[meteorite-list] Ensisheim tkw compilation: RESULTS
Dear list, I wish to thank many of you for having provided new or corrected data for my compilation of Ensisheim meteorite masses. Now that the reception of such data had slowed down significantly, I am ready to send you, on request, my provisional compilation list as updated by March 6, 2007. Just feel free to ask for a copy, off list. Note; this list could be found on the Ensisheim web site in a near future). I also made the first evaluations and here are the results with some comments: 1) So far there are 158 different repositories, 73 of them involving official institutes, museums and 85 being in private hands. 2) While the total mass in each repository is accurate (the weights are taken as received), it is difficult to evaluate how many pieces are deposited in each place. When the number of pieces held in a (mostly private) collection is known, this was indicated (if more than one). 3) Except in few cases (Paris, London museums), the precision is within one gram, meaning that the meteorite was probably never weighed with a higher accuracy, even if the mass is small. 4) The presently existing total mass computed so far reaches 69,046.385 grams, which represents 54.37% of the initial mass that is thought to be 127 kg, meaning that more than 45 % are still missing ! (or at least not on the present census). 5) The mass repartition is very inequivalent, thus: - Museums institutes: 67,735.126 g (98.1%) - Private collections: 1,311.259 g (1.9%) (Note that the 53,831 g held at the Regency Palace in Ensisheim represent almost 78% of the big total (Institutes + private)). 6) The largest mass held in a private collection is with Marlin Cilz (416 g, 6th rank), but this (old) number would require confirmation (see below). The smallest mass held in a private collection, 0.05 g, was so far reported by Rhett Bourland (Evansville, IN). The smallest mass held in an official institute (rank 133) is from Black Hills Inst Geol. Res. (SD) and weighs 0.946 g 7) As reported before, my compilation was based on previous repositories or set of data, basically stemming from MetBase (2003), BM catalog (Grady 2000), Ensisheim archives (Schmützer, 1993), more recently completed by data provided by R. Kempton, NEMS (2003), Jörn Koblitz (2007 MetBase edition) and Pierre-Marie Pelé (his own compilation achieved in 2006-2007 that allowed me to precise many old museum/institute old figures). Most of the private repositories come from your own data kindly sent on a regular basis through the list. Some reports came more recently from the subscribers of P.-M. Pelés Encyclopedia of Meteorites, upon specific call. I warmly thank again all of you for this extremely valuable help! 8) My compilation is being increased and improved permanently and your further help is always very much appreciated. Here are some data that Id like to complete and for which I could not contact the owner(s) directly, for various reasons. If anyone can help, this will be more than great. Some specific questions: A) I need the accurate masses held in the following museums, for which I have old data ( 20 years) and/or inaccurate masses (the masses (in grams) I have, are given in parentheses): Berlin (905), Vienna (660), Tübingen (316), US NM (WA) (258), Uppsala (SE) (210), Tempe (AZ) (209), Cambridge (GB) (133), AMS (NY) (111), Göttingen (111), Calcutta (77), Basel (77), Copenhagen (74), Strasbourg (FR) (74), Oxford (GB) (71), Paris Ecole des Mines (38), Freiberg (DE) (28), Harvard (MA) 21), Moscow Geol. Mus (11), Tallin (ES) (11), TCU Fort Worth (only 4.3 g ), St Petersburg (RU) (4) some museum in Holland (???) B) Same question, from the following private collections: Cilz (416), Labenne (88), Haag (85), Horejsi (28.2), Heinlein (26.5), Du Pont coll (8 g still exists ?) C) The repositories are classified by cities (as in MetBase). I need the following data: Is J. Schwade living in Kankakee or in Crystal Lake ? Is Marc Labenne living in Sarasota (FL) or in Tergnion (France) ? Which are the cities and US States where live: - R. C. Cavalieri (USA) ? - J.-M. Daillier (France) ? - P. Pibburns (USA) ? THANKS SO MUCH ONCE MORE ! Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim tkw compilation: RESULTS
