[meteorite-list] NWA 2620 - name discrepancy solved?

2005-01-05 Thread Matson, Robert
[Resending reply -- first attempt did not post.  --Rob]

Hi Adam, Mike and List,

 NWA 2620 will be published in the very next bulletin as an H4,
 Main Mass Hupe Collection.  No ifs, ands or buts about it.  Why
 is so hard to understand?

Simple repetition of your position doesn't do anything to help
solve the discrepancy.  Clearly there's a mistake somewhere.  Who's
to say whether the mistake (which may be just a typo) is NAU's fault
or Ted Bunch's?

I have no involvement with NWA 2620, but I can read.  And based
on today's posts I have a good guess as to what happened.  Note
the sequence in Mike's repost of Ted's message:

 Email dated 12 December 2004
 Mike: below and attached are the classifications that I can do
 for now.  Have a good trip.

 Ted

 NWA 2620 (F5)

 Yellowish-green to brown, friable olivine diogenite. with
 orthopyroxene grains ... snip

 NWA 2631 (F7)

 H5: Fa19.2; S1 W1

 NWA 2632 (F8)

 LL3.2: Fa1.1-37.4; (Cr2O3 = 0.15-0.37; mean = 0.33 wt %); S1 W1.

 NWA 2633 (F9)

 CO3.1: Fa 7.7 ­ 44.2 (Cr2O3 = 0.05-0.34 wt %); S1 W2 contains many
 small CAI inclusions.
 ...
(The message goes on to list classifications for NWA 2634  2635)

Doesn't it seem quite likely that 2620 was a typo, and that 2630
was intended?  Kind of coincidental to have a gap of exactly
10 numbers for an otherwise contiguous sequence.  The 2 is right
next to the 3 on the keyboard -- an innocent enough mistake.

--Rob

--ADDENDUM--

Another possibility is that there is a 0 vs. 9 typo (again, adjacent
numbers on the keyboard).  I like this idea even better since it
would explain the missing F6 in the sequence:

2629 (F5)
[2630 (F6) not yet classified?]
2631 (F7)
2632 (F8)
2633 (F9)
2634 (F10)
2635 (F11)
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2620 - name discrepancy solved?

2005-01-05 Thread Michael Farmer
Rob and everyone, that looks like the problem, but it isnt. I have many 
meteorites, in the 20## sequence, 2626 is a new Shergottite!
So that is not the error.
Mike Farmer
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2620 - name discrepancy solved?

[Resending reply -- first attempt did not post.  --Rob]
Hi Adam, Mike and List,
NWA 2620 will be published in the very next bulletin as an H4,
Main Mass Hupe Collection.  No ifs, ands or buts about it.  Why
is so hard to understand?
Simple repetition of your position doesn't do anything to help
solve the discrepancy.  Clearly there's a mistake somewhere.  Who's
to say whether the mistake (which may be just a typo) is NAU's fault
or Ted Bunch's?
I have no involvement with NWA 2620, but I can read.  And based
on today's posts I have a good guess as to what happened.  Note
the sequence in Mike's repost of Ted's message:
Email dated 12 December 2004
Mike: below and attached are the classifications that I can do
for now.  Have a good trip.
Ted
NWA 2620 (F5)
Yellowish-green to brown, friable olivine diogenite. with
orthopyroxene grains ... snip
NWA 2631 (F7)
H5: Fa19.2; S1 W1
NWA 2632 (F8)
LL3.2: Fa1.1-37.4; (Cr2O3 = 0.15-0.37; mean = 0.33 wt %); S1 W1.
NWA 2633 (F9)
CO3.1: Fa 7.7 ­ 44.2 (Cr2O3 = 0.05-0.34 wt %); S1 W2 contains many
small CAI inclusions.
...
(The message goes on to list classifications for NWA 2634  2635)
Doesn't it seem quite likely that 2620 was a typo, and that 2630
was intended?  Kind of coincidental to have a gap of exactly
10 numbers for an otherwise contiguous sequence.  The 2 is right
next to the 3 on the keyboard -- an innocent enough mistake.
--Rob
--ADDENDUM--
Another possibility is that there is a 0 vs. 9 typo (again, adjacent
numbers on the keyboard).  I like this idea even better since it
would explain the missing F6 in the sequence:
2629 (F5)
[2630 (F6) not yet classified?]
2631 (F7)
2632 (F8)
2633 (F9)
2634 (F10)
2635 (F11)
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 2620

