Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock in the Oval Office
What a decision. Great. Joe Biden is now one of us. Am 21.01.2021 um 23:43 schrieb Daniel Noyes via Meteorite-list: President Biden has decorated the Oval Office with a Moon rock. Awesome! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/president-joe-biden-puts-a-moon-rock-in-the-oval-office-names-acting-nasa-administrator/ar-BB1cXVvM?ocid=uxbndlbing Be safe. Be well. Daniel Daniel Noyes Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com IMCA #6830 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon rock in the Oval Office
President Biden has decorated the Oval Office with a Moon rock. Awesome! https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/president-joe-biden-puts-a-moon-rock-in-the-oval-office-names-acting-nasa-administrator/ar-BB1cXVvM?ocid=uxbndlbing Be safe. Be well. Daniel Daniel Noyes Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks i...@moonmarsrocks.com www.moonmarsrocks.com IMCA #6830 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock Hunt with Apollo 15 Astronaut Al Warden
Hey Folks, Apollo 15 Astronaut Al Worden and I are putting together a team to go to the Sahara to hunt for lunar meteorites. Check out the Kickstarter program then feel free to privately ask me off list any questions you might have. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1141594225/hunt-for-moon-meteorites-with-apollo-15-astronaut Steve Arnold Host of Meteorite Men Sent from my iPhone__ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] moon-rock-related Moon Tree Celebration at LPL! Mark your calendars!
Greetings Meteorite and Space Program aficionados (we know you go hand-in-hand): I send an invitation to a very special Moon Tree Celebration on Friday, October 30 from 4:30-5:30 pm at the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory (LPL) in Tucson, AZ. It is free and open to the public! We know space program enthusiasts will be especially excited to come celebrate! (At 4 pm there will be a variety of exhibits and posters). As far as I know, this is the first time The University of Arizona's Moon Tree (eastern sycamore) has been officially honored since its planting. The keynote speaker is Jack Roosa, son of astronaut Stuart Roosa who took 400-500 seeds to the moon and back on Apollo 14 in 1971. The whereabouts of only 64 surviving trees are known around the world. Everyone is invited to this free event that is sure to have something for everyone as we celebrate interconnections to this special Tree via the Apollo program, founding of the Lunar Planetary Lab, poetry, tree science, and A.E. Douglass' contributions to both astronomy and dendrochronology. Afterwards we will screen the Desert Moon movie narrated by astronaut Mark Kelly and have a Star Party with Tucson Amateur Astronomy Association on the UA Mall. The event is jointly sponsored by the UA Poetry Center, UA Campus Arboretum and UA Lunar and Planetary Laboratory. For more information contact me and/or visit the Campus Arboretum website: http://arboretum.arizona.edu/celebrating-moon-tree. Hope to see you there! Dolores Hill Lunar Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona -- Dolores H. Hill Sr. Research Specialist Lunar Planetary Laboratory Kuiper Space Sciences Bldg. #92 The University of Arizona 1629 E. University Blvd. Tucson, AZ 85721 http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/ OSIRIS-REx Asteroid Sample Return Mission Communication Public Engagement Team Lead OSIRIS-REx Ambassadors program Co-lead OSIRIS-REx Target Asteroids! citizen science program Co-coordinator Target NEOs! observing program of the Astronomical League http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/ http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/?q=target_asteroids http://www.astroleague.org/files/u3/NEO_HomePage.pdf __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock
Recently took the kids to the Indiana State Museum. We saw three meteorites, a Campo, a Canyon Diablo and this tasty pure snow-white moon rock. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/019.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/021.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/020.jpg http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/022.jpg Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock
G'Day List Just in http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/05/nasa-moon-rock-woman-arres ted-riverside-sell.html Cheers John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock - Correction
Dear Friends, For one of the Moon Rock articles, I provided the wrong URL. The article and correct URL is: Purported moon rock that woman tried to sell must be tested for authenticity, NASA says. Los Angeles Times, May 20, 2011 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/05/nasa-moon-rock-sell.html My Apologies, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rock - Correction
G'Day Paul H. No apologies necessary. I thoroughly enjoy what you put up on the list. I have never had the chance to thank you for your efforts. Well done. Cheers John Cabassi IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Paul H. Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 7:29 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon Rock - Correction Dear Friends, For one of the Moon Rock articles, I provided the wrong URL. The article and correct URL is: Purported moon rock that woman tried to sell must be tested for authenticity, NASA says. Los Angeles Times, May 20, 2011 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/05/nasa-moon-rock-sell.html My Apologies, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock
It seems this comment made in the latest round of articles could be taken out of context: *** Moon rocks are classified as “national treasures” and federal law prohibits the sale of the artifacts. *** Although I agree that all Moon rocks should be considered national treasure, I disagree that federal law prohibits the sale of all of them. I have seen this phrase in the press several times over the years and wish they would clarify it. They should add that Meteorites from the Moon (Moon rocks) are perfectly legal to own and sell. They should also note that they are very important to science and that they are available for much less than 1.7 million a gram. There is something wrong with this latest story and it makes no sense to me. Perhaps Mrs. Curry is somehow involved. Probably just another case of the media doing a poor job which is normal these days. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
Dear Mr. Ensor: One of the reasons that Oceanus Procellarum was chosen as the 2nd Apollo lunar landing site, Apollo 12, was to help answer the red-blue question. Astronomers had noted that some of the maria of the eastern part of the Moon were bluish and while those on the west were reddish. (I use east and west in the terrestrial sense, not the astronomical sense - east is right, west is left.) One of the surprises of Apollo 11 (Mare Tranquillitatis) was that the basalts had very high concentrations of titanium-bearing minerals - ilmenite (FeO TiO2), ülvospinel (2FeO TiO2), and armalcolite ([Fe,Mg]O 2TiO2), a new mineral that was named after the Apollo 11 astronauts. Ever since, the Apollo 11 basalts have been called high-titanium basalts (as have the basalts of Apollo 17, which were collected on the edge of Mare Serenitatis, another blue area, as you note.) The Apollo 12 basalts had much lower concentrations of Ti. In mare Tranquillitatis, the Ti minerals dominate the color, making the basalts blue. At Apollo 12, pyroxene (a Fe,Mg,Ca silicate) dominates the color, making the basalts red. The color, thus, is dictated by silicates and oxides of metals (mainly Fe and Ti), not be free metal from meteorites. Earth-based spectroscopy of the near side as well as whole-moon spectroscopy by the Clementine mission show that high-Ti basalts are really not so common on the Moon. None of the basaltic lunar meteorites are composed of the high-Ti basalts. They're all low-Ti basalts or very-low-Ti (VLT) basalts. Sincerely, Randy Korotev At 10:21 05-05-07 Saturday, you wrote: Hi all, Not far back there was a discussion on the list about iron contentent in lunar samples/meteorites and I thought this seemed related. I have just been sent this email by a friend from my local astronomy society who is into astrophotography and wondered if any knowledgable people on the list would like to comment. I have never heard of of or seen this before and thought it sounded dubious. If anyone is interested in the photograph I could email it to you. email below... Last night (29-04-07) I managed to image the moon and process it in such a way that it brought out the lunar colours signifying different types of rock on the surface. There are two images attached to this email, one is an unprocessed one (almost black and white but it is in fact a colour image!) and the second has had the colour process done on it. The images are a stack of 31 frames taken with a C8-NGT/Moonlite CR-1 and a Canon EOS300D/MPCC combination. Each single image was at 100ASA and exp was 1/200th second. To achieve the colour processed the image was neutral colour balanced so that when the saturation was adjusted it didn't favour any one colour. Once done, the saturation was increased in three stages of +30 and then in a couple stages of +10. Once the final colour balance was achieved, the image was unsharp masked and contrast adjusted to achieve the final result. Checking information on the internet, the colours signify areas of differing amounts of metal in the basalts on the Mare regions, the bluer the area the more metal, the oranger the area the less metal. Mare Tranquilitatis is very blue in comparison to neighbouring Mare Serenitatis although round the edge of Serenitatis, the metal composite is higher around the edge of the shoreline in comparison to the centre of the sea. Mare Humorum (to the lower left) displays the opposite colourations to Mare Serenitatis. Sinus Iridum, on the other hand, is very clearly low on metals and has a distinct border with Oceanus Procellarum plateau and from the processed image Mare Frigoris, on the northern edge of the lunar face, is low on metal. Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ Randy L. Korotev phone: (314) 935-5637 Research Associate Professor fax: (314) 935-7361 Washington University in Saint Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Earth Planetary Sciences http://epsc.wustl.edu/ Everything you need to know about lunar meteorites: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
Hi Randy, Fascinating information...thanks. So can this data can help to narrow down whereabouts on the moon that the various lunar meteorites may have oiginated...or at least where they didnt come from? Regards Graham Ensor Randy Korotev wrote: Dear Mr. Ensor: One of the reasons that Oceanus Procellarum was chosen as the 2nd Apollo lunar landing site, Apollo 12, was to help answer the red-blue question. Astronomers had noted that some of the maria of the eastern part of the Moon were bluish and while those on the west were reddish. (I use east and west in the terrestrial sense, not the astronomical sense - east is right, west is left.) One of the surprises of Apollo 11 (Mare Tranquillitatis) was that the basalts had very high concentrations of titanium-bearing minerals - ilmenite (FeO TiO2), ülvospinel (2FeO TiO2), and armalcolite ([Fe,Mg]O 2TiO2), a new mineral that was named after the Apollo 11 astronauts. Ever since, the Apollo 11 basalts have been called high-titanium basalts (as have the basalts of Apollo 17, which were collected on the edge of Mare Serenitatis, another blue area, as you note.) The Apollo 12 basalts had much lower concentrations of Ti. In mare Tranquillitatis, the Ti minerals dominate the color, making the basalts blue. At Apollo 12, pyroxene (a Fe,Mg,Ca silicate) dominates the color, making the basalts red. The color, thus, is dictated by silicates and oxides of metals (mainly Fe and Ti), not be free metal from meteorites. Earth-based spectroscopy of the near side as well as whole-moon spectroscopy by the Clementine mission show that high-Ti basalts are really not so common on the Moon. None of the basaltic lunar meteorites are composed of the high-Ti basalts. They're all low-Ti basalts or very-low-Ti (VLT) basalts. Sincerely, Randy Korotev At 10:21 05-05-07 Saturday, you wrote: Hi all, Not far back there was a discussion on the list about iron contentent in lunar samples/meteorites and I thought this seemed related. I have just been sent this email by a friend from my local astronomy society who is into astrophotography and wondered if any knowledgable people on the list would like to comment. I have never heard of of or seen this before and thought it sounded dubious. If anyone is interested in the photograph I could email it to you. email below... Last night (29-04-07) I managed to image the moon and process it in such a way that it brought out the lunar colours signifying different types of rock on the surface. There are two images attached to this email, one is an unprocessed one (almost black and white but it is in fact a colour image!) and the second has had the colour process done on it. The images are a stack of 31 frames taken with a C8-NGT/Moonlite CR-1 and a Canon EOS300D/MPCC combination. Each single image was at 100ASA and exp was 1/200th second. To achieve the colour processed the image was neutral colour balanced so that when the saturation was adjusted it didn't favour any one colour. Once done, the saturation was increased in three stages of +30 and then in a couple stages of +10. Once the final colour balance was achieved, the image was unsharp masked and contrast adjusted to achieve the final result. Checking information on the internet, the colours signify areas of differing amounts of metal in the basalts on the Mare regions, the bluer the area the more metal, the oranger the area the less metal. Mare Tranquilitatis is very blue in comparison to neighbouring Mare Serenitatis although round the edge of Serenitatis, the metal composite is higher around the edge of the shoreline in comparison to the centre of the sea. Mare Humorum (to the lower left) displays the opposite colourations to Mare Serenitatis. Sinus Iridum, on the other hand, is very clearly low on metals and has a distinct border with Oceanus Procellarum plateau and from the processed image Mare Frigoris, on the northern edge of the lunar face, is low on metal. Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ Randy L. Korotev phone: (314) 935-5637 Research Associate Professor fax: (314) 935-7361 Washington University in Saint Louis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Department of Earth Planetary Sciences http://epsc.wustl.edu/ Everything you need to know about lunar meteorites: http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Moon rock?
Hi all, Not far back there was a discussion on the list about iron contentent in lunar samples/meteorites and I thought this seemed related. I have just been sent this email by a friend from my local astronomy society who is into astrophotography and wondered if any knowledgable people on the list would like to comment. I have never heard of of or seen this before and thought it sounded dubious. If anyone is interested in the photograph I could email it to you. email below... Last night (29-04-07) I managed to image the moon and process it in such a way that it brought out the lunar colours signifying different types of rock on the surface. There are two images attached to this email, one is an unprocessed one (almost black and white but it is in fact a colour image!) and the second has had the colour process done on it. The images are a stack of 31 frames taken with a C8-NGT/Moonlite CR-1 and a Canon EOS300D/MPCC combination. Each single image was at 100ASA and exp was 1/200th second. To achieve the colour processed the image was neutral colour balanced so that when the saturation was adjusted it didn't favour any one colour. Once done, the saturation was increased in three stages of +30 and then in a couple stages of +10. Once the final colour balance was achieved, the image was unsharp masked and contrast adjusted to achieve the final result. Checking information on the internet, the colours signify areas of differing amounts of metal in the basalts on the Mare regions, the bluer the area the more metal, the oranger the area the less metal. Mare Tranquilitatis is very blue in comparison to neighbouring Mare Serenitatis although round the edge of Serenitatis, the metal composite is higher around the edge of the shoreline in comparison to the centre of the sea. Mare Humorum (to the lower left) displays the opposite colourations to Mare Serenitatis. Sinus Iridum, on the other hand, is very clearly low on metals and has a distinct border with Oceanus Procellarum plateau and from the processed image Mare Frigoris, on the northern edge of the lunar face, is low on metal. Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
