Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court
Very interesting ...but also very silly. Btw. I can't understand that meteorites are set under laws for artifacts or are referred to as artifact. Latin ars,-tis means technique, the art, skill And factum means made. An artifact is - sorry for the tautology, but it's the same word - an artificially made object. A man-made object. I would feel somewhat unwell, to be sentenced by a judge, treated by a doctor, administered by a clerk, who doesn't even know such simple things. And the publications of a scientist or curator, who pleads for meteorites being artifacts or falling under the laws of artifacts, well - I wouldn't read them, if he or her in our modern times isn't aware, where meteorites stem from and if he or her thinks, they must be artificial. I would think that person would be an ufologist or a mystic. same with meteorites being antiques. Ouch Martin - Original Message - From: meteorh...@aol.com To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court List, If declared by the judge as so, would this mean meteorites found on top of the ground, and not imbeded into the ground on federal lands would now not belong to landowner (U.S. Govt)? I wonder what the Smithsonian's stance is on this issue will be when their representatives are called if the case goes to court? Very interesting. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court
Yeah it's a pretty riduculous argument when you think about it. If it didn't touch/imbed itself in the ground??? C'mon! How about we skydive onto the roof of the White House and see how they feel about that! Hey... we wouldn't imbed ourselves in the ground! ;-) Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: meteorh...@aol.com To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court List, If declared by the judge as so, would this mean meteorites found on top of the ground, and not imbeded into the ground on federal lands would now not belong to landowner (U.S. Govt)? I wonder what the Smithsonian's stance is on this issue will be when their representatives are called if the case goes to court? Very interesting. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:43:17 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court List: I'm curious how this will turn out; may set a precedent. For the owner of the land to own the meteorite, it has to imbed itself into the land or building... H We'll see... http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/21/29000.htm Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court By RYAN ABBOTT FAIRFAX, Va. (CN) - A family medical practice has sued its landlord to determine who owns the palm-sized meteorite that crashed through the building's roof into an examination room. The doctors say the meteorite is in safekeeping at the Smithsonian Institutions, which offered $5,000 for the space rock, which the doctors want to donate for relief work in Haiti. Williamsburg Square Family Practice sued its landlord, Mutlu Property Management and several members of the Mutlu family, in Fairfax County Court. The doctors claim that the Mutlus swooped in and claimed ownership of the meteorite after the incident garnered local publicity. The doctors say they lease the office suite from the Mutlu family and are in exclusive possession of that property during [their] lease term. The meteorite did not imbed itself in the land or building, and thus did not become a part of the land or fixture, the doctors point out. The meteorite crashed into an examination in the doctors' suite at 5:45 p.m. on Jan. 18 this year. No one was in the room when the meteorite broke through the ceiling and came to rest in pieces on the floor, and nobody was hurt. The doctors say that Erol Mutlu initially agreed to donate the rock to the Smithsonian for preservation and study. Then the Mutlus changed their mind, said they intended to pick up the meteorite, and objected to its being handed over to the Smithsonian, according to the complaint. The doctors office says that if the court declares it the owner of the historical artifact, it will stay with the Smithsonian, and the money will go to the Haitian relief effort of Doctors Without Borders. The Practice seeks declaratory judgment. It is represented by Keith Marino with Arent Fox. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court
List: I'm curious how this will turn out; may set a precedent. For the owner of the land to own the meteorite, it has to imbed itself into the land or building... H We'll see... http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/21/29000.htm Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court By RYAN ABBOTT FAIRFAX, Va. (CN) - A family medical practice has sued its landlord to determine who owns the palm-sized meteorite that crashed through the building's roof into an examination room. The doctors say the meteorite is in safekeeping at the Smithsonian Institutions, which offered $5,000 for the space rock, which the doctors want to donate for relief work in Haiti. Williamsburg Square Family Practice sued its landlord, Mutlu Property Management and several members of the Mutlu family, in Fairfax County Court. The doctors claim that the Mutlus swooped in and claimed ownership of the meteorite after the incident garnered local publicity. The doctors say they lease the office suite from the Mutlu family and are in exclusive possession of that property during [their] lease term. The meteorite did not imbed itself in the land or building, and thus did not become a part of the land or fixture, the doctors point out. The meteorite crashed into an examination in the doctors' suite at 5:45 p.m. on Jan. 18 this year. No one was in the room when the meteorite broke through the ceiling and came to rest in pieces on the floor, and nobody was hurt. The doctors say that Erol Mutlu initially agreed to donate the rock to the Smithsonian for preservation and study. Then the Mutlus changed their mind, said they intended to pick up the meteorite, and objected to its being handed over to the Smithsonian, according to the complaint. The doctors office says that if the court declares it the owner of the historical artifact, it will stay with the Smithsonian, and the money will go to the Haitian relief effort of Doctors Without Borders. The Practice seeks declaratory judgment. It is represented by Keith Marino with Arent Fox. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court
