Re: [meteorite-list] NASA & Dept. of Defense

2011-06-27 Thread Becky and Kirk
I stand "partially" corrected. Although designated, perhaps as a civilian 
agency by the 1958 decree, NASA still must operate within & under the 
defense security act of the Dept. of  Defense.


Kirk.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kelly Beatty" 
To: "'Becky and Kirk'" ; 


Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NASA & Dept. of Defense



Kirk...

In fact, NASA already IS part of the Dept. of Defense. With a quick check 
of

NASA's charter, it clearly defines that NASA operates "officially" under
Dept. of Defense jurisdiction.


uh, no. NASA was expressly set up to be a civilian agency. the "NATIONAL
AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ACT OF 1958" (as amended) is here:
http://history.nasa.gov/spaceact-legishistory.pdf

it says, in part: "...such activities shall be the responsibility of, and 
shall

be directed by, a civilian agency exercising control over aeronautical and
space activities sponsored by the United States, except that activities
peculiar to or primarily associated with the development of weapons 
systems,

military operations, or the defense of the United States (including the
research and
development necessary to make effective provision for the defense of the 
United

States) shall be the responsibility of, and shall be directed by, the
Department of Defense; and that determination as to which such agency has
responsibility for and direction of any such activity shall be made by the
President..."

initially there was a National Space Council, chaired by the Vice 
President, on

which the Secretary of Defense was a member; and initially there was a
Civilian-Military Liaison Committee. both have since been abolished.


clear skies,
Kelly


J. Kelly Beatty
Senior Contributing Editor
SKY & TELESCOPE
617-416-9991
SkyandTelescope.com



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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA & Dept. of Defense

2011-06-27 Thread Kelly Beatty
Kirk...

> In fact, NASA already IS part of the Dept. of Defense. With a quick check of 
> NASA's charter, it clearly defines that NASA operates "officially" under 
> Dept. of Defense jurisdiction.

uh, no. NASA was expressly set up to be a civilian agency. the "NATIONAL
AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ACT OF 1958" (as amended) is here:
http://history.nasa.gov/spaceact-legishistory.pdf

it says, in part: "...such activities shall be the responsibility of, and shall
be directed by, a civilian agency exercising control over aeronautical and
space activities sponsored by the United States, except that activities
peculiar to or primarily associated with the development of weapons systems,
military operations, or the defense of the United States (including the
research and
development necessary to make effective provision for the defense of the United
States) shall be the responsibility of, and shall be directed by, the
Department of Defense; and that determination as to which such agency has
responsibility for and direction of any such activity shall be made by the
President..."

initially there was a National Space Council, chaired by the Vice President, on
which the Secretary of Defense was a member; and initially there was a
Civilian-Military Liaison Committee. both have since been abolished.


clear skies,
Kelly


J. Kelly Beatty
Senior Contributing Editor
SKY & TELESCOPE
617-416-9991
SkyandTelescope.com 

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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA & Dept. of Defense

2011-06-27 Thread Becky and Kirk
In fact, NASA already IS part of the Dept. of Defense. With a quick check of 
NASA's charter, it clearly defines that NASA operates "officially" under 
Dept. of Defense jurisdiction.


If you will recall, remember all of the Shuttle DOD missions flown during 
the 1980's. These were all missions flown strictly under a high security 
cloak, with most of these missions releasing classified military satellites.


Kirk:-)


- Original Message - 
From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Apollo Moon Rock Collection


Actually, ALL politicians impact the collection of planetary and 
asteroidal meteorites. By giving away billions in public assistance to 
poor people and even more billions in corporate welfare to rich people, 
money is diverted from meteorite collection. No one will return to the 
moon as long as politicians choose to spend the national treasure on 
trillion dollar wars and bloated military  budgets. If you want NASA 
properly funded, just make it part of the Defense Department. A military 
base on the moon by 2020! C'mon, we can do it! Politicians control the 
purse strings and if they didn't mismanage the people's money so badly, 
we'd be up to our elbows in meteorites.


Phil Whitmer
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