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Matteo, only one thing to say to you. You have NEVER been to Morocco. So do us all a favor, and shut your mouth as you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? I do not make no excuse, I say what task and enough. Sincerely I do not understand where goes to end all the money that these nomads take selling meteorites, inasmuch as I do not see no improvement care their life - they have bought a house, have improved their life? - I see always living to them equal, no improvement, therefore, where they go to end all the money earns from this persons? Care the Pelisson I doubt very that they must themselves be made publicity, inasmuch as well they are known in all Europe, probably not in the great America.. Other issue is the extreme rivalry that the nomads have between of they, time makes Mr.Habibi had said that not sell to me any meteorite why its friend, than then has uncovered who was inasmuch as he was my supplier, had said to it that I never did not pay. Contacted my friend, for having explanations, this it has said to me that they were all used idiocys in order to carry the customers to others. Therefore, seen the situation, I can very well think about all care where he goes to end this money. Io non faccio nessuna scusa, io dico quello che penso e basta. Sinceramente non capisco dove vada a finire tutto il denaro che questi nomadi prendono vendendo meteoriti, visto che non vedo nessun miglioramento riguardo la loro vita - hanno comprato una casa, hanno migliorato la loro vita? - io li vedo sempre vivere uguale, nessun miglioramente, quindi, dove vanno a finire tutti i soldi guadagnati? Riguardo i Pelisson dubito molto che loro si debbano fare pubblicità, visto che sono bene conosciuti in tutta europa, probabilmente non nella grande America.. Altra questione è l'estrema rivalità che i nomadi hanno tra di loro, tempo fa Mr.Habibi aveva detto che a me non vendeva nessuna meteorite perchè un altro suo amico, che poi ho scoperto chi era visto che era il mio fornitore, gli aveva detto che io non pagavo mai. Contattato il mio amico, per avere spiegazioni, questo mi ha detto che erano tutte idiozie usate per portare via clienti ad altri. Quindi, vista la situazione, io posso benissimo pensare di tutto riguardo dove vada a finire questo denaro. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:19:11 + Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks have made it possible for both scientists and collectors to have a full assortment of material for their study and enjoyment. We as meteorite enthusiasts have had our situation improved greatly by these NWA finds. Now this latest accusation by the Pellisons and supporting comments by one person, Matteo, while minor in number, are slander and a major injustice to the good people in NWA who work hard at finding these stones. Their apology to you and others would be appropriate, but I
Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
My friend go in DaG desert from many years, sure over how many time you go, and know very well the persons of the desert, and not go only in DaG zone but the same in Algery and Morocco. I never go in morocco...and the same in Indiabut I have the same the meteorites. From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:19:14 -0700 Matteo, only one thing to say to you. You have NEVER been to Morocco. So do us all a favor, and shut your mouth as you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? I do not make no excuse, I say what task and enough. Sincerely I do not understand where goes to end all the money that these nomads take selling meteorites, inasmuch as I do not see no improvement care their life - they have bought a house, have improved their life? - I see always living to them equal, no improvement, therefore, where they go to end all the money earns from this persons? Care the Pelisson I doubt very that they must themselves be made publicity, inasmuch as well they are known in all Europe, probably not in the great America.. Other issue is the extreme rivalry that the nomads have between of they, time makes Mr.Habibi had said that not sell to me any meteorite why its friend, than then has uncovered who was inasmuch as he was my supplier, had said to it that I never did not pay. Contacted my friend, for having explanations, this it has said to me that they were all used idiocys in order to carry the customers to others. Therefore, seen the situation, I can very well think about all care where he goes to end this money. Io non faccio nessuna scusa, io dico quello che penso e basta. Sinceramente non capisco dove vada a finire tutto il denaro che questi nomadi prendono vendendo meteoriti, visto che non vedo nessun miglioramento riguardo la loro vita - hanno comprato una casa, hanno migliorato la loro vita? - io li vedo sempre vivere uguale, nessun miglioramente, quindi, dove vanno a finire tutti i soldi guadagnati? Riguardo i Pelisson dubito molto che loro si debbano fare pubblicità, visto che sono bene conosciuti in tutta europa, probabilmente non nella grande America.. Altra questione è l'estrema rivalità che i nomadi hanno tra di loro, tempo fa Mr.Habibi aveva detto che a me non vendeva nessuna meteorite perchè un altro suo amico, che poi ho scoperto chi era visto che era il mio fornitore, gli aveva detto che io non pagavo mai. Contattato il mio amico, per avere spiegazioni, questo mi ha detto che erano tutte idiozie usate per portare via clienti ad altri. Quindi, vista la situazione, io posso benissimo pensare di tutto riguardo dove vada a finire questo denaro. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:19:11 + Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks
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Probably you know its forbidden put ID of others in pubblic emails uh? From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED],magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:45:20 -0700 We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST= 1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e giochi! http://messenger.msn.it/ Provalo subito! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
- Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Not in the USA, and this list is based in the USA. If you want to play and change your name, do it in Europe where you can hide behind fake names idiot. Art, please remove Matteo again. Thanks from all the list in advance. It was so nice to not have stupid comments for just those few days. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Probably you know its forbidden put ID of others in pubblic emails uh? From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED],magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:45:20 -0700 We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un 'altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST= 1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST = 1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e
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to reach their goals? So tell us how you get meteorites out of libya and which people who are part of the local population (Or in Afghanistan) benefits from your meteorite activities. We would love to know I am sure. Inquiring minds (Not to mention your potential customers) would like to know exactly what it is that you are up to in a terrorist sponcering nation (That americans are not even allowed to visit). Lets meet up in Tucson next week so that I can buy you some top of the line award winning Canadian wine so that you wont have to continue your enjoyment of the cheap imported camel piss that you can afford now. And next time you go to the desert wear a hat? To much sun is obviously getting to you. Sincerely DEAN PS: Dont think that I am trying to kick the pellisons out of the desert. I am not a communist and I believe that all my competators - including the pellisons, has just as much right to hunt in the desert and sell meteorites that I do. This is the stupidest most moronic thing that I have ever herd. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is lunacy, they are jerks who think that they only should be in the desert. What a crock of BS. Go back to France and take your attitude with you Pellisons. Meteorites funding terrorists, get real! They are building homes with them, the Pellisons are just mad that someone else gets some money from the meteorites other than them. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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who dont think twice about flaunting laws of the country that they are in operates and exactly what type of organizations they would be willing to support in order to reach their goals? So tell us how you get meteorites out of libya and which people who are part of the local population (Or in Afghanistan) benefits from your meteorite activities. We would love to know I am sure. Inquiring minds (Not to mention your potential customers) would like to know exactly what it is that you are up to in a terrorist sponcering nation (That americans are not even allowed to visit). Lets meet up in Tucson next week so that I can buy you some top of the line award winning Canadian wine so that you wont have to continue your enjoyment of the cheap imported camel piss that you can afford now. And next time you go to the desert wear a hat? To much sun is obviously getting to you. Sincerely DEAN PS: Dont think that I am trying to kick the pellisons out of the desert. I am not a communist and I believe that all my competators - including the pellisons, has just as much right to hunt in the desert and sell meteorites that I do. This is the stupidest most moronic thing that I have ever herd. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is lunacy, they are jerks who think that they only should be in the desert. What a crock of BS. Go back to France and take your attitude with you Pellisons. Meteorites funding terrorists, get real! They are building homes with them, the Pellisons are just mad that someone else gets some money from the meteorites other than them. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well, I have tried to be out of the politics on the list, but its true, Algeria was a very traumatic experience for France. Perhaps the attitude might be a bit different, if Algeria still was a colony of France. take care, pekka s David Freeman wrote: Baah! Meteorites for Plutonium? Last I heard it was meteorites for subsistence living. Go figure! DF Roman Jirasek wrote: Hear Hear! You go man! Roman - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer To: Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail, Dialogue en direct et SMS gratuits sur minitel : 3615 CARAMAIL
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Habibi, their name is Pellison, they are French, I am sure you know them. Mike Farmer hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer To: Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail, Dialogue en direct et SMS gratuits sur minitel : 3615 CARAMAIL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Aziz Habibi, Please DO NOT quit this list. It is important that we hear from people where meteorites are found. As a professional anthropologist AND an amateur meteorite hunter/collector, let me say that we do appreciate your comments... Best wishes, Nick, Ph.D. Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D. UCLA Human Complex Systems Program http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greetings Habibi, Like Mike says, their name is Pellison, they are French. I think they are greedy, and are bad for NWA buyers, sellers, and hunters. With many GREAT meteorite peoples, I suppose there must be one or two bad ones. Hah, Libyian connection? Why are they like this? What is their REAL problem? Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Habibi, their name is Pellison, they are French, I am sure you know them. Mike Farmer hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer To: Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail, Dialogue en direct et SMS gratuits sur minitel : 3615 CARAMAIL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Habibi, their name is Pellison, they are French, I am sure you know them. Mike Farmer Well, maybe he dont know the pellisons. I say this because it is hard to believe that somebody who knows what they are talking about and would have first hand experience about how the meteorite market in morocco works could come up with such a downright idiotic train of thought. I know that many list members have never been to morocco but if you did go you can easily see where the money is going. These people dont hoard money or ship it to relitives in third world countries. You can easily see where the money is going that the locals get. They tell you. You can see the construction going on on houses where the nomads (Often no longer true nomads) live. They might have a car. And like any parent some of the money is spent so kids can get a better education (Remember - a lot of these people have never been to school and they see the few people with a minimal education getting all of the few available jobs that are available like in banks and things). While many of the sellers are no longer true nomads some regularly travel to the desert on two or three month trips where they have true nomads all over the Sahara looking for meteorites for them (Who get a cut of the money directly also). A very large portion of the money you pay for meteorites goes to the local Saharan economy. The economy in morocco is small. Several hundred thousand dollars spent goes a long way. 80% unemployment is a conservative figure. Up to a decade or so ago $200 was a years wages. Its not like in North America where unemployment rates are based on people actually looking. In Morocco if you want a job you go looking for meteorites or spend a few days in the fossil mountains and dig fossils and then spend a few days trying to sell them. So thats why I say that habibi might not actually know the pellisons. If the pellisons knew what they were talking about they wouldent come up with such a stupid idea that has no intelligence or knowledge whatsoever associated with it. What has there been - $2 million dollars spent on meteorites in the past year or so in morocco?. For terrorists used to smuggling drugs and arms where the market is measured into the multiple billions of dollars getting into the meteorite market wouldent make much intelligent sense. I am sure that there has been something dumber said on this list in the past but I cant think offhand what it could be. This probably takes the cake. It just shows how desperate that the pellisons are and shows how low they are willing to sink in an effort to sell meteorites. There are no terrorists selling meteorites in morocco. There are thousands of poor locals searching for meteorites in the desert. Even at low african wages terrorists woudlent be getting enough money to pay their wages to search. There just plain isnt enough money involved and the searching to labour intensive and time consuming for a terrorist group to consider getting involved. Remember, how much walking do you have to do in arizona or nevada in the desert to find a meteorite? Its no easier in Africa. You just have more people saerching thats all. This is stupid. Sincerely DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aziz Habibi, Please DO NOT quit this list. It is important that we hear from people where meteorites are found. As a professional anthropologist AND an amateur meteorite hunter/collector, let me say that we do appreciate your comments... Best wishes, Nick, Ph.D. Yes, I agree. We dont hear from many moroccans on this list which is to bad considering how moroccan meteorites have totally revolutionized the entire industry/science over the past couple of years. More postings from you would be best - not fewer. Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I can think of half a dozen things that are more likely to support terrorism with higher dollar to risk ratios than meteorites: oil, drugs, weapons, 'blood' diamonds, etc. Meteorites that support terrorism are on a scale of 1-10, about a -2; not big, or even medium-weight money. Annually, I'd hazard a guess that less than a million dollars flows into Africa for buying and selling meteorites. Any arms dealer can put together a one shot package that will net 10 times that in one trip. Can you tell us what indicators you saw that led you to believe that the sale of NWA meteorites is financing terrorists? Tracy Latimer _ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks have made it possible for both scientists and collectors to have a full assortment of material for their study and enjoyment. We as meteorite enthusiasts have had our situation improved greatly by these NWA finds. Now this latest accusation by the Pellisons and supporting comments by one person, Matteo, while minor in number, are slander and a major injustice to the good people in NWA who work hard at finding these stones. Their apology to you and others would be appropriate, but I doubt if they ever would do it. They are not that kind of people I'm afraid. If you can, forget about them and treat them as minor players in all this, because they are minor players. But remember them if and when they come to you and others in NWA looking for material, and be sure to turn them away empty handed. There are enough other dealers who will treat you more properly. You can always come to the list for support as your can see by the response of most who support the NWA cause. These lies are not nice, but you can see that we think they have no truth to them. We will still be supporting the NWA market for years to come. Tell your friends to keep their chins up and continue their search of more. Best Regards to the people of NWA, John hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public
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i swear with all what i love that all nwa will know this and will know the name of the pillisons nomade are like camels they never forget --- Message d'origine --- De: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:56:44 -0800 (PST) Sujet: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? --- Nicholas Gessler wrote: Aziz Habibi, Please DO NOT quit this list. It is important that we hear from people where meteorites are found. As a professional anthropologist AND an amateur meteorite hunter/collector, let me say that we do appreciate your comments... Best wishes, Nick, Ph.D. Yes, I agree. We dont hear from many moroccans on this list which is to bad considering how moroccan meteorites have totally revolutionized the entire industry/science over the past couple of years. More postings from you would be best - not fewer. Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Les noms de domaine les moins chers du marché : 6,49 euros HT sur http://www.lycos.fr/pro .
