[meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Well Michael, I work at an astronomical research institute and I know that most astronomers here could not find and identify extended objects or stars in the night sky with their unaided eyes. Of course, they can differentiate their spectra and other data that they acquire through large telescopes quite adeptly. In much the same way, most meteoriticists can identify mineralogy, chemistry and petrology of a sectioned meteorite, as well as interpret data acquired through ion/electron microprobes, SEM and other instrumentation quite well. But identifying a meteorite in the field is quite a different story, and requires skill and patience to accurately find and identify these rocky interlopers from space. Cut the scientists some slack and give due credit to those hunters who have honed their skills at finding and identifying meteorites from hard working experience in the field. gary On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:31 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Michael, A lot of times scientists used to working in labs with thin slices can't tell an ordinary chondrite from a hole in the ground. They often specialize in a narrow academic field and have no experience handling all different types of meteorites. It's hard to beat years of hands on experience when it comes to field grading meteorites. Plus, these stones have highly unusual crust. I didn't think they were meteorites because of the weird crust, but it's hard to tell just from looking at an out of focus photograph. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Hi Mike, Mike, and List, It is somewhat comical, but even the best of us can be fooled from time to time. There are some very convincing meteorwrongs in circulation, and we've had some recent high-profile falls that have increased the likelihood of fakes/scams, so an extra measure of caution is probably warranted. I was wondering why some scientists who go out into the field don't take some gadgets with them - like a magnetic susceptibility meter and an XRF gun. That would make preliminary identification of samples more sure. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 10/25/12, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
ohh Mike that is so wrong at so many levels. Peter is a really good guy and probably really really good at what he does. I personally could not tell by the pictures... I for 1 have that problem. I bet BobV knew what it was seconds after he had it in hands lots of field experience. Peter learned a good lesson. rule of thumb follow the basic steps for meteorite identification. Jim Jim Wooddell - Mobile Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
There is a deep divide between meteorite hunters, hobbyists, etc and the scientists. It wasn't always that way - the Meteoritical Society was originally formed by a group of scientists, hobbyists, and in general a gaggle of folks with widely varying backgrounds who shared an interest in meteorites. I think it would benefit everyone if the Society were able to regain that shared body of knowledge. I think this episode with the Novato meteorite/wrong/riteagain illustrates the need for a truly inclusive Society. Or perhaps for an entirely new society that values acceptance of people with a range of interests and experience levels, to include the general public. Cheers, Marc Fries On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Gary Fujihara wrote: Well Michael, I work at an astronomical research institute and I know that most astronomers here could not find and identify extended objects or stars in the night sky with their unaided eyes. Of course, they can differentiate their spectra and other data that they acquire through large telescopes quite adeptly. In much the same way, most meteoriticists can identify mineralogy, chemistry and petrology of a sectioned meteorite, as well as interpret data acquired through ion/electron microprobes, SEM and other instrumentation quite well. But identifying a meteorite in the field is quite a different story, and requires skill and patience to accurately find and identify these rocky interlopers from space. Cut the scientists some slack and give due credit to those hunters who have honed their skills at finding and identifying meteorites from hard working experience in the field. gary On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:31 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Most meteorite petrographers have a lot of experience looking at meteorite whole rocks, not just thin sections. Over the years, I can usually tell a meteorite from a wrong, but when I am not sure, I make a thin section before making an announcement. What I am not so good at is guessing what kind of a meteorite it is before I see a thin section. Jason Utas, for example, is much better at that than I am. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com; Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Michael, A lot of times scientists used to working in labs with thin slices can't tell an ordinary chondrite from a hole in the ground. They often specialize in a narrow academic field and have no experience handling all different types of meteorites. It's hard to beat years of hands on experience when it comes to field grading meteorites. Plus, these stones have highly unusual crust. I didn't think they were meteorites because of the weird crust, but it's hard to tell just from looking at an out of focus photograph. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
