Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Mike, Can I get a Ferrari, too, even though I don't have any Euros? Do you take food stamps? Paul Swartz http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/car.jpg Matteo, here is a photo of a Ferrari I have for sale. Send me 500 Euros, then I will send you a contract for purchase and shipping details. I am selling this car for charity for little starving children. See how easy that is? Michael Farmer ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Make sure Matteo understands that he pays the shipping up front before you will ship! Great laugh, Dave F. Michael Farmer wrote: http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/car.jpg Matteo, here is a photo of a Ferrari I have for sale. Send me 500 Euros, then I will send you a contract for purchase and shipping details. I am selling this car for charity for little starving children. See how easy that is? Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
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and this is all to seen --- Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi All, I don't have a copy of Bartlett's' Famous Quotations here at work, but from memory, P.T. Barnum did not say that there is a sucker born every minute. He said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mike, List, I have to quarrel with your arithmetic, Mike. A sucker a day is only 365 new suckers a year, and the population of suckers is far too great to have been created at that rate. The great Phineas T. Barnum is the source of that quote, and I believe that he said, There's a sucker born every minute, Even that is only 525,960 new suckers a year, which sounds a little on the shy side to me. But I'll take old Phineas' word for it; he knew his suckers. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia A sucker is born every day. Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list
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Hi All, This quote has been taken out of context. My post was: Hi All, I don't have a copy of Bartlett's' Famous Quotations here at work, but from memory, P.T. Barnum did not say that there is a sucker born every minute. He said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. This is not to be taken as a slam on my home country the United States of America! This is no slam on the other Americas: North, Central and South either. P.T. Barnum no doubt used the word American because he was in the business of running carnivals and such in the United States of America, not on an international scale. I am quite patriotic and firmly believe that I am one lucky man to be born in the United States of America. Sincerely, Pat Brown --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and this is all to seen --- Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes .from memory, P.T. Barnum did not say that there is a sucker born every minute. He said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public Pretty sure that the latter quote is H. L. Mencken.uhwho once wondered something about meteorites. :) Bruce _ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466moid=7581 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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A sucker is born every day. Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
http://meteoriteguy.com/ebayauctionstockphotos/car.jpg Matteo, here is a photo of a Ferrari I have for sale. Send me 500 Euros, then I will send you a contract for purchase and shipping details. I am selling this car for charity for little starving children. See how easy that is? Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Hi, Mike, List, I have to quarrel with your arithmetic, Mike. A sucker a day is only 365 new suckers a year, and the population of suckers is far too great to have been created at that rate. The great Phineas T. Barnum is the source of that quote, and I believe that he said, There's a sucker born every minute, Even that is only 525,960 new suckers a year, which sounds a little on the shy side to me. But I'll take old Phineas' word for it; he knew his suckers. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia A sucker is born every day. Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla
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of the day. Rather than upping his offer, Barnum hired a crew of workers to carve a giant of his own. Within a short time, Barnum unveiled HIS giant and proclaimed that Hannum had sold Barnum the original giant and that Hannum was now displaying a fake! Thousands of people flocked to see Barnum's giant. Many newspapers carried the version that Barnum had given them; that is, Hannum's giant was a fake and Barnum's was authentic. It is at this point that Hannum -- NOT BARNUM -- was quoted as saying There's a sucker born every minute. Hannum, still under the impression that HIS giant was authentic, was referring to the thousands of fools that paid money to see Barnum's fake and not his authentic one. Hannum brought a lawsuit against Barnum for calling his giant a fake. When it came to trial, Hull stepped forward and confessed that the Cardiff Giant was a hoax and the entire story. The judge ruled that Barnum could not be sued for calling Hannum's giant a fake since it was a fake after all. Thereafter, Hannum's name was lost to history while Barnum was left with the misplaced stigma of being the one to say There's a sucker born every minute. - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia Hi, Mike, List, I have to quarrel with your arithmetic, Mike. A sucker a day is only 365 new suckers a year, and the population of suckers is far too great to have been created at that rate. The great Phineas T. Barnum is the source of that quote, and I believe that he said, There's a sucker born every minute, Even that is only 525,960 new suckers a year, which sounds a little on the shy side to me. But I'll take old Phineas' word for it; he knew his suckers. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia A sucker is born every day. Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague
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Sterling wrote: Hi, Mike, List, I have to quarrel with your arithmetic, Mike. Hi Sterling, Please don't quarrel with Mike's thoughts, there's been enough quarreling and provocations already. No arithmetic intended nor was he referencing PT Barnum, etc. (Interesting post, Susan!) It was in response only one person chasing obviously too good to be true Internet deals in earnest. Rather than bemusing how many suckers are in the world, it suggested in a relatively tactful way that (one) (person) born (on July 24) got suckered (out of 100 Euros). The only predicate you could logically dispute in an ancillary manner, is whether you think there is a day when a sucker weren't born. That could prove difficult. Unless you are a paleontologist who wants to extrapolate into the past and believes there weren't enough gullible dinosaurs,etc. on order to be eaten for dinner :-)...Or I suppose you could dispute whether it weren't a sucker's deal (hehehe, good luck, amigo, though we can hope for him) Logically, Mike's statement with quantifiers might be illustrated like: (There exists) a sucker is born (for each) day. It doesn't restrict, as in your logically flawed and inaccurate repetition which formed the basis for and assumption investigated in your post: (One and only one sucker) is born every day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existential_quantification A thought is born every day, Back to meteorites, Best Health, Doug - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb To: Michael Farmer Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia Hi, Mike, List, I have to quarrel with your arithmetic, Mike. A sucker a day is only 365 new suckers a year, and the population of suckers is far too great to have been created at that rate. The great Phineas T. Barnum is the source of that quote, and I believe that he said, There's a sucker born every minute, Even that is only 525,960 new suckers a year, which sounds a little on the shy side to me. But I'll take old Phineas' word for it; he knew his suckers. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: M come Meteorite Meteorites Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia A sucker is born every day. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Mike and List: Mike, thanks for the additional info, and congrats on your recent pallasite discovery. It was my impression from the outset that this Russian offer was more than likely a scam. I wanted to share what I'd found out, just in case anyone else on the List is considering sending money to this individual, but is perhaps not as naturally suspicious as you and me : ) The whole thing sounded fishy at best. It must take a lot of legwork to brush up on rare/desirable materials in different fields of collecting, and them run that type of scam. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. I am with you 100% on that. Regards, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