2005-01-05 Thread Michael Farmer
I just spoke with Dr Bunch, and the olivine diogenite is actually NWA 2029, 
so Adam is correct, however, Adam knew that because Ted just told me that He 
had already corrected that with Adam, not me.
So Adam could have saved alot of problems by simply stating this.
Thanks for not taking one second to simply say that Adam.
Mike Farmer
Problem solved.
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Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 2620


I double checked, NWA 2620 is definitely assigned to an H4 in our
collection.  A mistake was made in regards to Mike's number. Also no 
verbal
pairing assignments were made by Dr. Bunch in regards to NWA 1827 which 
was
studied by Dr. Irving at the UW not NAU.

Hope this helps clear things up,
Adam
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:52 PM
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Adam, I guess, the thing that is hard to understand is that NWA 2620 will
be
published in the next bulletin is an Olivine Diogenite.
Now are you confused yet?
You seem so sure of it, yet I sent you proof that the same scientist gave
that name to my meteorite, seems to have geven you the same name, you
simply
ignored it.
I am trying to get to the root of an obvious error, you seem to say that
anyone else be damned, you are right and everyone else is wrong.
Let's work together here and find out where the mistake is.
Mike Farmer
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**

 This is my last comment for now on the subject.  NWA 2620 will be
 published
 in the very next bulletin as an H4, Main Mass Hupe Collection.  No ifs,
 ands
 or buts about it.  Why is so hard to understand?

 All the best,

 Adam

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:36 PM
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 David Weir References NWA 2620 in the following webpage on NWA 2115:

  http://www.geocities.com/~dweir/protected_NWA2115.HTM


 Jim Strope
 421 Fourth Street
 Glen Dale, WV  26038

 http://www.catchafallingstar.com

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 Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 5:55 PM
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 ?
 **


  Adam, that explains nothing other than the simple fact the it seems
  that
 a
  scientist has assigned the same number to two different meteorites.
  Mike Farmer
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  From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:39 PM
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  classification
?
 **
 
 
  Here is a link, scroll down to NWA 2620:
  http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/H-Chond.html
 
  Kind regards,
 
  Adam
 
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  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:42 PM
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classification
  ?
  **
 
 
  Adam, then explaine the email below, clearly a mistake has been
made,
  have
  you spoken to Ted?
  I am doing this publicly since the question was raied here and I
have
  sold
  many pieces of the NWA 2620 Olivine Diogenite.
  Michael Farmer
  I have called Ted today, with no answer.
 
  Email dated 12 December 2004
  Mike: below and attached are the classifications that I can do 
  for
 now.
  Have a
  good trip.
 
  Ted
 
 
 
  NWA 2620 (F5)
 
  Yellowish-green to brown, friable olivine diogenite. with
 orthopyroxene
  grains up to 21 mm in size; rare olivine grains. Unzoned olivine,
  Fa28.0;
  FeO/MgO = 44; orthopyroxene, Fs23.4Wo1.5; FeO/MnO = 24.9; 
  chromite,
 cr#
  =
  87; mg# = 19.4. Also contains minor metal (Ni = 0.29 wt %; Co =
0.59
 wt
  %)
  and troilite. No plagioclase was observed. Shock level is S2-3;
 lightly
  to
  moderately weathered. Likely paired with NWA 1877.
 
 
 
  NWA 2631 (F7)
 
  H5: Fa19.2; S1 W1
 
 
 
  NWA 2632 (F8)
 
  LL3.2: Fa1.1-37.4; (Cr2O3 = 0.15-0.37; mean = 0.33 wt %); S1 W1.
 
 
 
  NWA 2633 (F9)
 
  CO3.1: Fa 7.7 ­ 44.2 (Cr2O3 = 0.05-0.34 wt %); S1 W2; contains 
  many
  small
  CAI inclusions.
 
 
 
  NWA 2634 (F10)
 
  Ureilite, mosaicized type; olivine cores, Fa21.4, rims Fa11.1;
  pigeonite,
  Fs18.8 Wo9.9; augite, Fs17.0 Wo16.6; vein metal, 4.3 wt % Ni.
Highly

[meteorite-list] NWA 2620

2005-01-05 Thread Matson, Robert
 I just spoke with Dr Bunch, and the olivine diogenite is actually
 NWA 2029...

Just for confirmation -- is that 2029 or 2629?  (2029 seems so
different from all the other numbers in Ted's e-mail.)  --Rob
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