[meteorite-list] Moon rocks found to contain possible Earth gas
Moon rocks found in Antarctica include tiny amounts of gas that may have come from Earth By Robert Lea, Space https://www.space.com/moon-meteorites-noble-gases-from-earth Yours, Paul H. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist2.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks
Sorry list personal message to Tim Heitz who sent me a nice answer to my post: Tim, I responded but got an email saying that in order for you to receive my answer, I have to fill a form for you to consider me as no spam. Sorry, I don't want to go thru such process, that is actually new to me after about 14 years of internet practice... So, just to let you know that I enjoyed your answer and will certainly try to come to St Louis to see the Martian meteorite display All the best everyone Michael B. -- From: "Michael Bross" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:31 AM To: "Graham Ensor" ; "Jeff Grossman" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Thank you Graham Hi list But why those displays always have to be so "ugly" ! It takes so much out of the inherent charm of the objects ! Beautiful Rowton meteorite Good evening everyone Michael B. -- From: "Graham Ensor" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:15 AM To: "Jeff Grossman" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Yes...Jeff/all, A group of us from BIMS recently were shown the Apollo 17 plaque at the NHM Londonpicture/s here... http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Meteorites/?action=view¤t=UklunarSample.jpg Graham On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a nice chip, maybe a cm across. Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thank you Graham Hi list But why those displays always have to be so "ugly" ! It takes so much out of the inherent charm of the objects ! Beautiful Rowton meteorite Good evening everyone Michael B. -- From: "Graham Ensor" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:15 AM To: "Jeff Grossman" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Yes...Jeff/all, A group of us from BIMS recently were shown the Apollo 17 plaque at the NHM Londonpicture/s here... http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Meteorites/?action=view¤t=UklunarSample.jpg Graham On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a nice chip, maybe a cm across. Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks
Yes...Jeff/all, A group of us from BIMS recently were shown the Apollo 17 plaque at the NHM Londonpicture/s here... http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Meteorites/?action=view¤t=UklunarSample.jpg Graham On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Jeff Grossman wrote: > Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a > nice chip, maybe a cm across. > > Jeff > > > On 5/23/2012 6:23 PM, Benjamin P. Sun wrote: >> >> The Apollo 11 Goodwill moon rocks are fragments of about 50mg for each >> plaque. >> >> But the Apollo 17 Goodwill moon rocks have a fragment of about 1 gram >> each. >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I wonder if the Canadian Government still has their "gift", or has it been lost due to incompetence! Our government doesn't, these days, really like the sciences! Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi everyone I was a kid in Strasbourg, Alsace, France... when the first men landed on the moon. We went to the nearby street, to see in the window of the local newspaper, on a small B&W TV with a dozen other people that amazing event. There were barely any TV at that time in France. I still remember the scene and the immense joy looking at the LEM landing and the first steps on the Moon. A couple years later, a movie theater (now gone), after re-showing the great Stanley Kubrick movie "2001, a space odyssey" had a show about the Apollo program and showed some space rocks and other artifacts and photos. I was on stretches... after a stupid strained ligament on a high jump, the sport "teacher" not letting me warm up sufficiently after me being late... OK, I am talking about my personal life... and don't want to bother you more with it... but those are unforgettable strong memories. Later, I followed every televised Moon adventure: the tragic but great ending Apollo 13, the extensive Apollo 14 saga etc... And now, I would love to have some memorabilia about Apollo, not a Moon rock but something great. If anyone can point to something great and decent in price... please let me know. Just like a nice badge of one of these great adventures... Thanks Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a nice chip, maybe a cm across. Jeff On 5/23/2012 6:23 PM, Benjamin P. Sun wrote: The Apollo 11 Goodwill moon rocks are fragments of about 50mg for each plaque. But the Apollo 17 Goodwill moon rocks have a fragment of about 1 gram each. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks
The Apollo 11 Goodwill moon rocks are fragments of about 50mg for each plaque. But the Apollo 17 Goodwill moon rocks have a fragment of about 1 gram each. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike, Here is what was given: In November 1969, then-U.S. President Richard Nixon requested NASA fabricate approximately 250 displays for distribution by the White House containing lunar surface material and the flags of 135 nations, U. S. possessions and states. Each presentation included 0.05 grams of dust (encased in lucite) retrieved by the Apollo 11 astronauts, as well as a flag of the recepient nation carried aboard the mission. The displays presented to foriegn nations were inscribed: Presented to the People of by Richard Nixon, President of the United States of America. This Flag of Your Nation was Carried to the Moon and Back by Apollo 11 and This Fragment of the Moon's Surface was Brought to Earth by the Crew of That First Manned Lunar Landing. (With exception of the plaque for Venezuela, when it was discovered that the country's flag was not carried aboard Apollo 11. Instead, a flag flown on Apollo 12 was used with the following wording: "This flag of your nation was carried to the moon and back, and this fragment of the moon's surface was brought to earth by the crew of the first manned lunar landing.") Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 3:30 PM To: Count Deiro Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Greetings List, It is hard to tell exact scale in the photo (in the article that Count posted), but it looks like 4 Bessey specks suspended inside a marble of clear acrylic (or lucite, or ?). I had always assumed that the Apollo "moon rocks" the US government distributed to various countries were much larger - perhaps acorn sized fragments, or a decent part-slice or something. Apparently we were giving away crumb-sized micros. Or maybe, a given nation's relative value to the US as an ally may have dictated by how much Apollo material they received. And poor Nicaragua only merited a few specks. LOL. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 5/23/12, Count Deiro wrote: > Hello List, > FYI > http://enews.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20120523/e96037d3-82dd-487b > -8a52-3cab26c0614b > Regards, > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greetings List, It is hard to tell exact scale in the photo (in the article that Count posted), but it looks like 4 Bessey specks suspended inside a marble of clear acrylic (or lucite, or ?). I had always assumed that the Apollo "moon rocks" the US government distributed to various countries were much larger - perhaps acorn sized fragments, or a decent part-slice or something. Apparently we were giving away crumb-sized micros. Or maybe, a given nation's relative value to the US as an ally may have dictated by how much Apollo material they received. And poor Nicaragua only merited a few specks. LOL. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 5/23/12, Count Deiro wrote: > Hello List, > FYI > http://enews.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20120523/e96037d3-82dd-487b-8a52-3cab26c0614b > Regards, > Count Deiro > IMCA 3536 > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks
