[meteorite-list] Crow Eaters - Last Meal
All, I noticed Mr. Ray's auctioned ended with the reserve not met. And he has removed the reserved for a final 5th auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2185527219 The high bid is currently $1.25 Best, ken newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow Eaters - Last Meal
--- magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, I noticed Mr. Ray's auctioned ended with the reserve not met. And he has removed the reserved for a final 5th auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2185527219 The high bid is currently $1.25 Best, ken newton I wonder if this object has silicates. I know that Russ was looking into it, but have heard nothing. Two small fragments were sent to me, but both were not slicated material. Steve Schoner/ams __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Crow Eaters - Even your best friends won't tell you... feather breath?
Ken and LISTees, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I think it would be a very good gesture. But, you can't say that the entire LIST was wrong about that meteorite. I know a number of people that thought it was, at least, meteorite iron shale. And there were a few who even thought that it might possibly be just a very rusty iron (given its high density). But they didn't want to risk posting their concerns to the List for fear of being tar'd feathered. And the others, those who thought it was iron-shale, didn't post to the List because they thought the whole subject to be Off-Topic. So I wouldn't chastise them for not speaking up. In retrospect, the consensus seems to be that we dodged the bullet on this one, and that we were lucky that Mr. Ray was such an affable gentleman... but what if the NEXT guy if he has more lawyers than good sense... we may not be so lucky next time... This consensus seems to lend some credence to the rumor going around that Art, our List Owner, has been going around and asking our more legal savvy List members questions regarding his risk of exposure to restraint of trade law suits and other liability issues. (Will we be faced with more List rules or disclaimers in the future?) But, Ken, here is something that IS my pleasure to pass along. Everyone that mentioned your web page had HIGH praise for you efforts, and felt that the way you handled the matter kept a bad situation from getting uglier! It was felt that your approach seemed to achieve the desired results. And again, I agree wholeheartedly. So, if I can ever be of assistance to you in your efforts, please don't hesitate to ask. (Off-List of course;-) Bob V. [meteorite-list] Crow Eaters magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:32:30 -0400 You know who, Here is your chance to make Mr. Ray smile by bidding on his meteorites: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2184536970 This is the only time the LIST has been wrong about a meteorite that I'm aware. If I remember correctly the specimens had some interesting features (NEMS): http://www.meteorlab.com/File2003-34/file2003-34.htm Best, ken newton __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Hi Marcia and all, I'll have to join the group at the banquet table (what does one serve with crow, some kind of kidney bean and Chianti? Opps wrong movie). I will say this, out of all of the meteorwrongs we have investigated, commented on, persuaded people they didn't have a meteorite, made people mad because they had a meteorwrong (leaverite), this is the first time out of dozens, maybe hundreds of auctions that we were mistaken. I don't think anyone does it out of pleasure or wanting to rain on anyone's parade but rather to keep those not knowledgeable and those that would buy from them misrepresenting and buying something that isn't a meteorite. Also keeping the selling of specimens honest so people will come to our group and buy. I personally think it might be nice to try to acquire some of this material so Steve Schoner can take a look at it and try to derive something of science out of it. All my best or should I say caw caw. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters - Part 1
--- Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FINALLY!! We have consensus on what is iron shale and what is a meteorite. It's whatever Steve and Gregory deem it to be! And if our specimen should look like those on this web page: http://www.meteorlab.com/File2003-34/pg2.htm then, apparently, we have an iron shale. Great! My mind is at ease, now. I can go to bed and sleep peacefully, knowing this problem is laid to rest. ;-) Bob V. (Part 2 will have to wait 'til tomorrow.) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Actually, This is a meteorite, as Russ's analysis reveals-- albeit a very oxidized one at that. But this is not just the common iron shale type. If just normal iron meteorite shale, then it is quite worthless to collectors. But this one has portions that have quite a bit of metal, and what appear to be relic Widmanstatten patterns. (Like the Coldwater, Kansas iron which was completely oxidized yet still displayed Widmanstatten patterns, which would not place it in the category of mere iron shale-- A highly layered form with no apparent Widmanstattern pattern) I am very intrigued by the numerous specks of metal shown throughout some of Ray's material. This is inconsistent with the norm for meteorite oxides that I have seen from Canyon Diablo. Further investigation is needed to resolve the question as to the presence of silicates, for the cut surfaces do look very much like the cut Winona specimens that I saw at the Museum of Northern Arizona. If so, then this piece is not the normal iron meteorite oxide found at Meteor Crater-- but something much more valuable scientifically, and monetarily. A specimen to tie in the Winona to Canyon Diablo ? What a wonderful thing that would be... A find that would inadvertently bolster one of my project aims in the MCE aborted Meteor Crater project that could have been. Steve Schoner http://www.geocities.com/meteorite_identification __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Hi Everyone, What Al said... -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marcia Swanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters Hi Marcia and all, I'll have to join the group at the banquet table (what does one serve with crow, some kind of kidney bean and Chianti? Opps wrong movie). I will say this, out of all of the meteorwrongs we have investigated, commented on, persuaded people they didn't have a meteorite, made people mad because they had a meteorwrong (leaverite), this is the first time out of dozens, maybe hundreds of auctions that we were mistaken. I don't think anyone does it out of pleasure or wanting to rain on anyone's parade but rather to keep those not knowledgeable and those that would buy from them misrepresenting and buying something that isn't a meteorite. Also keeping the selling of specimens honest so people will come to our group and buy. I personally think it might be nice to try to acquire some of this material so Steve Schoner can take a look at it and try to derive something of science out of it. All my best or should I say caw caw. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, What Al said... -Walter Hi, Everyone, What Walter said... -Gregory ;-)
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
I have always heard.. If you have to eat Crow...it is better to eat it while it is hot! Rosie ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, May 30, 2003 21:40:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Everyone, What Al said... -Walter Hi, Everyone, What Walter said... -Gregory ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Hello List, I just wanted to tell all of you who stepped up to the banquet table, for a portion of crow, on-list, no matter how you had it prepared, I really respect you for that and I am really proud to know some of you, and even prouder that there was no hesitation on your part to partake. A pretty special bunch of guys! Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Also, A special thanks to Russ from NEMS, who did the excellent lab work and photos for free! ken Marcia Swanson wrote: Hello List, I just wanted to tell all of you who stepped up to the banquet table, for a portion of crow, on-list, no matter how you had it prepared, I really respect you for that and I am really proud to know some of you, and even prouder that there was no hesitation on your part to partake. A pretty special bunch of guys! Regards, Marcie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
Have we, as a community, made sufficient peace with the dealer, so that we don't end up after this with a dealer vs. collectors weariness? Maybe an email should go to him, explaining that it was all done for the good of collecting, and that no harm was meant, and that his future endeavors in meteorites are encouraged? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
--- Ryan Darby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have we, as a community, made sufficient peace with the dealer, so that we don't end up after this with a dealer vs. collectors weariness? Maybe an email should go to him, explaining that it was all done for the good of collecting, and that no harm was meant, and that his future endeavors in meteorites are encouraged? Yes, absolutely... We have learned something here... Pictures are NOT worth a thousand words. Even a well known meteorite can look pretty strange over the internet. But what progress from this incident may be, I think that we are on the same page with regards to certificates of authenticity. We should use this case in setting guidlines as to how our certs should and should not be used. And also the format should be examined and a standard set. I certainly wish Dan, Lunar Ray the best, and the sale of his iron meteorite shale which it appears to be, goes well. There might, however, be a test to determine whether this sample is a silicate inclusion like the Winona Meteorite. Out of this, that would be a tremendous find. Steve Schoner/AMS BTW: Crow doesn't taste so bad washed down with Canadian whiskey. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Crow eaters
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe an email should go to him, explaining that it was all done for the good of collecting, and that no harm was meant, and that his future endeavors in meteorites are encouraged? In my correspondence with him I tried to say those things along the wayin between telling him he didn't have meteorites. ;-) Gregory
[meteorite-list] Crow eaters - Part 1
FINALLY!! We have consensus on what is iron shale and what is a meteorite. It's whatever Steve and Gregory deem it to be! And if our specimen should look like those on this web page: http://www.meteorlab.com/File2003-34/pg2.htm then, apparently, we have an iron shale. Great! My mind is at ease, now. I can go to bed and sleep peacefully, knowing this problem is laid to rest. ;-) Bob V. (Part 2 will have to wait 'til tomorrow.) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