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Hello Everyone, You know, this just makes me sick. For the Pellissons to try to use terrorism as a marketing ploy is incomprehensible and an insult to free-thinking, free-willed, and just plain Free People everywhere. This is not unlike all those seeking blood money by hawking Columbia related things on ebay only hours after the Shuttle and astronauts were lost. To try to connect NWA meteorites with financing terrorism for the not-so-veiled attempt at self-gain is despicable and at least I have the pleasure of knowing that we in the unofficial meteorite community recognize these people for what they are. I have friends on the ground in the infantry and in the air flying Black Hawks in Afghanistan and Iraq at this moment and and every time I hear of soldiers dying or a helicopter is shot down I wonder if it is someone I know. The home of the Third Infantry Division is just down the road from me (the windows in my house shake when they practice artillery) at Ft. Stewart and helicopters routinely fly in and out of Hunter Army Airfield and I often think of these brave men and women who literally risk their most precious belonging for what little pay they get. Then comes along the Pellissons who essentially make at mockery of what my friends are fighting for their own financial gain. Well, I had better end this now before I write something that may get me kicked off the list. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I do not make no excuse, I say what task and enough. Sincerely I do not understand where goes to end all the money that these nomads take selling meteorites, inasmuch as I do not see no improvement care their life - they have bought a house, have improved their life? - I see always living to them equal, no improvement, therefore, where they go to end all the money earns from this persons? Care the Pelisson I doubt very that they must themselves be made publicity, inasmuch as well they are known in all Europe, probably not in the great America.. Other issue is the extreme rivalry that the nomads have between of they, time makes Mr.Habibi had said that not sell to me any meteorite why its friend, than then has uncovered who was inasmuch as he was my supplier, had said to it that I never did not pay. Contacted my friend, for having explanations, this it has said to me that they were all used idiocys in order to carry the customers to others. Therefore, seen the situation, I can very well think about all care where he goes to end this money. Io non faccio nessuna scusa, io dico quello che penso e basta. Sinceramente non capisco dove vada a finire tutto il denaro che questi nomadi prendono vendendo meteoriti, visto che non vedo nessun miglioramento riguardo la loro vita - hanno comprato una casa, hanno migliorato la loro vita? - io li vedo sempre vivere uguale, nessun miglioramente, quindi, dove vanno a finire tutti i soldi guadagnati? Riguardo i Pelisson dubito molto che loro si debbano fare pubblicità, visto che sono bene conosciuti in tutta europa, probabilmente non nella grande America.. Altra questione è l'estrema rivalità che i nomadi hanno tra di loro, tempo fa Mr.Habibi aveva detto che a me non vendeva nessuna meteorite perchè un altro suo amico, che poi ho scoperto chi era visto che era il mio fornitore, gli aveva detto che io non pagavo mai. Contattato il mio amico, per avere spiegazioni, questo mi ha detto che erano tutte idiozie usate per portare via clienti ad altri. Quindi, vista la situazione, io posso benissimo pensare di tutto riguardo dove vada a finire questo denaro. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:19:11 + Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks have made it possible for both scientists and collectors to have a full assortment of material for their study and enjoyment. We as meteorite enthusiasts have had our situation improved greatly by these NWA finds. Now this latest accusation by the Pellisons and supporting comments by one person, Matteo, while minor in number, are slander and a major injustice to the good people in NWA who work hard at finding these stones. Their apology to you and others would be appropriate, but I doubt if they ever would do it. They are not that kind of people I'm afraid. If you can, forget about them and treat them as minor players in all this, because they are minor players. But remember them if and when they come to you and others in NWA looking for material, and be sure to turn them away empty handed. There are enough other dealers who will treat you more properly. You can always come to the list for support as your can see
[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson
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Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Title: Nachricht Aren't you getting a little, well, too "terrorized" here? Bernhard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/Richard Roland Pelisson
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Dear List, Bernhard; Maybe the real terrorism is that it appears Matteo is back to haunt us Dave F. Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems wrote: Aren't you getting a little, well, too terrorized here? Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Title: Nachricht
Let me
elaborate a little on why I think this is a rather silly accusation and - most
of all - rather humiliating to the people of the Mahgreb, where those meteorites
are found:
First
of all: the quotations about militant groups from Algeria are TOTALLY taken out
of context. Further on - the quote that theborder between Morocco and
Algeria has been officiallyclosed in 1994 misses to say that "in reality,
very little people care about that, mostly becauseof geographical
circumstances". Next: there is NO known militant islamic group operating out of
Libya, so these allegations are without foundation.