Dear Zelimir; I enjoyed reading your post. Just a thought, when is France going to pressure all colletors/collections to give their specimens back? Dave F. Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Dear list, I wish to thank many of you for having provided new or corrected data for my compilation of Ensisheim meteorite masses. Now that the reception of such data had slowed down significantly, I am ready to send you, on request, my provisional compilation list as updated by March 6, 2007. Just feel free to ask for a copy, off list. Note; this list could be found on the Ensisheim web site in a near future). I also made the first evaluations and here are the results with some comments: 1) So far there are 158 different repositories, 73 of them involving official institutes, museums…and 85 being in private hands. 2) While the total mass in each repository is accurate (the weights are taken as received), it is difficult to evaluate how many pieces are deposited in each place. When the number of pieces held in a (mostly private) collection is known, this was indicated (if more than one). 3) Except in few cases (Paris, London…museums), the precision is within one gram, meaning that the meteorite was probably never weighed with a higher accuracy, even if the mass is small. 4) The presently existing total mass computed so far reaches 69,046.385 grams, which represents 54.37% of the initial mass that is thought to be 127 kg, meaning that more than 45 % are still missing ! (or at least not on the present census). 5) The mass repartition is very inequivalent, thus: - Museums institutes: 67,735.126 g (98.1%) - Private collections: 1,311.259 g (1.9%) (Note that the 53,831 g held at the Regency Palace in Ensisheim represent almost 78% of the big total (Institutes + private)). 6) The largest mass held in a private collection is with Marlin Cilz (416 g, 6th rank), but this (old) number would require confirmation (see below). The smallest mass held in a private collection, 0.05 g, was so far reported by Rhett Bourland (Evansville, IN). The smallest mass held in an official institute (rank 133) is from Black Hills Inst Geol. Res. (SD) and weighs 0.946 g 7) As reported before, my compilation was based on previous repositories or set of data, basically stemming from MetBase (2003), BM catalog (Grady 2000), Ensisheim archives (Schmützer, 1993), more recently completed by data provided by R. Kempton, NEMS (2003), Jörn Koblitz (2007 MetBase edition) and Pierre-Marie Pelé (his own compilation achieved in 2006-2007 that allowed me to precise many old museum/institute old figures). Most of the private repositories come from your own data kindly sent on a regular basis through the list. Some reports came more recently from the subscribers of P.-M. Pelé’s “Encyclopedia of Meteorites”, upon specific call. I warmly thank again all of you for this extremely valuable help! 8) My compilation is being increased and improved permanently and your further help is always very much appreciated. Here are some data that I’d like to complete and for which I could not contact the owner(s) directly, for various reasons. If anyone can help, this will be more than great. Some specific questions: A) I need the accurate masses held in the following museums, for which I have old data ( 20 years) and/or inaccurate masses (the masses (in grams) I have, are given in parentheses): Berlin (905), Vienna (660), Tübingen (316), US NM (WA) (258), Uppsala (SE) (210), Tempe (AZ) (209), Cambridge (GB) (133), AMS (NY) (111), Göttingen (111), Calcutta (77), Basel (77), Copenhagen (74), Strasbourg (FR) (74), Oxford (GB) (71), Paris Ecole des Mines (38), Freiberg (DE) (28), Harvard (MA) 21), Moscow Geol. Mus (11), Tallin (ES) (11), TCU Fort Worth (“only” 4.3 g…), St Petersburg (RU) (4)…some museum in Holland (???) B) Same question, from the following private collections: Cilz (416), Labenne (88), Haag (85), Horejsi (28.2), Heinlein (26.5), Du Pont coll (8 g…still exists ?) C) The repositories are classified by cities (as in MetBase). I need the following data: Is J. Schwade living in Kankakee or in Crystal Lake ? Is Marc Labenne living in Sarasota (FL) or in Tergnion (France) ? Which are the cities and US States where live: - R. C. Cavalieri (USA) ? - J.-M. Daillier (France) ? - P. Pibburns (USA) ? THANKS SO MUCH ONCE MORE ! Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim tkw compilation: RESULTS
