Re: [meteorite-list] LA 002 - Whatz all the fuss?
I can relate to this dilemma... When I found the fantastic 20.7 kilo Glorieta pallasite I even as I dug it up had to consider the possibility that it would be cut. And this vexed me greatly. Also, I had entered into previously, and long before this find, an agreement with my friend Darryl Pitt that he would have first refusal over all of the "largest" of my finds. And he had purchased my largest one a few years previous to this find, and thus secured the right to refusal for the next. (This same offer was extended to several other meteorite dealers, and they refused-- but Darryl picked it up) When the time came for the transaction, Darryl was up front in telling me that the meteorite would be cut, and when the deed was done-- I cried--- no joking--- I broke down in tears-- for this was the finest most amazing pallasite that I had ever found. And should I live another 30 years, searching every day for another it is doubtful that I will find another like it. But--- in the years since I have receieved acclaim, and thanks from meteorite collectors and curators world wide for the spectacular slices that Darryl prepaired from this main mass. And thousands of people seeing these remarkable slices have a greater appreciation of it than would have been should the mass been preserved in its entirety. In life things are transient... everything has a beginning and an end. Nothing stays the same. But each moment is preserved in time and exists in a frame of of the time that the scheme of the universe encompases. Within my mind, that moment of discover remains-- the mass in its entirety is still there, the joy of its find, the exilleration that I derived from it after the hard search. It is a private thing. Hard to convey. And that frame of time, I will never forget. But after the cutting and distribution, others now enjoy, and study the fruit of my labors. And that is part of the evolution of the thing. I have no slices of this remarkable meteorite. But the memory of it as I found it remains. Steve Schoner. On Wed, 24 July 2002, Robert Verish wrote > > Didn't catch the LA 002 thread until late. Tonight > was spent in preparation for our presentation at UCLA > for tomorrow morning's Session of the 65th Annual > Meeting of the Meteoritical Society. Nick Gessler, > (along with Rob Matson and myself) will be presenting > what signifies as being our combined, past 3 years of > meteorite recovery efforts in the Southwestern U.S. > > So, obviously I have no intention of entering into a > lengthy discussion about LA 002, right now. > > But in regards to Michael Bloods post about the > preservation of LA 002 - YES, I did publicly express > my desires to not have LA 002 cut (for ESTHETIC > reasons), but this is an evolving issue, and for > anyone who progresses within their study of > meteorites, there comes a time "when a corner is > turned" and comes the realization that meteorites > exist in order to be cut! That meteorites made the > long journey to our planet for the explicit purpose > that they be cut, not only so that they can be > analyzed, but in order that their interior beauty can > be exposed. > > YES, I know. I have taken some List members to task > for the their "devout" attitudes towards "never" > cutting their favorite meteorite "never for ANY > reason", especially when that attitude is taken to the > point of alienating researchers and risking our > tenuous relationship with them. Having taken that > position, how then can I take the attitude that LA 002 > should never again undergo the blade? > > No longer do I presume to withhold from researchers > and the science of meteoritics THAT which would > advance our understanding of Mars, our own planet, and > the Solar System. Certainly, not for the reason that > "it's too beautiful". Certainly, not in this age of > advancing technology, now that we can core and extract > samples sufficiently large enough for analysis, yet > small enough that a meteorites form is not > compromised. (Besides, I've seen the museum's exact > replica of LA 002. It is a PERFECT replica! Now, > THAT is a real work of art that needs preservation. > In addition, I have the mold from which more replicas > can be made.;-) > > But if you don't agree with my philosophy about > cutting meteorites, and if you are such a > preservationist that you feel obliged to rescue LA 002 > (for sure, the Museum had their chance but they passed > in favor of much needed renovations), then feel free > to make me an offer. There is no barrier or > restriction that would prevent you from doing just > that - make me an offer for LA 002. I will > respectfully consider all legitimate offers. But > before I accept any offer, I will make good on my > promise to Michael Casper, that "in consideration of > his keeping of his word and of the faithful execution > of all the many aspects involved in the sale of LA > 001", that I would extend to him the opportunity to,
Re: [meteorite-list] LA 002 - Whatz all the fuss?
LA 002 is currently on display at the Natural History Museum in Los Angeles. I first saw the LA meteorites in December 1999 when Bob happily brought them by shortly after UCLA identified them as Mars meteorites. Here are more details: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/la.html It was a thrill to hold both the main masses of LA 001 and LA 002 at the same time. Now looking back, it turns out not too many people had that opportunity as LA 001 was later sold and cut up. As Roman mentioned, my photo of LA 002 is in the 2003 Meteorite Calendar. Bob also brought LA 002 to the JPL Open House as we setup a Mars meteorite booth the past couple of years (alas, this year's Open House is cancelled). LA 002 has the classic oriented shape, which will be preserved forever in the casts made. It is one meteorite I've grown attached to. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LA 002 - Whatz all the fuss?
