Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"
Hi Thomas, Well said! I remember my most prized "marble" from my childhood was a "steel boulder" I found. I used to literally break everyone else's marbles with my "big guy" and I was the terror of the neighborhood. It was many years later when I learned that my "steel boulder" was actually a giant ball bearing. Hope none of my former playmates are list members... -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.comWalter Branch, Ph.D.Branch MeteoritesPO Box 60492Savannah, GA 31420 - Original Message - From: Thomas Webb To: David Freeman Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too" Hi Dave and others, This is neither here nor there but have any of you checked the price of antique marbles lately?! My opinion is that all meteorites (and marbles) have some value, some more than others of course. Many of the same factors enter into it such as rarity, quality, color, etc. I like my small slice of Governador Valadares but visually and esthetically my NWA 869 slices are standouts! I also like some of the rare sulphide marbles but really not as much as the old "aggie" I used for a shooter as a boy. No one would give me a dollar for it, but to me it has much value. So, let's treat all meteorites with the respect due them and most importantly, each other. I don't think the new member, Bernd, really meant to convey what came across to some list members, but the fact that it did, along with this apology and clarification is an example of how this list can work for the good of all. Dave, thanks for your post. My best, Thomas David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy;I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one (myself), well, maybe two.I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words "cheap" and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business. This attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill meteorites" as not nearly as degrading.Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing.I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data could have the opportunity to be collected. Even stray puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and "junk" associations is not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added title of "Lunar" and "Martian" meteorites. I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, lack of.Junk in, junk outI still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anythi
Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"
Hi Dave and others, This is neither here nor there but have any of you checked the price of antique marbles lately?! My opinion is that all meteorites (and marbles) have some value, some more than others of course. Many of the same factors enter into it such as rarity, quality, color, etc. I like my small slice of Governador Valadares but visually and esthetically my NWA 869 slices are standouts! I also like some of the rare sulphide marbles but really not as much as the old "aggie" I used for a shooter as a boy. No one would give me a dollar for it, but to me it has much value. So, let's treat all meteorites with the respect due them and most importantly, each other. I don't think the new member, Bernd, really meant to convey what came across to some list members, but the fact that it did, along with this apology and clarification is an example of how this list can work for the good of all. Dave, thanks for your post. My best, Thomas David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy;I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one (myself), well, maybe two.I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words "cheap" and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business. This attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill meteorites" as not nearly as degrading.Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing.I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data could have the opportunity to be collected. Even stray puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and "junk" associations is not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added title of "Lunar" and "Martian" meteorites. I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, lack of.Junk in, junk outI still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way.A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any proposed transaction.Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse is true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase.Sincerely,Dave Freeman__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
RE: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"
I agree. Greg Redfern 2003 JPL NASA Solar System Ambassador http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ambassador/index.html International Meteorite Collectors Association #5781 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org/ Member Meteoritical Society http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Gwilliam Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 12:22 PM To: David Freeman; meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too" Nicely put Brother Freeman...you're a class act. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:09 AM 10/4/03 -0600, David Freeman wrote: >Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy; >I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the >option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor >lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one >(myself), well, maybe two. >I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words "cheap" >and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an >offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low blow to the >meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually >looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the >hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to >have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business.This >attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, >regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term "inexpensively >priced", or even "affordable run of the mill meteorites" as not nearly as >degrading. >Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern >polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house >so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's >value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would >not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing. > >I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in reference >to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban >on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data >could have the opportunity to be collected.Even stray puppies need >love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the >abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and "junk" associations is >not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in >many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will >muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had >purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable >and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, >some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added >title of "Lunar" and "Martian" meteorites. >I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert >meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking >dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" >anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, >lack of. > >Junk in, junk out > >I still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything >should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my >opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way. >A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value >market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any >proposed transaction. >Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse is >true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase. > >Sincerely, >Dave Freeman > > > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"
Nicely put Brother Freeman...you're a class act. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:09 AM 10/4/03 -0600, David Freeman wrote: Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy; I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one (myself), well, maybe two. I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words "cheap" and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business.This attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill meteorites" as not nearly as degrading. Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing. I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data could have the opportunity to be collected.Even stray puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and "junk" associations is not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added title of "Lunar" and "Martian" meteorites. I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, lack of. Junk in, junk out I still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way. A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any proposed transaction. Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse is true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase. Sincerely, Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Junk in, Junk out, or "No-named Orphan Step Children need love too"
Dear List, Bernd, Dean Bessy; I feel the need to apologize for offering to another "collector" the option of purchasing marbles as an alternative to buying even lessor lessor-priced meteorites. I was wrong...at least in the eyes of one (myself), well, maybe two. I seemed to feel that another list respondents use of the words "cheap" and "junk" in referring to NWA's and his asking for what seemed to be an offer to purchase/offer "nothing" for "something" was a low blow to the meteorite hunters and collectors of the world. If NWA's are continually looked upon by some as nothing less than clutter, why do so many in the hot deserts even go out to search? We have been blessed as collectors to have been provided with this abundance to our hobby and business.This attitude of "junk" and "cheap" is a blight to our love of ALL meteorites, regardless of origin or pedigree status. I see the term "inexpensively priced", or even "affordable run of the mill meteorites" as not nearly as degrading. Is it the meteorite's choice in falling to hot sands or on a southern polar ice cap? What meteorite would wish to impact a car, or even a house so it could be cherished more? Bah! If any meteorite is not worth it's value, then why ask for any value at all? I too love yard sales but would not insult a proprietor by offering to take something of value for nothing. I have, once coined the phrase "no-named orphan step child" in reference to unclassified NWA's. At one time, I even publicly endorsed a self ban on purchasing any meteorite with out a real home until more field data could have the opportunity to be collected.Even stray puppies need love and sustenance. The seemingly (and not true) perception of the abundant / infinite NWA's with (dirt) "cheap" and "junk" associations is not reality, and that perception is, and continues to be, further pain in many circles. One day, in the future, those with a sence of humor will muse at this time and hopefully have pause for a chuckle (if they had purchased at fair value those no-named orphan step children, reasonable and affordably priced stellar visitors of the hot sand deserts). Indeed, some NWA's come in a number of packages, some being under the value added title of "Lunar" and "Martian" meteorites. I would ask of those who would like to aquire NWA's and other hot desert meteorites with less than debutante status to refrain from asking dealers publicly to supply them with a source for "cheap" and "junk" anything, especially meteorites, despite their status...or in this case, lack of. Junk in, junk out I still do feel that those wanting to get "cheap" or "junk" anything should alter their direction to collecting marbles as they have in my opinion, lost a few of their own somewhere along the way. A buyers willingness to actively participate in an honest and fair value market exchange directly reflects up on that persons integrity in any proposed transaction. Not only does the seller know the value of his wares but the reverse is true also, the buyer knows the value of what he wishes to purchase. Sincerely, Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