I can't speak to the specifics of which metal maps to which colour, but there are definite colour varations on the lunar surface which can be imaged. With a programme like Virtual Moon Atlass (free download) you can highlight areas high in Iron, Hydrogen, Potassium etc. There's a photo of mine here http://astro.annasach.net/moon.html ...along with a comparison from VMA highlighting the same date. Mark ensoramanda wrote: Hi all, Not far back there was a discussion on the list about iron contentent in lunar samples/meteorites and I thought this seemed related. I have just been sent this email by a friend from my local astronomy society who is into astrophotography and wondered if any knowledgable people on the list would like to comment. I have never heard of of or seen this before and thought it sounded dubious. If anyone is interested in the photograph I could email it to you. email below... Last night (29-04-07) I managed to image the moon and process it in such a way that it brought out the lunar colours signifying different types of rock on the surface. There are two images attached to this email, one is an unprocessed one (almost black and white but it is in fact a colour image!) and the second has had the colour process done on it. The images are a stack of 31 frames taken with a C8-NGT/Moonlite CR-1 and a Canon EOS300D/MPCC combination. Each single image was at 100ASA and exp was 1/200th second. To achieve the colour processed the image was neutral colour balanced so that when the saturation was adjusted it didn't favour any one colour. Once done, the saturation was increased in three stages of +30 and then in a couple stages of +10. Once the final colour balance was achieved, the image was unsharp masked and contrast adjusted to achieve the final result. Checking information on the internet, the colours signify areas of differing amounts of metal in the basalts on the Mare regions, the bluer the area the more metal, the oranger the area the less metal. Mare Tranquilitatis is very blue in comparison to neighbouring Mare Serenitatis although round the edge of Serenitatis, the metal composite is higher around the edge of the shoreline in comparison to the centre of the sea. Mare Humorum (to the lower left) displays the opposite colourations to Mare Serenitatis. Sinus Iridum, on the other hand, is very clearly low on metals and has a distinct border with Oceanus Procellarum plateau and from the processed image Mare Frigoris, on the northern edge of the lunar face, is low on metal. Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
How about this: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060907.html Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
Thanks Stephan...compares well to his shot...will give him the link. Seems it is related to chemical makeup of the moon itself then and not influenced by the continuous rain of nickel iron as meteorites. He thought there may be a connection. Graham Stefan Brandes wrote: How about this: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060907.html Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
Hi Graham and all, as far as I can remember, false color pictures of the Moon have been used as a bi-dimensional visual tool for lunar geochemistry since the '60s, by Ewin Withaker, Dale Cruickshank and other folks at the famous Lunar and Planetary Lab in Tucson. They used to sandwich negative IR plates and positive UV plates (or the reverse, maybe) of the Moon and the final B/W product was a stunning picture that revealed the compositional provinces of variuos areas of our satellite. Many years later the same concept has been extended to the remote sensing by orbiting or fly-bying space probes (Clementine, Galileo), getting a far better color discrimination of the lunar chemical provinces. The use of modern electronic equipment has put this technique in the range of amateur astronomers as well, with many beautiful results already published in the net. A nice web page is given by Filipe Alves (sorry, I didn't keep its URL, but you should be able to find it anyway). That's definitely a compositional bulk effect, thus, but one cannot exclude in principle a small contribution of meteoritic origin to the spectral reflectance of the lunar surface (something like that has been advocated also for the martian surface some time ago, if I remember correctly). Hope this brief account will help. Leandro Osservatorio Astronomico Colle Leone IMCA #2689 Message: 4 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 00:39:56 +0100 From: ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock? To: Stefan Brandes [EMAIL PROTECTED], Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks Stephan...compares well to his shot...will give him the link. Seems it is related to chemical makeup of the moon itself then and not influenced by the continuous rain of nickel iron as meteorites. He thought there may be a connection. Graham Stefan Brandes wrote: How about this: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060907.html Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock entry on Wikipedia
I know the subject has been addressed in the past about Wikipedia and it's accuracy. Take a look at the last link at the bottom of the page on Moon Rock. Interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_sample K. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rock entry on Wikipedia