My opinion, by busting through the roof, it did more then imbed itself into the the building. It put a hole in it. Case closed. Who paid for the damage that was caused? the land owner or doctors? Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 3:43 PM List: I'm curious how this will turn out; may set a precedent. For the owner of the land to own the meteorite, it has to imbed itself into the land or building... H We'll see... http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/21/29000.htm Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court By RYAN ABBOTT FAIRFAX, Va. (CN) - A family medical practice has sued its landlord to determine who owns the palm-sized meteorite that crashed through the building's roof into an examination room. The doctors say the meteorite is in safekeeping at the Smithsonian Institutions, which offered $5,000 for the space rock, which the doctors want to donate for relief work in Haiti. Williamsburg Square Family Practice sued its landlord, Mutlu Property Management and several members of the Mutlu family, in Fairfax County Court. The doctors claim that the Mutlus swooped in and claimed ownership of the meteorite after the incident garnered local publicity. The doctors say they lease the office suite from the Mutlu family and are in exclusive possession of that property during [their] lease term. The meteorite did not imbed itself in the land or building, and thus did not become a part of the land or fixture, the doctors point out. The meteorite crashed into an examination in the doctors' suite at 5:45 p.m. on Jan. 18 this year. No one was in the room when the meteorite broke through the ceiling and came to rest in pieces on the floor, and nobody was hurt. The doctors say that Erol Mutlu initially agreed to donate the rock to the Smithsonian for preservation and study. Then the Mutlus changed their mind, said they intended to pick up the meteorite, and objected to its being handed over to the Smithsonian, according to the complaint. The doctors office says that if the court declares it the owner of the historical artifact, it will stay with the Smithsonian, and the money will go to the Haitian relief effort of Doctors Without Borders. The Practice seeks declaratory judgment. It is represented by Keith Marino with Arent Fox. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court
List, If declared by the judge as so, would this mean meteorites found on top of the ground, and not imbeded into the ground on federal lands would now not belong to landowner (U.S. Govt)? I wonder what the Smithsonian's stance is on this issue will be when their representatives are called if the case goes to court? Very interesting. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:43:17 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court List: I'm curious how this will turn out; may set a precedent. For the owner of the land to own the meteorite, it has to imbed itself into the land or building... H We'll see... http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/07/21/29000.htm Fight Over Meteorite Crashes Into Court By RYAN ABBOTT FAIRFAX, Va. (CN) - A family medical practice has sued its landlord to determine who owns the palm-sized meteorite that crashed through the building's roof into an examination room. The doctors say the meteorite is in safekeeping at the Smithsonian Institutions, which offered $5,000 for the space rock, which the doctors want to donate for relief work in Haiti. Williamsburg Square Family Practice sued its landlord, Mutlu Property Management and several members of the Mutlu family, in Fairfax County Court. The doctors claim that the Mutlus swooped in and claimed ownership of the meteorite after the incident garnered local publicity. The doctors say they lease the office suite from the Mutlu family and are in exclusive possession of that property during [their] lease term. The meteorite did not imbed itself in the land or building, and thus did not become a part of the land or fixture, the doctors point out. The meteorite crashed into an examination in the doctors' suite at 5:45 p.m. on Jan. 18 this year. No one was in the room when the meteorite broke through the ceiling and came to rest in pieces on the floor, and nobody was hurt. The doctors say that Erol Mutlu initially agreed to donate the rock to the Smithsonian for preservation and study. Then the Mutlus changed their mind, said they intended to pick up the meteorite, and objected to its being handed over to the Smithsonian, according to the complaint. The doctors office says that if the court declares it the owner of the historical artifact, it will stay with the Smithsonian, and the money will go to the Haitian relief effort of Doctors Without Borders. The Practice seeks declaratory judgment. It is represented by Keith Marino with Arent Fox. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
