Re: [meteorite-list] Field work on Campo de Cielo

2008-01-18 Thread drtanuki
Dear List,
  Here is some additional information for those that
were unaware of the Cambridge Conference on meteorite
impacts-Historic and Prehistoric myths and folklore.

  There is some very interesting reading on this
website below.

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc102898.html


Thank you Ed, I found the link for the Ainu myth on
the internet.  I appreciate your alerting me to this
myth.  Best Regards!



Link to Cambridge Conference on Meteorite Impacts
relating to human cultures.

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc102898.html

Dirk Ross...Tokyo






--- E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Dirk, all - 
 
 Thanks for this valuable link. Since Benny's taken
 the
 Cambridge Conference over to global warming
 scepticism, impact researchers have lacked a global
 clearing house 
 for immediate information exchange. If you think
 that
 I'm bitter about this, you'd be right - there's
 nothing like loosing a key tool along with a stroke.
 
 While the Brazilian team's English is certainly
 better
 than my Portugese, their translation is still rough.
 
 (I wish I were on a beach in Brazil sorting it out
 for
 them, instead of here in Illinois with a frozen car.
 By the way, your own work in English is formidable.)
 
 
 Masse has been published now, and I assume that his
 papers are already in your bibliography.
 
 I myself brought up the constellation jaguar here
 on
 the meteorite list about 5 years ago. The city of
 Cuzco is laid out in the shape of a jaguar, and this
 is not incidental. If I remember correctly Harold
 Osborne was working through Andean astronomical
 systems, though I have not seen his book yet.
 
 One important work to be done at Campo de Cielo will
 be to look for the products of neutron and proton
 release.  The impact may not have been massive
 enough
 for that to have happened, but it will need to be
 checked someday.
 
 The absolute date for the Campo de Cielo impact is 
 17 February, 2325. It was observed by the Zoque
 (olmec) in Central America. We know this from the
 Maya
 inscriptions, and because the Thompson correlation
 has
 been confirmed since I published, as the absolute
 date
 for the Rio Cuarto impacts: 
 25 October, 2,360 BCE has been confirmed by tree
 ring
 studies. For an introduction, see my book Man and
 Impact in the Americas, pages 95-115.
 
 Why is this date important to us now? I still think
 that there are meteoritic streams which the Earth
 encounters every so often, though working through
 the
 orbital mechanics of this is well beyond me now.
 Elemental matches between different dated meteorite
 falls may be of great aide in sorting this out.
 
 I had intended to write up some Cherokee meteorite
 lore for Meteorite magazine, but was distracted by
 the
 attack on Hibben's observations. I also wanted to
 work
 through the Casa Grande materials, but was
 distracted
 from this as well.
 
 Once again, thanks for the link. By the way, did you
 ever see the Ainu impact account which I recovered?
 It
 should be in the Cambridge Conference Archives at
 the
 University of Georgia.
 
 E.P. Grondine
 Man and Impact in the Americas
 
 PS - your font size showed up too big in firefox.
 
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  Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:45:32 -0800 (PST)
  From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del
  Cielo:Impact on the
  Indian  Culture
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  Dear List,
Below is an article about the Campo del Ceilo
  impact
  related to:
  Meteorites and Meteor Impact in Archaeology,
  Anthropology, Ethnography: Folklore, Language, and
  Culture as Evidence- A Bibliography in
 Contruction.
  
  ...if you wish to participate please contact me
  drtanukiATyahoo.com
  
  Page Created: 20JAN08 
 
 
 
  


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[meteorite-list] Field work on Campo de Cielo

2008-01-18 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi Dirk, all - 

Thanks for this valuable link. Since Benny's taken the
Cambridge Conference over to global warming
scepticism, impact researchers have lacked a global
clearing house 
for immediate information exchange. If you think that
I'm bitter about this, you'd be right - there's
nothing like loosing a key tool along with a stroke.

While the Brazilian team's English is certainly better
than my Portugese, their translation is still rough. 
(I wish I were on a beach in Brazil sorting it out for
them, instead of here in Illinois with a frozen car.
By the way, your own work in English is formidable.) 

Masse has been published now, and I assume that his
papers are already in your bibliography.

I myself brought up the constellation jaguar here on
the meteorite list about 5 years ago. The city of
Cuzco is laid out in the shape of a jaguar, and this
is not incidental. If I remember correctly Harold
Osborne was working through Andean astronomical
systems, though I have not seen his book yet.

One important work to be done at Campo de Cielo will
be to look for the products of neutron and proton
release.  The impact may not have been massive enough
for that to have happened, but it will need to be
checked someday.

The absolute date for the Campo de Cielo impact is 
17 February, 2325. It was observed by the Zoque
(olmec) in Central America. We know this from the Maya
inscriptions, and because the Thompson correlation has
been confirmed since I published, as the absolute date
for the Rio Cuarto impacts: 
25 October, 2,360 BCE has been confirmed by tree ring
studies. For an introduction, see my book Man and
Impact in the Americas, pages 95-115.

Why is this date important to us now? I still think
that there are meteoritic streams which the Earth
encounters every so often, though working through the
orbital mechanics of this is well beyond me now.
Elemental matches between different dated meteorite
falls may be of great aide in sorting this out.

I had intended to write up some Cherokee meteorite
lore for Meteorite magazine, but was distracted by the
attack on Hibben's observations. I also wanted to work
through the Casa Grande materials, but was distracted
from this as well.

Once again, thanks for the link. By the way, did you
ever see the Ainu impact account which I recovered? It
should be in the Cambridge Conference Archives at the
University of Georgia.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

PS - your font size showed up too big in firefox.

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 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:45:32 -0800 (PST)
 From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of Campo del
 Cielo:Impact on the
   Indian  Culture
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 Dear List,
   Below is an article about the Campo del Ceilo
 impact
 related to:
 Meteorites and Meteor Impact in Archaeology,
 Anthropology, Ethnography: Folklore, Language, and
 Culture as Evidence- A Bibliography in Contruction.
 
 ...if you wish to participate please contact me
 drtanukiATyahoo.com
 
 Page Created: 20JAN08 



  

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