The most interesting thing is that noone spotted that link earlier, it's been there since august. I took the liberty to remove the link to BCC meteorite page and substitute it with a more proper link. Anyone who wants to see the original page Karin wrote about just have to click on the history tab on top of the page and select an older version. I also removed the link on the page about lunar meteorites. Wikipedia isn't better than the contributions from it's users but with enough honest people it's a tremendous resource. Eventually errors and frauds will be spotted and corrected. I think there could be a lot of contributions in the meteorite category. Why not pick a subject and write some facts, it isn't hard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Meteorites /Göran Karin Hughes wrote: I know the subject has been addressed in the past about Wikipedia and it's accuracy. Take a look at the last link at the bottom of the page on Moon Rock. Interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_sample K. _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon rock thief sorry (that he was caught)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/orl-locmoonrock12021205feb12,1,3740121.story?coll=orl-news-headlinesctrack=1cset=true Moon-rock thief says he's sorry The man behind the 2002 theft apologizes to a mentor. A judge trims his sentence. By Henry Pierson Curtis | Sentinel Staff Writer Posted February 12, 2005 Thad Roberts, the mastermind behind the 2002 theft of NASA moon rocks, returned to Central Florida on Friday with a new credit on his rsum: founder of what may be the only astronomy club in the federal prison system. Since being sentenced more than a year ago, the once-promising doctoral candidate has been allowed out of his cell at night only once to study the stars. I miss being part of your world, he told internationally recognized NASA scientist Everett K. Gibson Jr., the mentor he betrayed. I know what I did is perhaps unforgivable for the rest of your life. Gibson listened from benches in the back of U.S. District Judge Anne's C. Conway's courtroom without acknowledging the apology. He flew in for the day from Houston to testify one last time against Roberts, who was being re-sentenced for stealing specimens described as priceless national treasures. Sentenced in 2003 to eight years, Roberts, 28, won a re-sentencing when an appeals court ruled Conway had erred by giving him more time than the federal sentencing guidelines permitted without adequately determining whether his crime greatly disrupted NASA operations. Conway amended the original sentence Friday, reducing it by 10 months. In July 2002, Roberts and two other interns stole a 585-pound safe containing moon rocks and Martian meteorites worth at least $21 million from Gibson's laboratory at Johnson Space Center. They also destroyed about 30 years' worth of Gibson's research records. The case was tried in Orlando because Roberts and two co-defendants were arrested a week after the theft when they tried to sell the missing specimens to undercover FBI agents at an area hotel. Friday's hearing determined that the theft destroyed the value of the rocks as research specimens, because the theft broke a chain of custody that began the moment astronauts picked the rocks off the surface of the moon in 1969. The hearing set the cost of the theft to NASA, taxpayers and Gibson at about $7 million in lost research and productivity. The crime also created a suspicion that persists at the space agency about interns recruited from the smartest science students in the United States to work at NASA. Sir, we are all having serious thoughts about interns in our laboratories now, testified Gibson, who now permits just one intern to work near his research. We do not allow him to work alone. Roberts told the court Friday that his goal is to receive a doctorate and try to find a way to make a positive contribution to the scientific community. His scientific pretension left Roberts defenseless to a cross-examination by Assistant U.S. Attorney Bruce Hinshelwood, who asked Roberts for his evaluation as a scientist of the comparative research value of the moon rocks before and after their theft. I can't say, Roberts answered. That's the point, isn't it? Hinshelwood responded. Nothing further, your honor. Before re-sentencing Roberts, Conway said she believes he knows the location of Gibson's stolen research records despite his claims to the contrary. She then declared that his crime had, in fact, greatly disrupted NASA operations. Roberts may not be returned to the minimum-security prison camp in Colorado, where he started his astronomy club, according to the federal Bureau of Prisons. A prison spokeswoman was not aware of any similar clubs. Henry Pierson Curtis can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 407-420-5257. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rock Stolen in Malta
Hi All, Looks like our buddy that visited Brazil is busy again ;-) --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rock Stolen in Malta
$5 million in US dollars for a raisin size moon rock? That seems a bit inflated...even for a piece picked up on the moon. Otherwise we have had some pretty good deals lately for less than a $1,000/g. Maybe I need to buy some more? John Reactions to the theft of the moon rock in Malta By MaltaMedia News, May 21, 2004, 18:44 CET http://www.maltamedia.com/news/2004/ln/article_1877.shtml News: $5M Moon Rock Stolen From Malta Museum Fri, 21 May 2004, LinuXProX http://www.overclockersclub.com/?read=8515649 Moon Rock Stolen from Malta Museum The Scotsman http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2957784 A tiny moon rock believed to be worth about £3 million has been stolen from a Maltese museum, 30 years after US President Richard Nixon donated it to the Mediterranean island nation. Yours, Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Domains Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions.yahoo.com/offer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock Returns To Honduras
