Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss
List, Habib, and Darkangel will also give in Ensisheim a talk describing his method. I am right now personally involved with Darkangel (whom we here also use to call Magnetix though his name is Guy Verlooven) in many experiments to test his method with hundreds of certified meteorites, including my 6.3 g full slice of Mifflin (got from Larry Atkins and fully documented). Details on these Ensi activities here: http://www.meteorite2011.karamako.net (click on English flyer) Best wishes (after another 10 days of mail link logout) Zelimir (initials really needed ?) Habib Gupta faustoguilhe...@gmail.com a écrit : Hello all! One of the members of the french speaking meteorite forum ( http://meteorites.superforum.fr/forum ), conceived an instrument based on the magnetic susceptibility of the meteorites that can easily distinguish between an H and an L chondrite. It only needs a flat surface of 15 mm of diameter to work. It can be a window cut or some flat area of the crust (not uncommon, right?) So, even fully crusted stones can be tested! Nice, isn't it? It can even tell apart or pair stones. The great advantage is that it is a non-destructive test. As the member of the forum has the pseudo Darkangel, his instrument is likely to be called Darkometer :) Darkangel and his Darkometer will be at the Ensishein fair, performing tests to demonstrate the utility of such device. Cheers! Saludos! Sanscelerien On 08-05-2011 21:36, Michael Blood wrote: Re Mifflin, I Bought a hand full of small specimens on ebay that were nothing more than hot rocks. It pissed me off, but I figured the guy was a dumb ass rather that fraudulent and just threw them away. It wasn't worth going through PayPal procedures. Someone said the Joe Kerchner issue should be solved By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites. AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to PROVE innocence. Prove guilt if that is your Thing, but asking someone to prove they are innocent is Not how we do things in the ol' U S of A. Michael On 5/8/11 9:06 AM, Adam Huperaremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: When purchasing artifacts, I learned that the more lengthy a seller's explanation is, the more likely you are dealing with a fraudster. When the story is long-winded as is the case with this bogus Mifflin, I immediately become cautious. It is rare for dealers of genuine artifacts to go into more detail than is necessary. The truth is much easier to tell than a lie and doesn't require senseless backup explanations. In this day and age, why would anybody deal with somebody they have never met and send cash to a P.O. Box without first receiving the product? Nobody likes to cut completely crusted stones so it is difficult to asses what lays under a fresh fusion crust. A magnet might help a little bit. It really is a matter of trust and it seems this trust is being violated frequently these days when it comes to falls. It is not fair to the people in the field spending hundreds of hours finding legitimate stones to have some con artist purchase pieces for 1/100th the cost and then passing them off as a different fall. The meteorite fall market is so thin, one counterfeit can do widespread damage. Now some collectors will question the authenticity of their Mifflin pieces and other recent falls unless they know the exact circumstances of where the meteorite was found and by whom. It is too bad a few Filthy, Greedy, Con-Artists have infiltrated this semi-exclusive market which is based on trust! The buck stops with the person that initially brought these phoneys to market. Time to take out the trash! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss
Re Mifflin, I Bought a hand full of small specimens on ebay that were nothing more than hot rocks. It pissed me off, but I figured the guy was a dumb ass rather that fraudulent and just threw them away. It wasn't worth going through PayPal procedures. Someone said the Joe Kerchner issue should be solved By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites. AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to PROVE innocence. Prove guilt if that is your Thing, but asking someone to prove they are innocent is Not how we do things in the ol' U S of A. Michael On 5/8/11 9:06 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: When purchasing artifacts, I learned that the more lengthy a seller's explanation is, the more likely you are dealing with a fraudster. When the story is long-winded as is the case with this bogus Mifflin, I immediately become cautious. It is rare for dealers of genuine artifacts to go into more detail than is necessary. The truth is much easier to tell than a lie and doesn't require senseless backup explanations. In this day and age, why would anybody deal with somebody they have never met and send cash to a P.O. Box without first receiving the product? Nobody likes to cut completely crusted stones so it is difficult to asses what lays under a fresh fusion crust. A magnet might help a little bit. It really is a matter of trust and it seems this trust is being violated frequently these days when it comes to falls. It is not fair to the people in the field spending hundreds of hours finding legitimate stones to have some con artist purchase pieces for 1/100th the cost and then passing them off as a different fall. The meteorite fall market is so thin, one counterfeit can do widespread damage. Now some collectors will question the authenticity of their Mifflin pieces and other recent falls unless they know the exact circumstances of where the meteorite was found and by whom. It is too bad a few Filthy, Greedy, Con-Artists have infiltrated this semi-exclusive market which is based on trust! The buck stops with the person that initially brought these phoneys to market. Time to take out the trash! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss
--- On Sun, 5/8/11, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites. AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to PROVE innocence. Prove guilt if that is your Thing, but asking someone to prove they are innocent is Not how we do things in the ol' U S of A. Michael Just reading through this thread with sadness, disappointment and concern. No Mifflin here and no plans to own any, but this is a problem for all. I do have to respond to Micheal's post here. While I agree that you shouldn't have to prove your innocence in a court of law, you still have to defend yourself if accused. Since for many hunters this is a business, being able to prove you got a stone from a specific location doesn't just make sense, in this day and age, it is a requirement. Digital cameras are in every cell phone made now. Cheap GPS units can be found new for as little as $50. I find it unbelievable that anyone seriously hunting a new fall wouldn't record their finds in this manner. I find it had to believe that even casual hunters wouldn't make this investment. Falls hold little interest for me at this time, but as far as I'm concerned any meteorite claimed to be from a certain fall, without photographic proof of it's location where it fell, including a photo of the GPS coordinates and stone in the pic, is not worth 1/10th the price of documented stones. If you don't want to record this info, that's fine, but you shouldn't expect anywhere near the same price for properly documented stones. A local dealer told me his Japanese customers like seeing photos of him in the field with the stone as proof he actually hunters and recovers them. Maybe that is the standard all fall chasers need to aspire too... And all fall collectors should require. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss
Hello all! One of the members of the french speaking meteorite forum ( http://meteorites.superforum.fr/forum ), conceived an instrument based on the magnetic susceptibility of the meteorites that can easily distinguish between an H and an L chondrite. It only needs a flat surface of 15 mm of diameter to work. It can be a window cut or some flat area of the crust (not uncommon, right?) So, even fully crusted stones can be tested! Nice, isn't it? It can even tell apart or pair stones. The great advantage is that it is a non-destructive test. As the member of the forum has the pseudo Darkangel, his instrument is likely to be called Darkometer :) Darkangel and his Darkometer will be at the Ensishein fair, performing tests to demonstrate the utility of such device. Cheers! Saludos! Sanscelerien On 08-05-2011 21:36, Michael Blood wrote: Re Mifflin, I Bought a hand full of small specimens on ebay that were nothing more than hot rocks. It pissed me off, but I figured the guy was a dumb ass rather that fraudulent and just threw them away. It wasn't worth going through PayPal procedures. Someone said the Joe Kerchner issue should be solved By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites. AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to PROVE innocence. Prove guilt if that is your Thing, but asking someone to prove they are innocent is Not how we do things in the ol' U S of A. Michael On 5/8/11 9:06 AM, Adam Huperaremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: When purchasing artifacts, I learned that the more lengthy a seller's explanation is, the more likely you are dealing with a fraudster. When the story is long-winded as is the case with this bogus Mifflin, I immediately become cautious. It is rare for dealers of genuine artifacts to go into more detail than is necessary. The truth is much easier to tell than a lie and doesn't require senseless backup explanations. In this day and age, why would anybody deal with somebody they have never met and send cash to a P.O. Box without first receiving the product? Nobody likes to cut completely crusted stones so it is difficult to asses what lays under a fresh fusion crust. A magnet might help a little bit. It really is a matter of trust and it seems this trust is being violated frequently these days when it comes to falls. It is not fair to the people in the field spending hundreds of hours finding legitimate stones to have some con artist purchase pieces for 1/100th the cost and then passing them off as a different fall. The meteorite fall market is so thin, one counterfeit can do widespread damage. Now some collectors will question the authenticity of their Mifflin pieces and other recent falls unless they know the exact circumstances of where the meteorite was found and by whom. It is too bad a few Filthy, Greedy, Con-Artists have infiltrated this semi-exclusive market which is based on trust! The buck stops with the person that initially brought these phoneys to market. Time to take out the trash! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin, WHAT is Amiss
IN our court system, you must prove your innocence and are assumed guilty once charges are filed, even if those charges are flimsy, improper or lies. Many police departments, especially in the deep south, are rampant with incompetence and corruption. Many innocent people get railroaded in this county. Jails and prisons are full of innocent people convicted by arrogant shit-tard authorities who are afraid to admit they are wrong and would rather see an innocent person suffer, rather than admit they made a mistake. Take noting for granted. Innocent until proven guilty is a myth and a lie. Best regards, MikeG On 5/8/11, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Re Mifflin, I Bought a hand full of small specimens on ebay that were nothing more than hot rocks. It pissed me off, but I figured the guy was a dumb ass rather that fraudulent and just threw them away. It wasn't worth going through PayPal procedures. Someone said the Joe Kerchner issue should be solved By a photo in situ next to a GPS unit. Well, that is not how All hunters process finds. One should not be REQUIRED to Purchase a GPS unit and digital camera to find meteorites. AND it is unreasonable to expect Someone to PROVE innocence. Prove guilt if that is your Thing, but asking someone to prove they are innocent is Not how we do things in the ol' U S of A. Michael On 5/8/11 9:06 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: When purchasing artifacts, I learned that the more lengthy a seller's explanation is, the more likely you are dealing with a fraudster. When the story is long-winded as is the case with this bogus Mifflin, I immediately become cautious. It is rare for dealers of genuine artifacts to go into more detail than is necessary. The truth is much easier to tell than a lie and doesn't require senseless backup explanations. In this day and age, why would anybody deal with somebody they have never met and send cash to a P.O. Box without first receiving the product? Nobody likes to cut completely crusted stones so it is difficult to asses what lays under a fresh fusion crust. A magnet might help a little bit. It really is a matter of trust and it seems this trust is being violated frequently these days when it comes to falls. It is not fair to the people in the field spending hundreds of hours finding legitimate stones to have some con artist purchase pieces for 1/100th the cost and then passing them off as a different fall. The meteorite fall market is so thin, one counterfeit can do widespread damage. Now some collectors will question the authenticity of their Mifflin pieces and other recent falls unless they know the exact circumstances of where the meteorite was found and by whom. It is too bad a few Filthy, Greedy, Con-Artists have infiltrated this semi-exclusive market which is based on trust! The buck stops with the person that initially brought these phoneys to market. Time to take out the trash! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
