Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
N-A-A-A-H?! people actually SHILL bid on ebay? surely you jest?! GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Norm, Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I'm understanding the process better because of those who took the time to actually explain EBAY to me. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Norm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Greg, You are not understanding the bidding process. Suppose you bid $10. Then I bid $100. I am am shown as having bid $11. You then bid $12. I am immediately shown as bidding $13. You then bid $14, I am automatically shown as having bid $15. I have not made another bid. This is all totally automatic until we get to my initial maximum ($100). When you bid $101, I will finally have to enter a new bid, for the first time, to keep in the race. Now I bid $150. I am shown as bidding $102. etc, etc. Cheers, Norm --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Daniel, I've gotten a number of reasoned answers (though not from everyone) and to those who offered true help, like yourself, I say thanks. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Daniel Svensson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? hello, I think I might have an explanation: if there is a secret reserve you can raise your bid several times without anyone else bidding until you reach the limit of the secret reserve. In this case it will look like someone is bidding with themselfes. Why are people bidding before the last 30 seconds? Well this bidding is probably often raising the final price, but I see at least some possible reasons: 1. The person cannot bid at end of auction for practical reasons 2. They dont want to win, but want to raise the final price (for some reason) 3. It is fun! I hope this can be helpfull. /Daniel Svensson Hi Darren, I appreciate the link that you gave me which explains the bidding system on EBAY. I'll have to go back and check out EBAY more carefully. Perhaps I thought this has occurred and maybe I was wrong. I'll go and take a better look at it. Thanks for not shooting me and for giving a kind and thoughtful reply. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:04:05 -0700, you wrote: My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. It is not possible for someone-- with nobody else bidding against him-- to in any way change the price from the opening price (in a non-reserve auction). Let's say there is an item with a starting bid of 99 cents. Only one person bids on it. He could modify his bid 1500 times and the auction price isn't going to go above 99 cents if nobody is bidding against him. And, even after the close of the auction, you'll never see what his maximum bid price was, only what the auction closed at. What you are describing doesn't happen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Greg, can you supply an ebay listing number where this has occurred? It would help clarify your question. Ebay introduced a new policy several months ago that does have a very negative impact on bidding, IMHO. On auctions that go over $200 bidders can no longer see who they are bidding against. Ebay replaces user IDs with bidder 1, bidder 2, etc. This makes it next to impossible to detect shill bidding. They justify this with a bunch of crap about protecting the ebay community. I found it very useful to know who the competition was for a particular item and it was educational to look at the bidders won-auction histories. Sometimes researching this led to new sellers of interest. No more. I wrote several emails to ebay about this and got the standard party-line canned-response about how ebay is protecting the community from phishing. They didn't bother to respond to my last missile. When you think about if from ebay's point of view, they are most interested in keeping sellers happy and driving up prices because that's how they make money. They pay lip service to bidders by promising honest auctions and providing a process for dispute resolution but after a certain point it becomes a money loser for them. Their resolution process is akin to dealing with the IRS. As a bidder, you have to know what your top number is and bid it. Doesn't really matter if you bid it now or bid it later because ebay will adjust your bid to go only as high as it needs to. Paul Swartz To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Paul, I've gotten a lot of useful information from other members on the List. I think I understand EBAY a lot more now. I still remember seeing bidding that is hard for me to explain. If it happens again, I'll e-mail the item number to you and perhaps there will be a good and logical reason for it. Thanks for your help. Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Greg, can you supply an ebay listing number where this has occurred? It would help clarify your question. Ebay introduced a new policy several months ago that does have a very negative impact on bidding, IMHO. On auctions that go over $200 bidders can no longer see who they are bidding against. Ebay replaces user IDs with bidder 1, bidder 2, etc. This makes it next to impossible to detect shill bidding. They justify this with a bunch of crap about protecting the ebay community. I found it very useful to know who the competition was for a particular item and it was educational to look at the bidders won-auction histories. Sometimes researching this led to new sellers of interest. No more. I wrote several emails to ebay about this and got the standard party-line canned-response about how ebay is protecting the community from phishing. They didn't bother to respond to my last missile. When you think about if from ebay's point of view, they are most interested in keeping sellers happy and driving up prices because that's how they make money. They pay lip service to bidders by promising honest auctions and providing a process for dispute resolution but after a certain point it becomes a money loser for them. Their resolution process is akin to dealing with the IRS. As a bidder, you have to know what your top number is and bid it. Doesn't really matter if you bid it now or bid it later because ebay will adjust your bid to go only as high as it needs to. Paul Swartz To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hello Greg; I think one of the other list members was close to solving the problem for you. RESERVE, I know i have wanted to seriously bid an item that had a reserve price and to get to the reserve without going over what i could afford i would bid in 10.00 increments until i reached the reserve or quit when i came to an amount i didn't want to exceed. This may be what you are seeing on ebay. Hope this helps;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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NO ONE would ever shill bid on ebay, would they? ebay bidding fixed? - surely you jest? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:42:58 EDTHello Greg;I think one of the other list members was close to solving the problem foryou. RESERVE, I know i have wanted to seriously bid an item that had a reserveprice and to get to the reserve without going over what i could afford iwould bid in 10.00 increments until i reached the reserve or quit when i came toan amount i didn't want to exceed.This may be what you are seeing on ebay.Hope this helps;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It is not bid fixing, it is proxy bidding. Let's say you have an item, a bidder puts in a bid of $100.00 max bid. The item is currently at $45.00 and they are high bidder, then you come along at the last minute and put in a bid of $80.00., then the ebay proxy bid automatically bids up to the $80.00. You must then bid over their $100.00 bid to win. It does not auctomatically place little bids, it goes by the max bid. Mike Farmer I hav been buying and selling on ebay since 1995. --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Greg and others, Your suspect bidder may have a different bidding strategy than you. Not everyone can be available to bid a the last seconds of an auction and not everyone uses bidding software. Some people bid up their own bids several times to increase the number of bids to reduce the number of potential bidders. Each strategy has its advantage and its dis-advantage; if you are really wanting something you have to outbid other bidders otherwise you don`t win the auction. Best at eBay, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dave, First you called me silly and said that, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. Then when I pointed out the fallacious reasoning behind your post, you came out and admitted that you are a seller (which is no crime in my eyes) and that I shouldn't be such a tight ass. Nice talk, Dave. Really nice! I admit that I don't know the pressures of being a seller, but just because you're a seller doesn't give you the right to do an uncharitable, heavy handed, ad hominem attack on me. I raised a legitimate question and instead of providing a cogent answer, you just called me names and threw insults my way. In all the answers that I've read so far, I still haven't found one that explains why someone would bid numerous times in a row with *no one else bidding. What I've noticed is the person who does the bidding up over and over again *never wins the item*. They always drop out. Again: Why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? As a seller, those that wait until the last minute to bid should be shot, and those that up their bids a numberof times keep us in business..you like to buy meteorites, don't be such a tight ass with your bidding. When we go out of business from tight asses, you will not have the selection now enjoyed. The no apparent reason is not of your concern, just the highest bid..bid high or stay home. Learn business then whine about upping bids. Like you said, your new. Practice selling for a while and your opinion will change! Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
Hi Mike, I'd like to start by saying I met you at the Tucson show and I know of your meteorite hunting exploits and I have a lot of respect for you. My question still has not seemed to be answered. My concern is about someone who bids over and over with no apparent competition. They single handedly raise the price from $10.00 to $30.00 to $60.00 to $80.00, etc. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, despite Dave's overly sensitive and rude comments to me . I'm simply describing a phenomenon on EBAY (which I'm new to) that makes absolutely *no sense* to me. If I get a good answer to my question from people on this forum, great. If I don't, I won't melt. Regards, Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? It is not bid fixing, it is proxy bidding. Let's say you have an item, a bidder puts in a bid of $100.00 max bid. The item is currently at $45.00 and they are high bidder, then you come along at the last minute and put in a bid of $80.00., then the ebay proxy bid automatically bids up to the $80.00. You must then bid over their $100.00 bid to win. It does not auctomatically place little bids, it goes by the max bid. Mike Farmer I hav been buying and selling on ebay since 1995. --- GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, I don't think my analysis of the EBAY situation is silly at all. There is no reason to artificially up the price of an item. What I do is wait until the last 30 seconds or so and then pop in and place a bid. I have always won, but unfortunately I pay a higher price than necessary because someone has bid over and over again *for no apparent reason*. They're not scaring anyone away by doing this. They just make the item cost a ton more. Again, I ask why? Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Dave Freeman mjwy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: GREG LINDH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed? Don't be so silly, the person is raising their bid so that if you bid, you won't out bid them. If you want to win the auction, you have to bid higher than their bid. For fun, start out and bid very low, bid again, bid four or five times to what is your maximum bid. It will let other bidders THINK you are serious about winning...ORTHAT other bidders may think you are fixing your bid Dave F. GREG LINDH wrote: To all, I am new to EBAY and to meteorite collecting. I have purchased 13 meteorites total. I've gotten most of them by bidding on EBAY. I've noticed that many times someone will bid for an item and continually bid the item up even though nobody is bidding against them. They may start out by bidding $10.00 for an item, then the same person raises the price to $30.00, then $50.00, then $80.00, etc., etc. They artificially and unnecessarily raise the price so that the item finally sells for a *much* higher price than it would have gone for if this hadn't been done. Either the bidder is a moron or he is working with the seller to up the price. Can anyone explain this phenomenon to me? Greg Lindh __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is EBAY bidding fixed?
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