Hello List, FYI http://enews.earthlink.net/article/us?guid=20120523/e96037d3-82dd-487b-8a52-3cab26c0614b Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks Cases and outcomes
"so we better pass an all encompassing law against ownership by anyone other than the US Government et.al. No one in the history of this list was able to ever find that enactment and I have asked NASA repeatedly" Hi Elton, I would conjecture that no such law exists. It would be Draconian or unconstitutional at best, in the USA. Theft laws are however are perfectly applicable and established, and are resolved by the judiciary,. not a self appointed do gooder policeman who thinks he can say "NASA" "US Government" or "FBI" and scare anyone into a trembling pile of jelly. American should take pride in the fact that the little guy can stand up and be heard if he/she wants to. To me, looking for a precedent is a non-issue, at least in the same sense for looking for one on whether someone can own a pre-treaty Antarctic meteorite. Each case must be submitted to the judicial authority competent for its resolution: case by case, as would any theft law. In the USA, it takes special legislation to enact emminent domain laws, which to my knowledge is the only route to depriving any citizen of his priovate property duly acquired. Any circuimvention of the judicial review process ... is un-American. The same applies to meteorites, and outside the national boundary of origin a different set of laws apply, meaning that if any locally authority government official, recipient of a moon plaque, e.g., in Timbucktu sells their plaque, US laws do not apply. It gets murky if it crosses back into the US, or is abandoned in Antarctica. ;-) My two centavos kindest wishes\ Doug -Original Message- From: MstrEman To: D Miller Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Mon, Apr 16, 2012 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks Cases and outcomes This my recollection about the dust history. I do not recall the story about accidental exposure but it is as likely as not. Other than Bean's claim there were two incidences of dust escaping government control. One was the Hasselblad film magazine which was dropped into the dust and was the one talked about in this story. The other was the dry cleaner in Coco Beach that had been awarded the contract to clean NASA space suits. The magazine was returned under purchase/work order to Hasselblad for inspection and refurbishment as necessary. The dust was collected with scotch tape as I recall. The purchase order did not include the requirement for Hasslblad to return anything other than the hardware. I do not remember the entire exchange but pretty much like Obama asking "pretty please give us our drone back" Hasslblads and their subcontractor said Nicht. About this time congress decided ooops the samples could get pilfered so we better pass an all encompassing law against ownership by anyone other than the US Government et.al. No one in the history of this list was able to ever find that enactment and I have asked NASA repeatedly under Ignored FOIA to cite chapter and verse where private ownership is disallowed.(sic) I believe the US code or law says title remains with the Government. I believe-- armed with this new law, NASA went back to German court where the German law regarding retroactive laws was not enforceable and the contract stood as submitted and was fulfilled by Hassleblad--OR so I read somewhere in collage in an international law case study. The enterprizing dry cleaner realized far ahead of NASA that dust would be coming back and he could reap a fortune in resales if he got the dry cleaning contract. He low balled the contract and bidded his time through all the early Apollo missions doing as contracted: waiting on 11 and 12 and might have even been into cleaning 14s suits when NASA got wind and came looking for the dust--which again had not been addressed in the contract. The dry cleaner lost in Federal Court. The Government cited the above law/regulations and exceptional research potential that gave the public overriding interest. ( I did not know that NASA ever has conducted the impact of moon dust on body hair, sweat and urine mixtures) but that I understand was what happened to the dry cleaning dust. The scotch tape specimens were sold at a foreign auction several years ago and was snipped into smaller slivers for subsequent sale. I don't know what became of the slivers but did see a webpage offering them for sale-- POR: Price on request. I may (or may not --wink wink) have a sample from a certain Soviet mission return capsule that went to the surface of the moon and returned to earth. The ownership of said sample was in limbo owing to the reorganization of the legal system post Soviet Era and at the time of purchase, Russian law was silent on former soviet property. However the provenance was back to the Soviet pilot who the sample was officially awarded the cloth. If anyone does find the case law, US Title/chapter or in the CFRs please share. It may be th
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks Cases and outcomes
This my recollection about the dust history. I do not recall the story about accidental exposure but it is as likely as not. Other than Bean's claim there were two incidences of dust escaping government control. One was the Hasselblad film magazine which was dropped into the dust and was the one talked about in this story. The other was the dry cleaner in Coco Beach that had been awarded the contract to clean NASA space suits. The magazine was returned under purchase/work order to Hasselblad for inspection and refurbishment as necessary. The dust was collected with scotch tape as I recall. The purchase order did not include the requirement for Hasslblad to return anything other than the hardware. I do not remember the entire exchange but pretty much like Obama asking "pretty please give us our drone back" Hasslblads and their subcontractor said Nicht. About this time congress decided ooops the samples could get pilfered so we better pass an all encompassing law against ownership by anyone other than the US Government et.al. No one in the history of this list was able to ever find that enactment and I have asked NASA repeatedly under Ignored FOIA to cite chapter and verse where private ownership is disallowed.