The same case in the work I am under build on italian meteorite, of the Alfianello, on 228 kg. tkw, only at 70 kg. its know. For not speack of Vago... Matteo --- Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dear list, I wish to thank many of you for having provided new or corrected data for my compilation of Ensisheim meteorite masses. Now that the reception of such data had slowed down significantly, I am ready to send you, on request, my provisional compilation list as updated by March 6, 2007. Just feel free to ask for a copy, off list. Note; this list could be found on the Ensisheim web site in a near future). I also made the first evaluations and here are the results with some comments: 1) So far there are 158 different repositories, 73 of them involving official institutes, museums and 85 being in private hands. 2) While the total mass in each repository is accurate (the weights are taken as received), it is difficult to evaluate how many pieces are deposited in each place. When the number of pieces held in a (mostly private) collection is known, this was indicated (if more than one). 3) Except in few cases (Paris, London museums), the precision is within one gram, meaning that the meteorite was probably never weighed with a higher accuracy, even if the mass is small. 4) The presently existing total mass computed so far reaches 69,046.385 grams, which represents 54.37% of the initial mass that is thought to be 127 kg, meaning that more than 45 % are still missing ! (or at least not on the present census). 5) The mass repartition is very inequivalent, thus: - Museums institutes: 67,735.126 g (98.1%) - Private collections: 1,311.259 g (1.9%) (Note that the 53,831 g held at the Regency Palace in Ensisheim represent almost 78% of the big total (Institutes + private)). 6) The largest mass held in a private collection is with Marlin Cilz (416 g, 6th rank), but this (old) number would require confirmation (see below). The smallest mass held in a private collection, 0.05 g, was so far reported by Rhett Bourland (Evansville, IN). The smallest mass held in an official institute (rank 133) is from Black Hills Inst Geol. Res. (SD) and weighs 0.946 g 7) As reported before, my compilation was based on previous repositories or set of data, basically stemming from MetBase (2003), BM catalog (Grady 2000), Ensisheim archives (Schmützer, 1993), more recently completed by data provided by R. Kempton, NEMS (2003), Jörn Koblitz (2007 MetBase edition) and Pierre-Marie Pelé (his own compilation achieved in 2006-2007 that allowed me to precise many old museum/institute old figures). Most of the private repositories come from your own data kindly sent on a regular basis through the list. Some reports came more recently from the subscribers of P.-M. Pelés Encyclopedia of Meteorites, upon specific call. I warmly thank again all of you for this extremely valuable help! 8) My compilation is being increased and improved permanently and your further help is always very much appreciated. Here are some data that Id like to complete and for which I could not contact the owner(s) directly, for various reasons. If anyone can help, this will be more than great. Some specific questions: A) I need the accurate masses held in the following museums, for which I have old data ( 20 years) and/or inaccurate masses (the masses (in grams) I have, are given in parentheses): Berlin (905), Vienna (660), Tübingen (316), US NM (WA) (258), Uppsala (SE) (210), Tempe (AZ) (209), Cambridge (GB) (133), AMS (NY) (111), Göttingen (111), Calcutta (77), Basel (77), Copenhagen (74), Strasbourg (FR) (74), Oxford (GB) (71), Paris Ecole des Mines (38), Freiberg (DE) (28), Harvard (MA) 21), Moscow Geol. Mus (11), Tallin (ES) (11), TCU Fort Worth (only 4.3 g ), St Petersburg (RU) (4) some museum in Holland (???) B) Same question, from the following private collections: Cilz (416), Labenne (88), Haag (85), Horejsi (28.2), Heinlein (26.5), Du Pont coll (8 g still exists ?) C) The repositories are classified by cities (as in MetBase). I need the following data: Is J. Schwade living in Kankakee or in Crystal Lake ? Is Marc Labenne living in Sarasota (FL) or in Tergnion (France) ? Which are the cities and US States where live: - R. C. Cavalieri (USA) ? - J.-M. Daillier (France) ? - P. Pibburns (USA) ? THANKS SO MUCH ONCE MORE ! Best wishes, Zelimir Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina
