Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi Edwin and all, Port Orford. I don't know if you have read any of my posts related to the Port Orford Meteorite. While I admit that it could be a hoax, I have quite a few problems with the research on the Port Orford and don't agree with much of what was said. Believe me when I say I am very well read up on all of the research and still disagree. My efforts to discuss these points with the researches were dismissed very lightly. Some of the items that don't make sense to me is the fact they used a copy of John Evan's map of his exploration of Oregon. It could be an accurate copy or it could have been a deliberate misrepresented copy as there was a lack of funds to pay for the publication of Evan's work. The copy was not in Evan's handwriting but looks to be in the handwriting of his wife. I firmly believe that the researcher was on the wrong mountain based on some descriptions used before his work and other published records. There seems to be an effort bent on making John Evans a mismanager of his funds but it fails to account for the fact that the Oregon gold rush was on then and that the cost of things were much higher than had been estimated. There is another character that comes into play who may have substituted the Imilac for the real Port Orford pieces if there truly were any. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory but it has cost the government lots of money for answering letters, phone calls for people wanting to hunt for the meteorite and there has been countless rescues of people who don't take the rugged terrain seriously. Since my sister and brother in law live in this state I have spent many months in Oregon and have hunted myself. I could go on but it would be better for interested parties to look up my posts as well as that of a college who has investigate this extensively and brings out the points that don't seem to match up. I addressed this extensively on the Meteorite Impact forum when it was in existence. All my best! --AL Mitterling Edwin Thompson wrote: I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner! Cheers, Edwin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi Al and Edwin, etc. I have in my posession an article by Doug Borgard about Port Orford. The article will be in the May or August issue of Meteorite magazine. Larry On Mon, February 19, 2007 7:50 am, AL Mitterling wrote: Hi Edwin and all, Port Orford. I don't know if you have read any of my posts related to the Port Orford Meteorite. While I admit that it could be a hoax, I have quite a few problems with the research on the Port Orford and don't agree with much of what was said. Believe me when I say I am very well read up on all of the research and still disagree. My efforts to discuss these points with the researches were dismissed very lightly. Some of the items that don't make sense to me is the fact they used a copy of John Evan's map of his exploration of Oregon. It could be an accurate copy or it could have been a deliberate misrepresented copy as there was a lack of funds to pay for the publication of Evan's work. The copy was not in Evan's handwriting but looks to be in the handwriting of his wife. I firmly believe that the researcher was on the wrong mountain based on some descriptions used before his work and other published records. There seems to be an effort bent on making John Evans a mismanager of his funds but it fails to account for the fact that the Oregon gold rush was on then and that the cost of things were much higher than had been estimated. There is another character that comes into play who may have substituted the Imilac for the real Port Orford pieces if there truly were any. I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory but it has cost the government lots of money for answering letters, phone calls for people wanting to hunt for the meteorite and there has been countless rescues of people who don't take the rugged terrain seriously. Since my sister and brother in law live in this state I have spent many months in Oregon and have hunted myself. I could go on but it would be better for interested parties to look up my posts as well as that of a college who has investigate this extensively and brings out the points that don't seem to match up. I addressed this extensively on the Meteorite Impact forum when it was in existence. All my best! --AL Mitterling Edwin Thompson wrote: I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner! Cheers, Edwin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Yeah, a Canyon Diablo with whiteout. Regards, Geeg - Original Message - From: Norm Lehrmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Martin, For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona could crawl to Oregon! Maybe this is the beginning of a migration! Regards, Norm http://TektiteSource.comhttp://tektitesource.com/ --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
There have been many rock shops in Oregon over the years that have sold fragments of Canyon Diablo and Odessa iron meteorites. Many of these irons where purchased in Tucson by rock shop owners and Oregon collectors who encountered one of the many old timey meteorite dealers in Tucson like the Schultz brothers or Glenn Huss or HH Nininger or the Sullivans. Lots of mineral dealers also featured the Arizona irons because they were fairly easy to get by stopping at the Meteorite Museum in Sedona on the way to or from The Tucson Show where many rock shop owners go to stop up for the year. Of course there were and still are lots of other ways to come across an old classic iron like Canyon Diablo. This iron featured on Ebay is obviously a transported C.D. Probably a family heirloom from great grandpa's rock collection. It looks like an older surface found specimen with classic Coconino County, northern Arizona Caliche on it just like most of the specimens collected in the early days by Nininger. There are only four meteorites found so far in Oregon; Klamath Falls - iron, Sam's Valley - iron, Salem - stone (witnessed fall) and last but not least, Willamette - iron. Many ofwe Oregon residents have spent years searching for Oregon meteorite number five. Unfortunately, if a piece of this specimen is sent to UCLA or Cascadia Meteorite Laboratory for testing, it will no doubt be classified as yetanother transported Canyon Diablo. I would like for this to be Oregon's next find. Sadly, it looks like another hoax much like the Port Orford meteorite which turned out to be a transported piece of Imilac brought here to generate a bit of excitement and ended up created what is now considered to be the most sought after (and as yet unfound) meteorite in recorded history. For those of you that don't know the story, it is said to pe a pallasite the size of a prairie schooner! Cheers, Edwin From: "GREG LINDH" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Norm Lehrman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on EbayDate: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:07:39 -0700 Yeah, a Canyon Diablo with "whiteout". Regards, Geeg - Original Message - From: Norm Lehrman To: Martin Altmann ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Martin,For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona couldcrawl to Oregon! Maybe this is the beginning of amigration!Regards,Normhttp://TektiteSource.com--- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List,Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565I bid, but not that much.Mike FowlerChicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Martin, For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona could crawl to Oregon! Maybe this is the beginning of a migration! Regards, Norm http://TektiteSource.com --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi Martin I agree that the shape is perfect to be a Canyon Diablo. But the caliche is way to spotty. When a CD is dug out is either covered in white caliche or scaly rust. There are some that have been sticking out of the ground that show that nice patina but I don't think they have the caliche. I guess it could be a CD that was collected 50 years ago and gently cleaned and oiled by being handled over time? On 2/17/07, Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035 www.meteoritefinder.com 530-384-1598 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Hi all, I gotta agree with Mike, that's no Canyon Diablo. I think it looks more like Henbury or Gibeon. I'd never seen Gibeon with caliche till this year when I (once again) bought a few Gibeon individuals. I was surprised to find one with spotty caliche just like the oregon piece. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
I go with Ruben...I have a Gibeon that looks almost identical to this. Matt Morgan Martin Altmann wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay
Yea I think it could be Gibeon, but that does not mean it is not an Oregon meteorite. It just means it resembles a Gibeon. Wouldn't take long to etch a small spot and see if it is a fine octahedrite pattern or not. On 2/17/07, Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I go with Ruben...I have a Gibeon that looks almost identical to this. Matt Morgan Martin Altmann wrote: But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to Oregon?? Buckleboo! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Norm Lehrman Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11 An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Mike Fowler Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay Mike all, That did look like a winner, but too bad about the crumby documentation. The seller didn't seem very interested in providing anything but platitudes. The caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon. Cheers, Norm --- Mike Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay? 23 oz sold for $1026 to peterutas. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200077988565 I bid, but not that much. Mike Fowler Chicago ebay--starsandrocks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller Po Box 314 Gerber Ca 96035 www.meteoritefinder.com 530-384-1598 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