(sic) I believe the US code or law says title remains with the Government. I believe-- armed with this new law, NASA went back to German court where the German law regarding retroactive laws was not enforceable and the contract stood as submitted and was fulfilled by Hassleblad--OR so I read somewhere in collage in an international law case study. The enterprizing dry cleaner realized far ahead of NASA that dust would be coming back and he could reap a fortune in resales if he got the dry cleaning contract. He low balled the contract and bidded his time through all the early Apollo missions doing as contracted: waiting on 11 and 12 and might have even been into cleaning 14s suits when NASA got wind and came looking for the dust--which again had not been addressed in the contract. The dry cleaner lost in Federal Court. The Government cited the above law/regulations and exceptional research potential that gave the public overriding interest. ( I did not know that NASA ever has conducted the impact of moon dust on body hair, sweat and urine mixtures) but that I understand was what happened to the dry cleaning dust. The scotch tape specimens were sold at a foreign auction several years ago and was snipped into smaller slivers for subsequent sale. I don't know what became of the slivers but did see a webpage offering them for sale-- POR: Price on request. I may (or may not --wink wink) have a sample from a certain Soviet mission return capsule that went to the surface of the moon and returned to earth. The ownership of said sample was in limbo owing to the reorganization of the legal system post Soviet Era and at the time of purchase, Russian law was silent on former soviet property. However the provenance was back to the Soviet pilot who the sample was officially awarded the cloth. If anyone does find the case law, US Title/chapter or in the CFRs please share. It may be that I can't legally own Apollo material but Sterling or Bernd might have no such restrictions. I think MASA(sic) just strong-armed Aldrin(?) over the return of his Lunar camera. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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o prosecution has succeeded, except for those caught (literally) in the act of theft. In an embarrassing incident for NASA, a summer intern and two companions carried a safe full of lunar samples out of a building at Johnson Space Center (as Dave Barry would say, I am not making this up). They were apprehended while trying to sell them at bargain basement prices and subsequently prosecuted. It was rumored for years that several of the Apollo astronauts held samples from their respective missions. If they did, it was probably inadvertent-the lunar dust is extremely adhesive and it is possible that smudges of lunar dust clung to personal items returned from the Moon in their Personal Preference Kits. Alan Bean, who documents the Apollo experience through his oil paintings, is said to add ground-up patches retrieved from his lunar space suit to his works. His reasoning is that because his suit was dirty with lunar dust, some of that dust must find its way into his paintings, giving them a true "lunar" ambiance. So Mr. Ian Sheffield of Edinburgh may be home free. I might suggest to him that given their quasi-legal status, he is probably better off not calling attention to his possession of these unique artifacts. In fact, although NASA frowns on owning stolen Apollo lunar samples, there are dozens of lunar samples available for sale on eBay. A number of meteorites recovered on Earth, came from the Moon. Although most of them belong to national governments that sponsor the recovery of meteorites from Antarctica, several are in private hands and can be bought and sold, just as any commodity. Right now, there is a very nice anorthositic breccia from the lunar highlands for sale. Better hurry though - the sale only lasts another day. Oh yes, the asking price: a mere $144,000. By the way, over the years, I have been asked to look at a few "lunar" samples that were in fact, lunar fakes. Caveat Emptor! > Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 18:40:06 -0500 > From: meteoritemike at gmail.com > To: ROBERT.D.MATSON at saic.com > CC: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay? > > Hi Robert and List, > > I saw that listing last night. I'm not 100% certain, but I think it is > illegal to sell such a specimen. And I think it might be illegal just > to own it. And even if it's legal, there's no way to tell if it's > real, based on the photos and description. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > -- > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - > http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - > http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > -- > - > On 2/3/11, Matson, Robert D. wrote: > > Probably impossible to tell from the pictures, but what are the odds > > that this is truly Apollo material? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150557455015 > > > > --Rob Previous message: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay? Next message: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list Carl Meteoritemax -- Cheers D Miller wrote: > Lol that's it! > > Sent from T-Mobile G2 with Google > > "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: > > >Dan, List, > > > >THIS $4.7 million Moon Rock? > >http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/003260.html > > > >As they point out, that $4.7 million is just an > >opening bid; there is a reserve. But, but on the > >bright side... Free Shipping! > > > >I suppose it would be more or less legal to sell > >someone a Moon Rock on eBay and when the > >auction was complete, tell the buyer that his > >purchase was ON the Moon and all he had to > >do was to arrange his own shipping or just go > >pick it up himself... > > > > > >Sterling K. Webb > >-- > >- Original Message - > >From: "D Miller" > >To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; > > > >S
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks
Pretty bogus isn't half of it. He claims it's a -meteorite- brought back from the Moon by one of the Apollo expeditions. There have only been 2 meteorites recognized in the returned lunar samples, and you can bet your sweet bippy this ain't one of them. Meteoric, possibly, but this guy is talking through his hat for the rest of it. Regrettably, ebay is very much caveat emptor; as long as they get their cut, you can post anything that doesn't openly conflict with their selling guidelines, fraudulent or not. Crazy people or scammers are not disallowed. Best! Tracy Latimer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon rocks