You
are right that there won't be "thousands of beduines" on the strewnfields - but
what does it prove? In my opinion, it only provesthat - well, less people
are needed for that job. Beduines are no fools or "primitives", their hunts are
pretty well organized.
I
don'tdoubt you may have good intentions with this page (although some not
so good intentions can be imagined for such a campaign as well) - but if you
know the region a little, and if you know the people a little there,this
page is something VERY objectionable - at least for me. In fact, I feel angered
by what you are doing. It might and will impress some folks, but I am sure I am
not alone when I say that this page is highly speculative and - if read by the
wrong persons - can do a LOT of harm.
Regards,
Bernhard
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Aren't you getting a little, well, too "terrorized"
here?
Bernhard
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for
terrorism?
NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1
- NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There
is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 -
More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to
Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been
closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the
border.
NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious
facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have
been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in
Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic
Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and
Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by
a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields
in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no
man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is
still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". -
The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the
Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/Richard
Roland Pelisson
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Dear list, An interesting topic. Some serious facts. I had the big opportunity to stay in the Amguid area, Algeria twice in the last 2 years. Having beeg invited by the University of Algiers, to help some field prospection with the Museum National d'Histoire Naturelle de Paris, around 2 impacts carters ( Amguid and Tin Bider, ) I had the pleasure to be introduced to the local Police Forces in Amguid. We had a military escort during our first trip. It creates relations and friendship as we shareda mechoui and more. It happened also that we where exactly in Amguid in 2003 when the group of 30 tourists where caught, and that we had the pleasure again to meet our friends from the previous year military escort that were just coming back from a first survey to localize the kidnappers, in an aera bewteen Amguid and Illizi, about500 km in the East of the Acfer reg, more that 1000 klm from the Tanezrouft area. We do not see here any meteorite link between that kidnapper group, who was known by our local helps and also by the military forces. (the GSPC true ) During that same expeditions we also had the opportunity top see 2 ciarettes smugglers caravan of Toyotas 6 vehicles on the first time and 14 the second time. There is a big money. We also had the chance to find a lost 55 gallons drum on our way to the Tin Bider crater, having to follow the same track as the smuggers for half a hundred miles. On another hand we have developped a network of prospectors somewhere in the Sahara, who also cross borders to prospect. Their land was cut into new countries after the french decolinization. They have relative on each side of many borders and they use to visit them quite often, do not forget that they are basically nomads. They are paid for their job by me, on a no cure no pay basis. ( But they find many meteorites.. I know how much I spend on travels and how much I give them. I do not see any Million $ figure in my expenses.) I would be intellectually inapt to invest millions of $ in buying tons of OC's and some goodies to my people. Anyone can buy them much cheaper in Morocco, according what I unserstand from my hunting mates that go there and buy their meteorites in Morocco. I do not understand the link bewteen NWa's , other Saharan meteorites and terrorsim. The arguments developped by the Pelissons brothers drastically lack of real clues. The GSPC group asked for a ransom and got it: there were the millions of $, in kidnapping not in meteorites.I do not see people playing at meteorites in the no-mans land between Algeria and Morocco, Sahara is so vast that one should be mad to prospect there: it is full of mines! My people know many nomads crossing borders, are they all smugglers ? All african borders are porous. Camels, cars, trucks, dattes, hifi, computers,cigarettes, there are the major traffics. I started prospecting in Libya as the Pelissons did, and I have to admit that I smuggled the meteorites throught the Libyan border and then through the Tunisian border.As the Pelisson did.(Roland, personnal communication.) Another story. My mates found a nice achondrite last year, a small fragment with crust 14 g, ( is is a polymict diogenite or something close, analyses are not finished. ) having seen the crust and the little thumbprints on it I suggested that they go back to the plalce and look again. They came back with a perfect complete individual of 50 g. These meteorites are legally imported in France throught customs. I run a registered meteorite business in France, I just ask the Pelisson if their SaharaTeam is a regsitered company. if no, I will say that they probably finance terrorism. I am reading the numerous answers to this topic. Yes Bernhard is right, this can make a lot of harm to the community. I go back to my cooking. Lobsters and Champagne tonite. I will tell you why in a while. BTW I have some auctions at http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItemsuserid=kayunwarinclude=0since=-1sort=3rows=50 My 2 teas Michel FRANCO - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Gro