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/world/americas/8074265.htm Moon rock on a roll: to Honduras Miami Herald March 1, 2004 Honduran President Ricardo Maduro over the weekend was presented with a tiny lunar rock that made a meandering journey through Central America and South Florida -- passing through the hands of a Broward businessman -- after it was plucked from the moon by Apollo astronauts and given to Honduras by President Nixon in 1973. ''Thank you for returning this material that is so valuable to the world,'' said Maduro, in a ceremony on Saturday attended by NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe and Peruvian astronaut Carlos Noriega. The rock, scooped off the moon and presented to Honduran dictator Gen. Osvaldo López Arellano, was sold by a retired Honduran colonel to Alan J. Rosen, a businessman who lived in Pembroke Pines, in 1996. Rosen offered $20,000 plus a truck worth $10,000. Federal agents heard Rosen was trying to unload the rock and, in a raid, recovered the rock from an Aventura bank vault. Rosen was not charged. NASA had turned over the moon rock to the Honduran ambassador in September after a federal court ruled the chunk rightfully belonged to Honduras. For a while after Honduras was given the rock, it was displayed in the presidential residence, mounted inside a transparent globe on a wooden plaque bearing the Honduran flag. But it disappeared sometime between 1990 and 1994 and was not recovered until 1998. Confiscated from Rosen and tested for authenticity by NASA, the 3.5-billion-year-old rock stayed in the United States during a four-year court battle for possession. The rock, which measures about half an inch in length, will be placed on public exhibition in the Centro Interactivo Chiminike, an education center in the Honduran capital of Tegucigalpa that receives hundreds of young student visitors a day. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock Thief Given 8 Years
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-asecmoonrocks30103003oct30,0,1501752.story Moon-rock thief given 8 years By Henry Pierson Curtis Orlando Sentinel October 30, 2003 The mastermind of last year's theft of moon rocks from NASA described himself Wednesday as a naïve, academic prodigy who took underutilized specimens so he could teach others about the wonders of science. At his sentencing in federal court in Orlando, Thad Ryan Roberts declared that he had never intended to hurt anyone. But his apology didn't earn him a minute off his sentence. U.S. District Judge Anne C. Conway nearly doubled the sentence recommended by federal guidelines. She sent Roberts to prison for eight years and four months for the burglary that destroyed the scientific usefulness of lunar and Martian specimens valued at a minimum of $21 million. That still does not come anywhere near giving the public the kind of punishment that should be given for such a loss, she said. In July 2002, Roberts, 26, and two other interns for the National Aeronautics and Space Administration stole a 585-pound safe containing the specimens from a laboratory at the Johnson Space Center in Houston. An accomplice in Utah advertised the rocks for sale on the Internet. A rock collector in Belgium alerted the FBI, who arrested three of the conspirators in Orlando and the fourth in Texas. Scientific value an issue The collection included a tiny piece of a meteorite, ALH84001, that many scientists think holds signs of possible life on Mars. Conway referred to the handful of rock chips as priceless national treasures, as she had at the earlier sentencings of Roberts' three co-defendants. Months ago, she announced her intention to treat Roberts more harshly because of his leadership role and because he lured others to break the law. Mr. Roberts, in my opinion, is a master manipulator, said Conway, who ordered Roberts to undergo mental-health treatment in prison. Contrary to the judge's estimation of the rocks' value, Roberts' lawyer, John Edwards Fernandez of Tampa, compared them to discarded fossil fragments and exhibits stored out of public view in museum basements. His client's mistake was a momentary lapse in judgment, prompted by taking such items in the past to show to others, he said. Hearing himself described as a manipulator by the judge appeared to upset Roberts. Screenplay in works Your honor, I believe your image of me is very shaded. It makes me uncomfortable to speak to you, he said, before making a lengthy apology in the nearly empty courtroom to his heroes and mentors at the space agency. One of those heroes was the same NASA scientist who Conway said was one of the most seriously aggrieved victims. The burglars destroyed 30 years of research notes written by Everett K. Gibson Jr. Those notebooks were in the safe with the moon rocks. Dr. Gibson was practically in tears on the stand because everything he had worked on for years was all for nothing, she said. From now on, . . . there's nothing further he can do, and he can't even write a book. I guess Mr. Roberts is the only one who is going to be able to write a book on this because he [Gibson] doesn't have his notebooks anymore. Since his arrest in July 2002, Roberts has been writing a screenplay in the Lake County Jail about his life and stealing the moon rocks. Defense lawyer Daniel F. Daly, who saw the draft, described it as an Indiana Jones-style fantasy. Reached in Texas, Gibson declined to discuss the impact the burglary would have on NASA's intern program, which recruits the country's top college science students. Gibson said he can't discuss the case until the courts hear an appeal by accomplice Sean McWhorter, 27, who is serving five years and 10 months in federal prison. The stolen specimens lost their scientific value when the burglars contaminated them by handling them and exposing them to the Earth's atmosphere. It's sad young people's lives have been disrupted by these irrational acts, Gibson said. We will now get on with things. According to court records and his lawyer, Roberts was working on degrees in geology, geophysics and physics at the University of Utah when he was hired to work in a temporary capacity at NASA. His lawyer said the former Eagle Scout had a history of being a self-starter, and founded an astronomy club, rode his bicycle from Utah to California to raise $10,000 for cystic-fibrosis research and learned to fly airplanes. Hints of strife in his life came out in Wednesday's hearing. Roberts was disowned by his family over a religious dispute and then left the Mormon church, according to testimony. The family dispute arose after Roberts told them he had had sex with his high-school sweetheart. The admission forced him to drop out of missionary duty during a break from college. Roberts and his sweetheart, Kaydee, were married from 1996 until 2002, the same year he began an affair