Looks pretty bogus to me: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moon-rock-Apollo11-/190661007344?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c644817f0 He relists it every week, lowering the starting bid by $100,000. I don't see how eBay can allow this. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Lol that's it! Sent from T-Mobile G2 with Google "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: >Dan, List, > >THIS $4.7 million Moon Rock? >http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/003260.html > >As they point out, that $4.7 million is just an >opening bid; there is a reserve. But, but on the >bright side... Free Shipping! > >I suppose it would be more or less legal to sell >someone a Moon Rock on eBay and when the >auction was complete, tell the buyer that his >purchase was ON the Moon and all he had to >do was to arrange his own shipping or just go >pick it up himself... > > >Sterling K. Webb >-- >- Original Message - >From: "D Miller" >To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; > >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:40 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks > > >> Did anyone see the auction on EBay last week for a Moon rock for 4.7 >> mil. I tried to post here twice. He said he had papers to own I also >> heard men in suits from NASA may show up at your doorstep if you try >> to sell them. >> >> Sent from T-Mobile G2 with Google >> >> "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: >> >>>Hi, Dan, List, >>> >>>"Moon Rocks," meaning pieces of the Moon returned >>>by the space program, are the property of the Nation, >>>which paid about 25 billion 1970 dollars for them. In >>>practical terms, they are "owned" by the government >>>of the United States. No individuals "own" them. But >>>samples of lunar material are loaned to researchers on >>>application and justification for the research proposed >>>and are returned when it is over (unless the testing is >>>destructive, in which case they must be accounted for). >>> >>>"Moon Rocks," in the sense of rocks from the Moon >>>that were brought to Earth by other means than >>>government effort, that is, meteorites, can be owned >>>by anyone willing to pay the price to own them. >>> >>> >>>Sterling K. Webb >>>-- >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "D Miller" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:18 PM >>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks >>> >>> >>>> Can someone please tell me what the government policy is on >>>> obtaining >>>> moon rocks? I understand that only selected individuals related to >>>> the >>>> space program are allowed to own them. Dan Miller >>>> __ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at >>>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks
Dan, List, THIS $4.7 million Moon Rock? http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/003260.html As they point out, that $4.7 million is just an opening bid; there is a reserve. But, but on the bright side... Free Shipping! I suppose it would be more or less legal to sell someone a Moon Rock on eBay and when the auction was complete, tell the buyer that his purchase was ON the Moon and all he had to do was to arrange his own shipping or just go pick it up himself... Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "D Miller" To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks Did anyone see the auction on EBay last week for a Moon rock for 4.7 mil. I tried to post here twice. He said he had papers to own I also heard men in suits from NASA may show up at your doorstep if you try to sell them. Sent from T-Mobile G2 with Google "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: Hi, Dan, List, "Moon Rocks," meaning pieces of the Moon returned by the space program, are the property of the Nation, which paid about 25 billion 1970 dollars for them. In practical terms, they are "owned" by the government of the United States. No individuals "own" them. But samples of lunar material are loaned to researchers on application and justification for the research proposed and are returned when it is over (unless the testing is destructive, in which case they must be accounted for). "Moon Rocks," in the sense of rocks from the Moon that were brought to Earth by other means than government effort, that is, meteorites, can be owned by anyone willing to pay the price to own them. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "D Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks Can someone please tell me what the government policy is on obtaining moon rocks? I understand that only selected individuals related to the space program are allowed to own them. Dan Miller __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks
Did anyone see the auction on EBay last week for a Moon rock for 4.7 mil. I tried to post here twice. He said he had papers to own I also heard men in suits from NASA may show up at your doorstep if you try to sell them. Sent from T-Mobile G2 with Google "Sterling K. Webb" wrote: >Hi, Dan, List, > >"Moon Rocks," meaning pieces of the Moon returned >by the space program, are the property of the Nation, >which paid about 25 billion 1970 dollars for them. In >practical terms, they are "owned" by the government >of the United States. No individuals "own" them. But >samples of lunar material are loaned to researchers on >application and justification for the research proposed >and are returned when it is over (unless the testing is >destructive, in which case they must be accounted for). > >"Moon Rocks," in the sense of rocks from the Moon >that were brought to Earth by other means than >government effort, that is, meteorites, can be owned >by anyone willing to pay the price to own them. > > >Sterling K. Webb >-- >----- Original Message - >From: "D Miller" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:18 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks > > >> Can someone please tell me what the government policy is on obtaining >> moon rocks? I understand that only selected individuals related to the >> space program are allowed to own them. Dan Miller >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks
Hi, Dan, List, "Moon Rocks," meaning pieces of the Moon returned by the space program, are the property of the Nation, which paid about 25 billion 1970 dollars for them. In practical terms, they are "owned" by the government of the United States. No individuals "own" them. But samples of lunar material are loaned to researchers on application and justification for the research proposed and are returned when it is over (unless the testing is destructive, in which case they must be accounted for). "Moon Rocks," in the sense of rocks from the Moon that were brought to Earth by other means than government effort, that is, meteorites, can be owned by anyone willing to pay the price to own them. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "D Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 2:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon rocks Can someone please tell me what the government policy is on obtaining moon rocks? I understand that only selected individuals related to the space program are allowed to own them. Dan Miller __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon rocks
Can someone please tell me what the government policy is on obtaining moon rocks? I understand that only selected individuals related to the space program are allowed to own them. Dan Miller __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Sting
