Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-08 Thread Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
Anne, you are correct. Carl said, “They are all paired with NWA 13250.”

 

However, I was responding to his question just below my response in this thread.

 

Mendy

 

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Anne Black via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 3:10 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; rvarga...@outlook.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

 

Didn't I see a short response by Carl Agee saying that yes all 3 are indeed the 
same meteorite? 

I can't find it now.

Anne Black

IMPACTIKA.com

impact...@aol.com <mailto:impact...@aol.com> 

 

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From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >
To: 'Roberto Vargas' mailto:rvarga...@outlook.com> >
Cc: 'Meteorite List' mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Roberto,

 

Well … You are right. Unless you bought material that can be traced back to

any of the mass holders listed in the classification, then those stones are

not “Erg Chech 002” and have either been visually paired and sold improperly

under that name, visually paired and sold as visually paired, AND/OR are in

process of getting their own numbers paired by classification. 

 

Just because a meteorite can be paired visually does not mean that it should

or can be classified as such. I would recommend reading the guidelines

(https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/docs/nc-guidelines.pdf) to understand how

names and pairings are determined for falls versus dense collection area

finds. The system is not perfect and for sure needs improvements to reflect

the situation on the ground, but I believe we as a community are better off

recommending changes working with and within the MetSoc. However, doing so

means that we have to address not just our concerns but also the concerns of

the MetSoc and NomCom. In order to find common ground, we as hunters,

collectors, dealers, etc. need to understand their reasons for why the rules

are as they are. Changes forced from the outside are rarely effective.

 

If you want to have a more in-depth discussion, feel free to contact me off

list. 

 

Mendy

 

From: Roberto Vargas mailto:rvarga...@outlook.com> > 

Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:44 PM

To: Gmail mailto:mendy.ouzil...@gmail.com> >

Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks mailto:meteoritem...@gmail.com> >; Meteorite List

mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,

including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

 

Hey Mendy,

Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should have like

30 different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and about a

thousand other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a

unique-ish composition, was all found around the same time and submitted

around the same time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold

to a handful of dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different

meteorites (opinion).

~Roberto

 

 

 

 

Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef



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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,

including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 

 

Roberto, 

 

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same”

meteorites from dense collection areas.

 

Regards,

Mendy Ouzillou

 

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list

<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > wrote:

Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture.

Almost like they’re all the same material

 

Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef



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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-08 Thread Anne Black via Meteorite-list
Roberto, 
See Carl Agee's response:
https://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg129512.html

Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com


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From: Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
To: Gmail 
Cc: Meteorite List 
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 12:44 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hey Mendy,Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should 
have like 30 different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and 
about a thousand other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a 
unique-ish composition, was all found around the same time and submitted around 
the same time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold to a 
handful of dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different meteorites 
(opinion).~Roberto



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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. Roberto,
That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same” 
meteorites from dense collection areas.
Regards,

Mendy Ouzillou
On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. Almost 
like they’re all the same material
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link - 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-07 Thread Anne Black via Meteorite-list
Didn't I see a short response by Carl Agee saying that yes all 3 are indeed the 
same meteorite?I can't find it now.

Anne blackimpactika.comimpact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list 
To: 'Roberto Vargas' 
Cc: 'Meteorite List' 
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2020 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Roberto,

Well … You are right. Unless you bought material that can be traced back to
any of the mass holders listed in the classification, then those stones are
not “Erg Chech 002” and have either been visually paired and sold improperly
under that name, visually paired and sold as visually paired, AND/OR are in
process of getting their own numbers paired by classification. 

Just because a meteorite can be paired visually does not mean that it should
or can be classified as such. I would recommend reading the guidelines
(https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/docs/nc-guidelines.pdf) to understand how
names and pairings are determined for falls versus dense collection area
finds. The system is not perfect and for sure needs improvements to reflect
the situation on the ground, but I believe we as a community are better off
recommending changes working with and within the MetSoc. However, doing so
means that we have to address not just our concerns but also the concerns of
the MetSoc and NomCom. In order to find common ground, we as hunters,
collectors, dealers, etc. need to understand their reasons for why the rules
are as they are. Changes forced from the outside are rarely effective.