Thank you Mr. Verish. I hereby state that I want to buy LA 002. Regards, Michael Casper - Original Message - From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:53 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LA 002 - Whatz all the fuss? > Didn't catch the LA 002 thread until late. Tonight > was spent in preparation for our presentation at UCLA > for tomorrow morning's Session of the 65th Annual > Meeting of the Meteoritical Society. Nick Gessler, > (along with Rob Matson and myself) will be presenting > what signifies as being our combined, past 3 years of > meteorite recovery efforts in the Southwestern U.S. > > So, obviously I have no intention of entering into a > lengthy discussion about LA 002, right now. > > But in regards to Michael Bloods post about the > preservation of LA 002 - YES, I did publicly express > my desires to not have LA 002 cut (for ESTHETIC > reasons), but this is an evolving issue, and for > anyone who progresses within their study of > meteorites, there comes a time "when a corner is > turned" and comes the realization that meteorites > exist in order to be cut! That meteorites made the > long journey to our planet for the explicit purpose > that they be cut, not only so that they can be > analyzed, but in order that their interior beauty can > be exposed. > > YES, I know. I have taken some List members to task > for the their "devout" attitudes towards "never" > cutting their favorite meteorite "never for ANY > reason", especially when that attitude is taken to the > point of alienating researchers and risking our > tenuous relationship with them. Having taken that > position, how then can I take the attitude that LA 002 > should never again undergo the blade? > > No longer do I presume to withhold from researchers > and the science of meteoritics THAT which would > advance our understanding of Mars, our own planet, and > the Solar System. Certainly, not for the reason that > "it's too beautiful". Certainly, not in this age of > advancing technology, now that we can core and extract > samples sufficiently large enough for analysis, yet > small enough that a meteorites form is not > compromised. (Besides, I've seen the museum's exact > replica of LA 002. It is a PERFECT replica! Now, > THAT is a real work of art that needs preservation. > In addition, I have the mold from which more replicas > can be made.;-) > > But if you don't agree with my philosophy about > cutting meteorites, and if you are such a > preservationist that you feel obliged to rescue LA 002 > (for sure, the Museum had their chance but they passed > in favor of much needed renovations), then feel free > to make me an offer. There is no barrier or > restriction that would prevent you from doing just > that - make me an offer for LA 002. I will > respectfully consider all legitimate offers. But > before I accept any offer, I will make good on my > promise to Michael Casper, that "in consideration of > his keeping of his word and of the faithful execution > of all the many aspects involved in the sale of LA > 001", that I would extend to him the opportunity to, > either, make the "last" (or final) offer in the sale > of LA 002, or, to pass on that opportunity. > > No big, complex mystery - just a simple explanation. > > Bob V. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes > http://autos.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LA 002 - Whatz all the fuss?
Didn't catch the LA 002 thread until late. Tonight was spent in preparation for our presentation at UCLA for tomorrow morning's Session of the 65th Annual Meeting of the Meteoritical Society. Nick Gessler, (along with Rob Matson and myself) will be presenting what signifies as being our combined, past 3 years of meteorite recovery efforts in the Southwestern U.S. So, obviously I have no intention of entering into a lengthy discussion about LA 002, right now. But in regards to Michael Bloods post about the preservation of LA 002 - YES, I did publicly express my desires to not have LA 002 cut (for ESTHETIC reasons), but this is an evolving issue, and for anyone who progresses within their study of meteorites, there comes a time "when a corner is turned" and comes the realization that meteorites exist in order to be cut! That meteorites made the long journey to our planet for the explicit purpose that they be cut, not only so that they can be analyzed, but in order that their interior beauty can be exposed. YES, I know. I have taken some List members to task for the their "devout" attitudes towards "never" cutting their favorite meteorite "never for ANY reason", especially when that attitude is taken to the point of alienating researchers and risking our tenuous relationship with them. Having taken that position, how then can I take the attitude that LA 002 should never again undergo the blade? No longer do I presume to withhold from researchers and the science of meteoritics THAT which would advance our understanding of Mars, our own planet, and the Solar System. Certainly, not for the reason that "it's too beautiful". Certainly, not in this age of advancing technology, now that we can core and extract samples sufficiently large enough for analysis, yet small enough that a meteorites form is not compromised. (Besides, I've seen the museum's exact replica of LA 002. It is a PERFECT replica! Now, THAT is a real work of art that needs preservation. In addition, I have the mold from which more replicas can be made.;-) But if you don't agree with my philosophy about cutting meteorites, and if you are such a preservationist that you feel obliged to rescue LA 002 (for sure, the Museum had their chance but they passed in favor of much needed renovations), then feel free to make me an offer. There is no barrier or restriction that would prevent you from doing just that - make me an offer for LA 002. I will respectfully consider all legitimate offers. But before I accept any offer, I will make good on my promise to Michael Casper, that "in consideration of his keeping of his word and of the faithful execution of all the many aspects involved in the sale of LA 001", that I would extend to him the opportunity to, either, make the "last" (or final) offer in the sale of LA 002, or, to pass on that opportunity. No big, complex mystery - just a simple explanation. Bob V. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list