Wow---the Count is on a proverbial adjective roll :-) I do agree! Best, Kirk.:-) - Original Message - From: "Count Deiro" To: "Mike Fiedler" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Sting Hello All, What is it with these badge heavy assho--s?? I'm tired of wanmabee cops putting SWAT type moves on helpless and clueless citizens. What a bunch of pencil neck, small you know what, total jerks. These sociopathic imbeciles can't seem to relate their actions to anything in reality...like what would they feel like if this was done to their wife, daughter or mother?? The thought never seems to enter these chaplinesque buffoon's minds, nor that of their even more imbecilic managers. To hell in a handbasket at Mach 2, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Mike Fiedler Sent: Oct 25, 2011 10:28 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Sting Seems NASA is doing some 'collecting'. http://www.universetoday.com/90272/nasa-nabs-grandma-for-trying-to-sell-moon-rock/ Wonder what contact Hubby had with Armstrong? - Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Sting
Hello All, What is it with these badge heavy assho--s?? I'm tired of wanmabee cops putting SWAT type moves on helpless and clueless citizens. What a bunch of pencil neck, small you know what, total jerks. These sociopathic imbeciles can't seem to relate their actions to anything in reality...like what would they feel like if this was done to their wife, daughter or mother?? The thought never seems to enter these chaplinesque buffoon's minds, nor that of their even more imbecilic managers. To hell in a handbasket at Mach 2, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Mike Fiedler >Sent: Oct 25, 2011 10:28 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Sting > >Seems NASA is doing some 'collecting'. > >http://www.universetoday.com/90272/nasa-nabs-grandma-for-trying-to-sell-moon-rock/ > >Wonder what contact Hubby had with Armstrong? > >- Mike >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Sting
Seems NASA is doing some 'collecting'. http://www.universetoday.com/90272/nasa-nabs-grandma-for-trying-to-sell-moon-rock/ Wonder what contact Hubby had with Armstrong? - Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS ON DISPLAY - COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN NEVADA
Hi Tom the Cube, Nah, it would be disrespectful to show up unannounced. There was a day I would have. But, these gentlemen are at least trying to spark some interest in students to become "ists". I sent an Email asking if they would like to meet me and if so would they like me to bring some larger specimens. I've got a few individual 1/2 kilo Campos and Nantans the kids can play with. And it would be the first showing of that big chondrite since I finished prepping and polishing it. It's mounted on clear lucite feet and stand 10" tall. Neat looking... and I kiss it when I go to bed. Guido IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: starsinthed...@aol.com >Sent: Apr 5, 2010 12:40 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS ON DISPLAY - COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN >NEVADA > >Way to go Count! > >Are you going unannounced? I would love to see the looks on the >professors face when they discover they have a meteorite celebrity in their >class >and he brought Nevada's largest stoney meteorite! > >I wish I could be there! (Still stuck in very rural Idaho) Tom > >In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:42:50 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, >countde...@earthlink.net writes: >Hello List, > >NASA provided "moon rocks" will be on display in Room C-123 at the >Henderson Campus of the College of Southern Nevada located at 700 College >Drive in >Las Vegas, Nevada this week. Included with the lucite encased moon rocks >will be a display of "hands on" meteorites for students and the public to >inspect. > >Physics and Astronomy Professor Peter Lanagan and Chemistry Professor >Charles Kotulski, who is NASA certified to handle moon samples, will give >presentations open to students and the public: > >Today, April 5th from 3:20PM till 5:30PM > >Tuesday from 12:20PM till 2PM > >Thursday from 12:30PM till 2:30PM > >Friday from 9:00AM till 11:00AM > >The two professors stated that they hope the opportunity to see and handle > exta-terrestial material will inspire students to take an academic >interest in the physical sciences. > >I plan to attend this afternoon's session and bring some planetaries and >the new Nevada record chondrite find with me. > >As mentioned...the sessions are open to the public. Listees who plan to >attend a session and would like to have a cup, or a glass, with me please >contact off List. > >Count Deiro >IMCA 3536 > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS ON DISPLAY - COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN NEVADA
Way to go Count! Are you going unannounced? I would love to see the looks on the professors face when they discover they have a meteorite celebrity in their class and he brought Nevada's largest stoney meteorite! I wish I could be there! (Still stuck in very rural Idaho) Tom In a message dated 4/5/2010 9:42:50 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, countde...@earthlink.net writes: Hello List, NASA provided "moon rocks" will be on display in Room C-123 at the Henderson Campus of the College of Southern Nevada located at 700 College Drive in Las Vegas, Nevada this week. Included with the lucite encased moon rocks will be a display of "hands on" meteorites for students and the public to inspect. Physics and Astronomy Professor Peter Lanagan and Chemistry Professor Charles Kotulski, who is NASA certified to handle moon samples, will give presentations open to students and the public: Today, April 5th from 3:20PM till 5:30PM Tuesday from 12:20PM till 2PM Thursday from 12:30PM till 2:30PM Friday from 9:00AM till 11:00AM The two professors stated that they hope the opportunity to see and handle exta-terrestial material will inspire students to take an academic interest in the physical sciences. I plan to attend this afternoon's session and bring some planetaries and the new Nevada record chondrite find with me. As mentioned...the sessions are open to the public. Listees who plan to attend a session and would like to have a cup, or a glass, with me please contact off List. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS ON DISPLAY - COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN NEVADA
Hello List, NASA provided "moon rocks" will be on display in Room C-123 at the Henderson Campus of the College of Southern Nevada located at 700 College Drive in Las Vegas, Nevada this week. Included with the lucite encased moon rocks will be a display of "hands on" meteorites for students and the public to inspect. Physics and Astronomy Professor Peter Lanagan and Chemistry Professor Charles Kotulski, who is NASA certified to handle moon samples, will give presentations open to students and the public: Today, April 5th from 3:20PM till 5:30PM Tuesday from 12:20PM till 2PM Thursday from 12:30PM till 2:30PM Friday from 9:00AM till 11:00AM The two professors stated that they hope the opportunity to see and handle exta-terrestial material will inspire students to take an academic interest in the physical sciences. I plan to attend this afternoon's session and bring some planetaries and the new Nevada record chondrite find with me. As mentioned...the sessions are open to the public. Listees who plan to attend a session and would like to have a cup, or a glass, with me please contact off List. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal?