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock Thief Gets More Than 8 Years In Federal Prison
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/sfl-1029moonrock,0,1422541.story?coll=sfla-news-florida Moon-rock thief gets more than 8 years in federal prison Associated Press October 29, 2003 ORLANDO -- The last of four people convicted of stealing moon rocks out of a NASA safe and trying to sell them was sentenced Wednesday to more than eight years in federal prison. Thad Roberts, 26, a former intern at the Johnson Space Center in Houston, pleaded guilty in December to stealing the rocks, which have been valued at between $2.5 and $7 million. Besides the sentence of eight-year, four-month sentence, the former University of Utah student must serve three years of probation and perform 150 hours of community service. Roberts offered to sell ``priceless moon rocks'' collected by Apollo astronauts in 1969 and the early 1970s for $1,000 to $5,000 a gram. Investigators found Roberts and his three coconspirators after they placed an ad in May 2002 on the Web site of the Mineralogy Club of Antwerp, Belgium. Two months later, a 600-pound safe containing moon rocks from every Apollo mission was discovered missing from the space center. Officials said the inventory offered by the suspects came from the safe. Also stolen were 33 years of handwritten notes by a top NASA scientist studying the origins of the universe. The stolen items were recovered in July 2002 at an Orlando hotel after undercover FBI agents used e-mails to negotiate their purchase. Roberts' coconspirators and fellow interns Gordon Sean McWhorter, Tiffany Fowler and Shae Sauer have all been convicted. McWhorter was sentenced to five years and 10 months in jail, while Fowler and Sauer were sentenced to 180 days house arrest and ordered to pay more than $9,000 restitution to the space agency. - http://www.local6.com/news/2590252/detail.html Last Of 4 Moon Rock Thieves Sentenced Lunar Items Valued Between $2.5 and $7 Million local6.com October 29, 2003 The last of four people convicted of stealing moon rocks out of a 600-pound safe inside a lab at Houston's Johnson Space Center received his sentence Wednesday, according to Local 6 News. Thad Roberts, 26, who pleaded guilty to stealing the space rocks, which have been valued at between $2.5 million and $7 million, will spend the next eight years and four months in prison. The sentence will be followed by three years on a supervised release program. In court, Roberts said he was ashamed and apologized to NASA for abusing the trust he had with co-workers there. His attorney said they will likely appeal the sentence. The value of the moon rocks, which came from every Apollo mission from 1969 to 1972, was based upon what it cost the U.S. government to go get them back in the 1960s and 1970s. The U.S. District Court in Orlando determined that, in 1962-1973 dollars, it cost $50,800 per gram to collect the lunar samples, Local 6 News partner Florida Today reported. The government recovered 101.5 grams of stolen rock. So the value assigned to the rocks was set at $5.1 million. The co-conspirators apparently were trying to sell the rocks on the Internet for between $1,000 and $10,000 per gram. The FBI in Tampa began investigating the moon rock theft in May 2002 after being tipped off by a Belgian investor. In a fax sent to potential investors, Roberts boasted that he was offering the world's largest private and only verifiable Apollo rock collection. The fax went to an undercover agent he thought was a potential buyer. Roberts' co-conspirators and fellow interns Gordon Sean McWhorter, Tiffany Fowler and Shae Sauer have all been convicted. McWhorter was sentenced to five years and 10 months in jail, while Fowler and Sauer were sentenced to 180 days house arrest and ordered to pay more than $9,000 restitution to the space agency. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon-Rock Peddler Sentenced To 6 Years
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-locmoonrock27082703aug27,0,5343002.story?coll=orl-news-headlines Moon-rock peddler sentenced to 6 years By Henry Pierson Curtis Orlando Sentinel August 27, 2003 Advertising moon rocks for sale on the Internet and then skipping trial cost a Utah man almost six years of freedom Tuesday. Gordon Sean McWhorter's family continued to proclaim his innocence after U.S. District Judge Anne C. Conway sentenced him to 70 months in prison for a crime that shook NASA's research community. I'm proud of him, his mother, Riki Thoreson, said after the afternoon hearing in federal court in Orlando. Why should he take a plea [bargain] when he didn't steal anything? In June a jury convicted McWhorter, 27, in last year's theft of lunar specimens and meteorites from NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. The rocks were stolen by three summer interns working for NASA, including McWhorter's close friend, Thad Roberts, who planned the crime. Roberts, 26, and interns Shae Saur, 20, and Tiffany Fowler, 23, broke into a locked laboratory and stole a 600-pound safe containing about four ounces of moon rock specimens. For the purposes of this case only, the U.S. Attorney's Office and defense lawyers stipulated the lunar specimens and a Martian meteorite were worth at least $5.1 million in 1973 dollars. The 