If you want to have a more in-depth discussion, feel free to contact me off
list. 

Mendy

From: Roberto Vargas  
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:44 PM
To: Gmail 
Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; Meteorite List

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,
including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hey Mendy,
Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should have like
30 different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and about a
thousand other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a
unique-ish composition, was all found around the same time and submitted
around the same time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold
to a handful of dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different
meteorites (opinion).
~Roberto




Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,
including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 
 
Roberto, 

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same”
meteorites from dense collection areas.

Regards,
Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture.
Almost like they’re all the same material

Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef

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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:15:03 PM
To: Meteorite List <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 
 
Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link -
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names==
alls===contains=50=ge==All=name
eg=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-07 Thread Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list
Hey Mendy,
Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should have like 30 
different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and about a thousand 
other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a unique-ish 
composition, was all found around the same time and submitted around the same 
time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold to a handful of 
dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different meteorites (opinion).
~Roberto




Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; Meteorite List 

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Roberto,

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same” 
meteorites from dense collection areas.

Regards,

Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
 wrote:

Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. Almost 
like they’re all the same material

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com>>
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To: Meteorite List 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link - 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-06 Thread Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
Roberto,

Well … You are right. Unless you bought material that can be traced back to
any of the mass holders listed in the classification, then those stones are
not “Erg Chech 002” and have either been visually paired and sold improperly
under that name, visually paired and sold as visually paired, AND/OR are in
process of getting their own numbers paired by classification. 

Just because a meteorite can be paired visually does not mean that it should
or can be classified as such. I would recommend reading the guidelines
(https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/docs/nc-guidelines.pdf) to understand how
names and pairings are determined for falls versus dense collection area
finds. The system is not perfect and for sure needs improvements to reflect
the situation on the ground, but I believe we as a community are better off
recommending changes working with and within the MetSoc. However, doing so
means that we have to address not just our concerns but also the concerns of
the MetSoc and NomCom. In order to find common ground, we as hunters,
collectors, dealers, etc. need to understand their reasons for why the rules
are as they are. Changes forced from the outside are rarely effective.

If you want to have a more in-depth discussion, feel free to contact me off
list. 

Mendy

From: Roberto Vargas  
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:44 PM
To: Gmail 
Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks ; Meteorite List

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,
including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hey Mendy,
Thanks for your response, but if that’s true, Erg Chech 002 should have like
30 different NWA numbers. Same with 869 and Al Haggounia 001 and about a
thousand other NWAs. The Martian is unique looking enough and has a
unique-ish composition, was all found around the same time and submitted
around the same time. It’s all the same material. Just because it was sold
to a handful of dealers shouldn’t mean it’s a handful of different
meteorites (opinion).
~Roberto




Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals,
including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 
 
Roberto, 

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same”
meteorites from dense collection areas.

Regards,
Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture.
Almost like they’re all the same material

Get https://aka.ms/o0ukef

From: Meteorite-list <mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com> on
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To: Meteorite List <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more. 
 
Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link -
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names==
alls===contains=50=ge==All=name
eg=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-06 Thread Gmail via Meteorite-list
Roberto,

That’s the way it’s supposed to be. There is no self pairing with the “same” 
meteorites from dense collection areas.

Regards,

Mendy Ouzillou

On Aug 3, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. Almost 
like they’re all the same material

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.
 
Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link - 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-04 Thread Carl Agee via Meteorite-list
They are all paired with NWA 13250.

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>
>   [EXTERNAL]
>
> Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. 
> Almost like they’re all the same material
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> From: Meteorite-list  on behalf 
> of Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
> 
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:15:03 PM
> To: Meteorite List 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
> many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.
>
> Hi List,
>
> Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
> These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.
>
> Link - 
> https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-04 Thread Roberto Vargas via Meteorite-list
Interesting how all three Martian Shergottites have poikilitic texture. Almost 
like they’re all the same material

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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:15:03 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including 
many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link - 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update : 51 new approvals, including many old early-NWA's, rare iron IIF, and more.

2020-08-03 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
Hi List,

Lots of new and interesting approvals in the latest Met Bull update.
These include some early NWAs going back to 2002.

Link - 
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=%2A=names=contains=50=ge==All=name=All=All7=Normal%20table==1



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