I often say, "Wait for the qualifier." Thanks Mike. I stand corrected. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Mike Bandli wrote: > From: Mike Bandli > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? > To: "'Richard Kowalski'" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "'Greg Catterton'" > > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 7:45 PM > It is legal to own -some- moon-dust > stained items released by Astronauts, > which contain lunar material (at a microscopic level) - > Velcro, Beta Cloth, > etc.. They have long been sold by artifact dealers without > restriction. This > is the ONLY way to own 'moon dust' from Apollo. I've seen > some nice swatches > that contain those microscopic orange spherules of glass. > Neat stuff, but > I'd rather own a big chunk of lunar meteorite. > > Mike Bandli > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > IMCA #5765 > > -Original Message- > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Richard > Kowalski > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:32 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; > Greg Catterton > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? > > Greg, > > the first article you cite states it correctly. It is > illegal (in the US) to > own any lunar material that made it to earth via an Apollo > mission. It is > perfectly legal to own lunar material that makes it to > earth "naturally". > > -- > Richard Kowalski > http://fullmoonphotography.net > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Greg Catterton > wrote: > > > From: Greg Catterton > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:03 PM > > It seems Lunar Rock is a "controlled > > substance" and is illegal to own... > > http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/lunar-rocks-are-a-co.html > > http://www.geotimes.org/sept02/NN_moon.html > > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-12/976929331.As.r.html > > > > Is this true? What does it mean for Lunar Meteorites? > > Can anyone offer info about this? > > > > Thanks, and hope everyone has a great weekend (whats > left > > of it) > > Greg C. > > > > > > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal?
It is legal to own -some- moon-dust stained items released by Astronauts, which contain lunar material (at a microscopic level) - Velcro, Beta Cloth, etc.. They have long been sold by artifact dealers without restriction. This is the ONLY way to own 'moon dust' from Apollo. I've seen some nice swatches that contain those microscopic orange spherules of glass. Neat stuff, but I'd rather own a big chunk of lunar meteorite. Mike Bandli www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 7:32 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Greg Catterton Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? Greg, the first article you cite states it correctly. It is illegal (in the US) to own any lunar material that made it to earth via an Apollo mission. It is perfectly legal to own lunar material that makes it to earth "naturally". -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Greg Catterton wrote: > From: Greg Catterton > Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:03 PM > It seems Lunar Rock is a "controlled > substance" and is illegal to own... > http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/lunar-rocks-are-a-co.html > http://www.geotimes.org/sept02/NN_moon.html > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-12/976929331.As.r.html > > Is this true? What does it mean for Lunar Meteorites? > Can anyone offer info about this? > > Thanks, and hope everyone has a great weekend (whats left > of it) > Greg C. > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal?
Greg, the first article you cite states it correctly. It is illegal (in the US) to own any lunar material that made it to earth via an Apollo mission. It is perfectly legal to own lunar material that makes it to earth "naturally". -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Greg Catterton wrote: > From: Greg Catterton > Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 6:03 PM > It seems Lunar Rock is a "controlled > substance" and is illegal to own... > http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/lunar-rocks-are-a-co.html > http://www.geotimes.org/sept02/NN_moon.html > http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-12/976929331.As.r.html > > Is this true? What does it mean for Lunar Meteorites? > Can anyone offer info about this? > > Thanks, and hope everyone has a great weekend (whats left > of it) > Greg C. > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal?
I beg to differ that they are not rare any more. A single person could easily carry all of the known lunar meteorites on their back at once. If you compared to this to diamond production, you would need bulldozers and dumptrucks to care a single day's yield. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: "impact...@aol.com" To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 6:33:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal? Greg, Those articles are very old and outdated. The Geotimes article is dated Sept. 2002 The Madsci one is from Dec. 2000. Things heve changed, there are now over 50 known, different lunar meteorites. Not so rare anymore. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 9/12/2009 7:04:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes: It seems Lunar Rock is a "controlled substance" and is illegal to own... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/lunar-rocks-are-a-co.html http://www.geotimes.org/sept02/NN_moon.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-12/976929331.As.r.html Is this true? What does it mean for Lunar Meteorites? Can anyone offer info about this? Thanks, and hope everyone has a great weekend (whats left of it) Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal?
Greg, Those articles are very old and outdated. The Geotimes article is dated Sept. 2002 The Madsci one is from Dec. 2000. Things heve changed, there are now over 50 known, different lunar meteorites. Not so rare anymore. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 9/12/2009 7:04:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes: It seems Lunar Rock is a "controlled substance" and is illegal to own... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/lunar-rocks-are-a-co.html http://www.geotimes.org/sept02/NN_moon.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-12/976929331.As.r.html Is this true? What does it mean for Lunar Meteorites? Can anyone offer info about this? Thanks, and hope everyone has a great weekend (whats left of it) Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks illegal?
