Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Used To Study Solar Activity AT LAST!!!

2006-09-28 Thread K. Ohtsuka
Hello list members,

see the following link,

http://www.aanda.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=181Itemid=42lang=en

where you can download the PDF file of the AA letter.

Katsuhito O.
Tokyo, JAPAN


- Original Message - 
From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:00 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Used To Study Solar Activity AT LAST!!!


 Hi all

 This phenomena of cosmic ray alteration of isotope
 concentration has been known to me for a long while.

 As solar activity increases, it deflects the cosmic
 rays which reduces the effect of cosmic rays.

 On earth, one of it's best effects is altering the
 amount of Carbon 14 (C14) prodced during periods of
 high solar activity. C14 has a known half-life of
 approx 5800 years and is created constantly so all
 things once living have a known amount of it. Once
 they die, this proportion decreases.

 Less well known is that year on year, the proportion
 of C12/C14 changes according to solar activity.
 Correction factors have to be made in carbon dating.

 Individual tree rings can be measured for actual vs
 predicted C12/C14 ratios and a picture of solar
 activity can be build up.

 This method shows several things

 Tree rings from 1640 to 1710 show a big increase in
 C14 vs predicted signifying a low solar activity. This
 roughly corresponds to a period of low temperature.
 The Thames in London used to freeze each winter and
 was so thick fairs could be held on the ice.

 It suggests that in Roman times, temperatures were
 even warmer than today. Grapes can only be grown in
 south east England today. Back then they could be
 grown North of York.

 It also suggests a general increase in solar activity
 over the last few hundred years, since the Maunder
 minimum, in fact. We're on a rise now, apparently.

 If meteorites are also showing this trend, some
 credence must be give to the The Human Race is a
 bunch of arrogant idiots who think they are more
 influential in the Grand Scheme of Things than they
 really are school of thought which I aspire to
 ascribe.

 Equally, I suggest that this blip in the epochs of
 time should be a timely reminder not to mess with
 things too much as we really have no idea how much
 influence we really have.

 Just my thoughts for the subject.

 (DISCLAIMER: this post was not sponsored by
 Shell/BP/XXon/FINA/Texaco or any other petrolium
 industry, etc. The author cannot discount the
 possibility that the original meteorite study may have
 been. He would like to distance himself from any
 suggestions to that effect

 I think that puts me in the clear)

 Anon (just in case)



 --- Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi All,
 
  Who'da thunk that global warming could become an
  on-topic
  subject for the meteorite list?!  --Rob
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Ron
  Baalke
  Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:15 PM
  To: Meteorite Mailing List
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Used To Study
  Solar Activity
 
 
 http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060926-015940-3936r
 
  Meteorites used to study solar activity
  UPI
  September 26, 2006
 
  OULU, Finland (UPI) -- A Finnish-led international
  team has used
  meteorites to investigate the sun's solar activity
  of past centuries.
 
  Ilya Usoskin at Finland's Sodankyla Geophysical
  Observatory and
  colleagues compared the amount of Titanium 44 in 19
  meteorites that have
  fallen to the Earth the past 240 years. They said
  their findings confirm
  that solar activity increased strongly during the
  20th century. They
  also find the sun has been particularly active
  during the past few
  decades.
 
  The scientists say studying the sun's activity is
  one of the oldest
  astrophysical projects, as astronomers began
  recording the number of
  sunspots to trace the sun's magnetic activity 400
  years ago.
 
  The team examined a set of 19 meteorites whose dates
  of fall are
  precisely known, measuring the amount of radioactive
  isotope Titanium 44
  in each meteorite. Titanium 44 is produced by the
  cosmic rays in the
  meteorites while they are outside the Earth's
  atmosphere. After the
  meteorite has fallen, it stops producing the
  isotope.
 
  By measuring the Titanium 44 in the meteorites, the
  scientists
  determined the level of solar activity at the time
  the meteorite fell.
 
  The study appears in the journal Astronomy 
  Astrophysics Letters.
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[meteorite-list] Meteorites Used To Study Solar Activity AT LAST!!!

2006-09-27 Thread Rob McCafferty
Hi all

This phenomena of cosmic ray alteration of isotope
concentration has been known to me for a long while.

As solar activity increases, it deflects the cosmic
rays which reduces the effect of cosmic rays.

On earth, one of it's best effects is altering the
amount of Carbon 14 (C14) prodced during periods of
high solar activity. C14 has a known half-life of
approx 5800 years and is created constantly so all
things once living have a known amount of it. Once
they die, this proportion decreases.

Less well known is that year on year, the proportion
of C12/C14 changes according to solar activity.
Correction factors have to be made in carbon dating.

Individual tree rings can be measured for actual vs
predicted C12/C14 ratios and a picture of solar
activity can be build up.

This method shows several things

Tree rings from 1640 to 1710 show a big increase in
C14 vs predicted signifying a low solar activity. This
roughly corresponds to a period of low temperature.
The Thames in London used to freeze each winter and
was so thick fairs could be held on the ice.

It suggests that in Roman times, temperatures were
even warmer than today. Grapes can only be grown in
south east England today. Back then they could be
grown North of York.

It also suggests a general increase in solar activity
over the last few hundred years, since the Maunder
minimum, in fact. We're on a rise now, apparently.

If meteorites are also showing this trend, some
credence must be give to the The Human Race is a
bunch of arrogant idiots who think they are more
influential in the Grand Scheme of Things than they
really are school of thought which I aspire to
ascribe.

Equally, I suggest that this blip in the epochs of
time should be a timely reminder not to mess with
things too much as we really have no idea how much
influence we really have.

Just my thoughts for the subject.

(DISCLAIMER: this post was not sponsored by
Shell/BP/XXon/FINA/Texaco or any other petrolium
industry, etc. The author cannot discount the
possibility that the original meteorite study may have
been. He would like to distance himself from any
suggestions to that effect

I think that puts me in the clear)

Anon (just in case)



--- Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi All,
 
 Who'da thunk that global warming could become an
 on-topic
 subject for the meteorite list?!  --Rob
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Ron
 Baalke
 Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:15 PM
 To: Meteorite Mailing List
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Used To Study
 Solar Activity
 

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060926-015940-3936r
 
 Meteorites used to study solar activity
 UPI
 September 26, 2006
 
 OULU, Finland (UPI) -- A Finnish-led international
 team has used
 meteorites to investigate the sun's solar activity
 of past centuries.
 
 Ilya Usoskin at Finland's Sodankyla Geophysical
 Observatory and
 colleagues compared the amount of Titanium 44 in 19
 meteorites that have
 fallen to the Earth the past 240 years. They said
 their findings confirm
 that solar activity increased strongly during the
 20th century. They
 also find the sun has been particularly active
 during the past few
 decades.
 
 The scientists say studying the sun's activity is
 one of the oldest
 astrophysical projects, as astronomers began
 recording the number of
 sunspots to trace the sun's magnetic activity 400
 years ago.
 
 The team examined a set of 19 meteorites whose dates
 of fall are
 precisely known, measuring the amount of radioactive
 isotope Titanium 44
 in each meteorite. Titanium 44 is produced by the
 cosmic rays in the
 meteorites while they are outside the Earth's
 atmosphere. After the
 meteorite has fallen, it stops producing the
 isotope.
 
 By measuring the Titanium 44 in the meteorites, the
 scientists
 determined the level of solar activity at the time
 the meteorite fell.
 
 The study appears in the journal Astronomy 
 Astrophysics Letters.
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