >> curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the >> Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is >> just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time >> researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be >> a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing >> I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, >> I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's >> Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I >> bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated >> in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money >> back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must >> admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's >> giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out >> of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would >> like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will >> regret it in the long run. >> Phil Whitmer >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 ___
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
I know this community is not set up as a democracy, but I as a list member feel that I am condoning bad conduct if it is allowed to take place in my community without a very loud voice against it. In this case I think there has been enough brought to light on the subject to remove the offending person. If we do not then we are saying let his voice be heard, and by allowing it in our midst we say (by our actions or lack of it) that his voice speaks the truth. I don't even know if Bob is still on this list, but I feel he should not be allowed to post if he is still here. So I will cast that vote that I really don't have and say Art please remove this very questionable seller of maybes. On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 9:30 AM, al mitterling wrote: > Greetings, > > Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have > misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you > many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and > he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell > me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a > great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said > you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had > contact with you. > > Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling > meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of > question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. > However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know > where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. > Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people > warned. > > I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. > > --AL Mitterling > > - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! > > >> First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal >> business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out >> this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars >> selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably >> Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of >> his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections >> curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the >> Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is >> just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time >> researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be >> a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing >> I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, >> I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's >> Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I >> bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated >> in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money >> back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must >> admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's >> giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out >> of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would >> like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will >> regret it in the long run. >> Phil Whitmer >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
Greetings, Since bob has sent this to the list, I will reply. One item you have misrepresented is Plymouth, Indiana. The buyer of that has contacted you many times trying to get their money back and has never had any success and he has tried hard. This buyer contacted me to thank me for my post and tell me about his fruitless efforts with you. There have been questions about a great number of your other items and the pedigree. Some of which you said you purchased as an exchange from a university but they say they never had contact with you. Your criminal behavior is a problem for the whole collecting and selling meteorite community. If you could offer up proof where your items of question came from then it might give you some of your reputation back. However in your email you mention that you don't have to let anyone know where you get your items from. To me, that tells a lot about you. Serious problems like this need to be brought out in the open and people warned. I agree with Dave Gheesling, Art, please remove the trash from the list. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans! First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Caveat Emptor: Beware of Bob Evans!
First off, kudos to Al Mitterling for pointing out the riffy, illegal business practices of Bob Evans. I'm surprised no one else has called out this onion in the daisy patch. Bob Evans has made thousands of dollars selling misrepresented meteorites to unsuspecting customers, notably Plymouth and Zulu Queen. I know because I was duped into buying a sample of his ersatz Plymouth. At the time, I had just gotten a job as collections curator of a small Earth and Space museum. I was very excited to see the Plymouth meteorite offered in an ad on the Meteorite List, as the town is just down the road from us and my uncle and I had spent considerable time researching and searching for the supposed lost main mass. (Turned out to be a wild goose chase). Since Bob seemed to be a list member in good standing I figured he could be trusted. If I had known enough to search the archives, I would have seen that he is a con man. To make a long story short, Bob's Plymouth was as phony as a 3 dollar bill. He told me it was etched before I bought it, (it wasn't). He promised he would return my money as he stated in the auction, (he didn't). I've asked him numerous times for my money back and got nothing but a run around. This guy is a con artist and I must admit he runs a good scam that has been very profitable for him. He's giving the industry a bad name and should be flamed every time he comes out of hiding and has the audacity to come back and post on the list. I would like to warn all newbies: Do not deal with this guy! If you do, you will regret it in the long run. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