2003 value would have been $21 million, if inflation had been included. A true market value was not established. McWhorter, a self-described vagabond, did not take part in the theft but offered the specimens for sale on the Internet, prosecutors said. He tried to protect himself from arrest by creating a false identity on an Internet e-mail service. A Belgian rock collector spotted McWhorter's offer on a Web site and alerted the FBI in Tampa. Agents lured Roberts, Fowler and McWhorter to Orlando, where they were arrested and the specimens were recovered. Saur was arrested later in Texas. All but McWhorter pleaded guilty. Originally scheduled to stand trial in April, McWhorter did not show up in Orlando. When he was arrested three days later in Utah, McWhorter claimed he was the biblical figure Job. His mental competence was not an issue during his trial. On Aug. 6, Saur and Fowler were sentenced to six months of house arrest and three years of probation. They received terms that were less than what are recommended by federal sentencing guidelines because Conway ruled that both women had never been in trouble before and played minor roles in the crime. After Tuesday's sentencing, McWhorter's mother and Corinne Sullivan, a family friend, said that he would not knowingly take part in a crime. They described him as a gentle intellectual who wrote stories for children and helped the homeless wherever he went. The two blamed Roberts, a fellow Utah native, for duping McWhorter. Roberts, who remains held without bail in the Lake County Jail, awaits sentencing on Oct. 29. Henry Pierson Curtis can be reached at 407-420-5257 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon-Rock Plotter Guilty
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/orl-locmoon05060503jun05,0,5512064.story Moon-rock plotter guilty By Henry Pierson Curtis Orlando Sentinel June 5, 2003 The moon-rock caper ended Wednesday in federal court in Orlando with guilty verdicts for the last of four thieves. Yet sentencing must wait until the court determines the market value for extraterrestrial specimens later this summer. This will be the first time a price has been set on lunar rocks. So Gordon McWhorter returned to his cell at the Seminole County Jail without knowing whether his crime would rank among the world's most potentially lucrative, yet ludicrous, burglaries. He faces up to 25 years in prison; the value of the stolen rocks will help determine the length of his sentence. A single nugget in the booty lifted from the Johnson Space Center in Houston last July by the gang, who may have the highest IQ but the least common sense in history, is worth at least $1.4 million. That quarter-ounce of space debris turned out to be a sample of ALH84001, a Martian meteorite, which scientists say may show signs of life on the red planet. Stealing it was the equivalent of grabbing the Mona Lisa because there was no place to sell the one-of-a-kind item without getting caught, according to three days of testimony by National Aeronautics and Space Administration scientists. The rest of the booty would have flooded the international collecting market with 101.5 grams of previously unavailable moon rocks. The collection could be worth more than $500 million, according to some estimates. Trying to find willing buyers, the three super-bright NASA interns who were McWhorter's accomplices had him offer the rocks on the Internet for as little as $2,000 a gram. The price was more than 200 times lower than the only public sale of lunar material when, in 1993, Sotheby's auctioned three flecks weighing less than a gram for $442,500. The former interns, Thad Roberts, 26, of Utah, Tiffany Fowler, 23, and Shae Lynn Saur, 20, both of Texas, pleaded guilty after their arrests last year to conspiracy to commit theft and interstate transportation of stolen property. They were part of a summer program in which NASA hires top science students from U.S. colleges. The trio will be sentenced Aug. 5, the same day as the evidentiary hearing to set the market value of the stolen rocks. McWhorter, 27, of Utah, stood trial, claiming that he didn't learn the moon rocks were stolen until the day he was arrested trying to sell them in Orlando. McWhorter, Roberts and Fowler were caught trying to negotiate the sale to two undercover FBI agents. Assistant U.S. Attorney Rachelle DesVaux Bedke convinced the 12-member jury in U.S. District Judge Anne C. Conway's courtroom that McWhorter willingly joined the conspiracy to steal and sell the rocks. Wild horses couldn't keep me away, she said, quoting an e-mail McWhorter wrote to ringleader Roberts of his intent to attend the sale. Defense lawyer Daniel F. Daly of Tampa said he intends to appeal the verdict. McWhorter will be sentenced Aug. 27. Henry Pierson Curtis can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 407-420-5257. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Rock vs. Carrot?
Hello Everyone, This auction doesn't have "meteorite" in the title, so it may have been overlooked by meteorite enthusiasts: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2124794835 Walter ---Walter Branch, Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA 31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] Moon rock at center of legal battle...CNN article
CNN article link: http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/06/29/moon.rock.lawsuit.ap/index.html - MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- In a cross between science fiction and a children's tale, a moon rock gets dug up from its peaceful valley, flies aboard Apollo 17 to Earth, visits Honduras and winds up in a U.S. court. A fingertip-sized moon rock, brought to earth aboard Apollo 17, could be worth millions of dollars. Happy reading. Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