It seems Lunar Rock is a "controlled substance" and is illegal to own... http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/20/lunar-rocks-are-a-co.html http://www.geotimes.org/sept02/NN_moon.html http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2000-12/976929331.As.r.html Is this true? What does it mean for Lunar Meteorites? Can anyone offer info about this? Thanks, and hope everyone has a great weekend (whats left of it) Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS! (AD)
Hi All: Are you sure of the classification? They look like they may be material from Uranus. Best Steve - Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS! (AD)
Real cute Mr. Michael but you ain't no Tom. Bill > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:46:10 -0700 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS! (AD) > > Hi all, > We all can tell stories about taking a newbee friends or relative > out > to a strewn field and they find a meteorite. > Try to beat what my sister came up with. moon rocks! They are > about the size of a silver dollar. and she is selling them for $7 to > list members - which INCLUDES the shipping! > (You can order through me via paypal at my return address on this > post - I make nothing on them - just a favor to her - be sure to include > your address). > Check them out here: > > http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2733787920035542431GcHumT > > Best wishes, Michael > > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ONE-CLICK WEBMAIL ACCESS - Easily monitor & access your email accounts! Visit http://www.inbox.com/notifier and check it out! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MOON ROCKS! (AD)
Hi all, We all can tell stories about taking a newbee friends or relative out to a strewn field and they find a meteorite. Try to beat what my sister came up with. moon rocks! They are about the size of a silver dollar. and she is selling them for $7 to list members - which INCLUDES the shipping! (You can order through me via paypal at my return address on this post - I make nothing on them - just a favor to her - be sure to include your address). Check them out here: http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2733787920035542431GcHumT Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks: Precious, Illegal To Own ... and Missing
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=92540&ran=116298&tref=po Moon rocks: precious, illegal to own ... and missing By JOANNE KIMBERLIN The Virginian-Pilot September 22, 2005 HAMPTON - You'd probably kick it out of your path. Just a grayish, charcoal-size lump of lowly rock. Nothing to get worked up about, or even notice. Fact is, this rock is worth nearly 10 times its weight in top-grade diamonds. But you can't buy it - at least not legally - no matter how much money you have. Thirty-three years ago, the last men to walk on the moon plucked it from the lunar surface, wrestled it into their spacecraft and carried it 238,857 dark and frozen miles back to Earth. At the time, it was part of a much bigger rock - a 6-pounder collected for one special task: uniting the people of this planet. Dubbed the Goodwill Rock, it was cut into precisely measured, pea-sized pieces that were given to 135 countries, friend and foe alike, as symbols of hope for future harmony in a Cold War-world. Each of the 50 states received a tiny share of the Goodwill Rock as well. A limited number of larger, left-over chunks went on display around the globe. One found its way to the Virginia Air & Space Center in Hampton. There, it winks under a spotlight, sealed inside a NASA-built, nitrogen-filled container, protected by an outer cube of thick plexiglass and its own, personal alarm system. "It's very much our little jewel," said Allen Hoilman, the museum's curator. Scarcity makes moon rocks extremely precious on Earth. From 1969 to 1972, six Apollo lunar landings ferried back 842 pounds of rock, pebbles, sand and dust. Since then - with the exception of the gifts to governments - NASA has kept nearly every speck under its control. According to the space agency, none has ever been sold or given away - not even to the astronauts who fetched them. All of which makes moon rocks a red-hot commodity on the black market. While NASA says it can account for nearly every ounce of its share, most of the rocks given to other countries have vanished over the decades - many likely absorbed into the underground collections of the ultra-rich. Famed-auction house Sotheby's held the only legal sale of moon rocks ever recorded. The 1993 sale offered a few grains weighing a total of .3 grams - less than 1/100th of an ounce - part of a three-quarter-pound load retrieved by unmanned Russian probes during the race to space. The gavel banged at $442, 500. Hampton's rock weighs 159 grams - nearly 6 ounces. At Sotheby's rates, it's worth about $230 million. That's more than two times the cost of the most expensive masterpiece ever sold at auction - a Picasso that went for $104 million. All that was news to Hoilman. As a curator, he tries not to think about sale prices. He rubbed his jaw slowly, staring at the humdrum-looking rock with new reverence. "Oh my God," he said quietly. "I need a bigger alarm system." The Space Shuttle has made travel into the cosmos seem almost routine. Going to the moon remains anything but. Shuttle craft have a top altitude of 400 miles. The moon is nearly 600 times f arther. Only 12 men have ever stepped on its dusty surface. It's been more than three decades since anyone even tried. President Bush has announced intentions for America to return. Last week , NASA briefed Congress on its plans to do so. If approved, a lunar outpost could be established by 2020, a stepping stone for extending the human reach into the solar system. Moon rocks could become run-of-the-mill, particularly if commercial expeditions start carting them home. Collectors, however, say Apollo rocks will always be coveted. History blends with nostalgia to make them more than mere objects from outer space. More than 70 found-and-confirmed meteors have landed on Earth from the moon and Mars. But they don't command nearly the price, or evoke nearly the emotion. "The Apollo rocks represent what many have called the greatest achievement of man," said Robert Pearlman, author of a Houston-based Web site, collectspace.com, a regularly cited source in the industry. The first moon walk on July 20, 1969, remains a milestone memory for millions of people - an almost magical, black-and-white moment when "one small step" redefined the word "impossible." "There are only a handful of global events where you always remember exactly where you were when they happened," Pearlman said. "This is the only one that doesn't involve tragedy." NASA considers its Apollo stockpile "America's treasure." Most of the motherload - close to 657 pounds - remains in near-pristine condition inside a specially built complex at Houston's Johnson Space Center. Another 109 pounds is in remote storage at the space agency's White Sands Testing Facility in New Mexico - a precaution against man-made or natural threats at Johnson, like Hurricane Rita, bearing down on the Gulf Coast . Lewis Parker spent much of Wednesday battening down the hatches at the space center
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks' Valuation Gets Attention
http://www.floridatoday.com/news/space/stories/2003b/080703moonvalue.htm Moon rocks' valuation gets attention Free market may value 'priceless' items higher By John Kelly and Kelly Young FLORIDA TODAY August 7, 2003 ORLANDO -- They may look like charcoal briquettes, but moon rocks are more valuable than any Earthbound precious metal, judging by a court declaration issued Wednesday. Prosecutors and defense attorneys for two NASA interns accused of aiding in the theft of moon rocks and Martian meteorites from JSC agreed to value the substances at between $2.5 million and $7 million. In 1993, Sotheby's sold moon material brought back by an unmanned Soviet spacecraft at a price equivalent to about $2.2 million per gram. Using that standard, the 101.5 grams stolen from JSC might be worth as much as $223 million, though it's impossible to know what the true value would be since the merchandise in this case was stolen and might have had to be sold secretly -- basically on the black market. Gold was trading Wednesday at $352 per Troy ounce, or $11.33 per gram. So a comparable volume of gold would be worth $1,149. NASA has never placed a market value on the moon rocks. "We have no reason to do that," NASA spokesman Doc Mirelson said. According to NASA's Office of the Inspector General, the missing lunar samples were valued at about $1 million based on their use in scientific research. The Martian meteorites, part of a larger collection collected in Antarctica, were priced at $1.8 million based on their believed market value. For space enthusiasts, the more interesting element of the episode was figuring out the value of what many scientists and collectors deem priceless items. "Despite there being a moon for the picking just hanging in the sky, and even if we return to its surface someday to bring back more moon rocks, I believe the original 842 pounds returned on mankind's first 'giant leap' will always be more prized than future samples," said Robert Pearlman, editor of collectSPACE, an expert on space memorabilia. "It's paramount to owning a piece of Plymouth Rock, only on an interplanetary scale." The valuation occurred Tuesday just before the sentencing of two NASA interns, Tiffany Fowler and Shae Sauer, in U.S. District Court in Orlando on Wednesday. The two, who were found guilty of collaborating with two others to pilfer the space rocks and other items from Johnson Space Center and sell them, were sentenced to three years' probation. The other two defendants are Thad Roberts and Gordon McWhorter. The co-conspirators apparently were trying to sell the rocks on the Internet for between $1,000 and $10,000 per gram. Roberts boasted in a fax that he was offering the "world's largest private" and only "verifiable" Apollo rock collection. The fax went to an undercover agent he thought was a potential buyer. "I have been following 'legal' purchases of lunar meteorites, which currently sell for $4000.00/g," the fax said. The initial indictment of Roberts and McWhorter states, "NASA's lunar samples had a fair market value of between thousands of dollars per gram and hundreds of thousands of dollars per gram, depending upon, among other factors, the size, weight and quality of any particular sample." __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rocks Theft Also Involved Invaluable Journals
http://www.local6.com/orlpn/news/stories/news-224453120030603-050610.html Witness: Moon Rocks Theft Also Involved Invaluable Journals Associated Press June 3, 2003 ORLANDO, Fla. -- The theft of a collection of moon rocks and meteorites last summer also involved 33 years of hand-written notes by a top NASA scientist studying the origins of the universe, a federal jury was told Monday. The disappearance of the six green cloth-bound journals came out as a trial over the break-in at the Johnson Space Center in Houston got under way in Orlando. On trial is Gordon McWhorter, 27, who is accused of arranging the sale of the stolen items for Thad Roberts, a once-promising science student and aspiring astronaut from the University of Utah. Roberts, 26, and two others pleaded guilty to burglary. Roberts is to testify Tuesday against his old friend. The stolen items were recovered July 20 at a local hotel after undercover FBI agents used e-mails to negotiate their purchase. The writer of the missing journals, Everett K. Gibson Jr., described what was stolen as samples from each of the six Apollo lunar missions and pieces of what may be the most scientifically important rock in the world - a Martian meteorite found in 1984 in Antartica that Gibson said show signs of the possibility of life on Mars. The meteorite and more than 30 clear vials containing 101.5 grams of moon rocks are displayed in court in a green-and-gray fishing tackle box the burglars bought to carry the specimens aften taking them from Gibson's safe. Gibson testified via videotape because he was on assignment in London. The specimens were stolen July 15 by Roberts and two other NASA interns. One, Tiffany Fowler, testified Monday about the theft and their arrests. The third intern, Shae Lynn Saur, 19, is on the government's witness list for the trial. Roberts was portrayed in testimony elicited by defense attorney Daniel F. Daly of Tampa as a charismatic thrill seeker who persuaded Fowler and Saur to commit a crime that was totally out of character for the two college honor students. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