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Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson
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Gosh! Take care Stefan! I will peach on you at the Homeland office and the next day the marines will take you, Matteo, Bessey and all others to Guantanamo. (I insist that Farmer and Matteo have to share the same cage). The McCarthy era in the meteorite scene is near. Let's burn all stuff from Maghreb. Bury all Chinese falls. Throw the Zagamis in the toilet Bring the children in the house - THE METEORITE DEALER IS COMING!! Martin A. - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List, beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites. Best regards, Stefan www.meteoriten.com SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Richard and list, I think you left one off your list. 6. Islamic sounds like a eucrite meteorite. Morocco (a country) and Africa (a continent) do have a lot of Muslims. This does not mean they are all radical Muslims. To suggest that since meteorites are purchased in acountryor a continent were there are a few radicals by ratio as meaning that Moroccan meteorite money funds terrorist sounds to me a bit far fetching. Morocco has been a trading place for a long time and will continue fora long time in the future. Meteorites would not even rank in the top 10 of the countries exports. There is a lack of strewn field data on NWA meteorites, but lets be honest. I think we understand now the way meteorites break up and the many rare meteorites, planetary and otherwise, the Moroccan meteorite market has provided, out weigh any lack of geological information. Sure I like to collect those GPS coordinates also, but let us be honest. Only a handful of coordinates provided in any meteorite catalog would really lead you to the place of find or fall. If one was collecting NWA meteorite one would surely get several pairs in their collection. But would one not get the same if collecting the DAG #'d meteorites you found? Would you mind telling us how many paired DAG CO3 numbers have been assigned? Multiple paired meteorites with different name and numbers can also be found in the RooseveltCounty, New Mexico meteorites, the Antarctica finds, Australia, and in many other examples. Richard, your finds and documentation on the Libyan meteorites is inspirational, however, I find your annual attack on NWA meteorites lacking. Kind of like a, "I have a better car then you" thing. Mark Bostick Go Panthers!!!
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Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with "Regards" as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. "Regards" Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? >Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST > > NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? >http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html > > >1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. >2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this >market. > >3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to >Egypt. >4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since >1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. > NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites > >Some serious facts: >- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target >of >the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: > - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) > - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) >- 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military >attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. >- Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land >between the two countries. >- NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who >prefer >to stay "anonymous". >- The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on >the Algerian border. > > >More info : >http://www.saharamet.com/ > >Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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well from today I not put the regards in my emails adieu From: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 15:16:20 -0500 Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Nuovo MSN Messenger con sfondi e giochi! http://messenger.msn.it/ Provalo subito! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Matt; If you could only go back through years of list posts (since you ARE new here), you would see that our wonderful friend, Matteo (now in transparent sheep's clothing) has been stepped on, and all of the list members for years have been bent on stamping out his struck fairies and fantasies. The members diddly doo him so he becomes not unlike a monkey on a string. Maybe some medical doctor could prescribe some tetraethanolcanibinal for Matte so he could be above the tickled fancy of the conspiracy to commit sanity on the insane. Either that , or take away his LSD. The struck fairies is the one that did it for me. DF magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un 'altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Ken and Matt, Matt, I have a question I would like you to ask Matteo should you see him in the near future. On 8 January 2004, a friend of Matteo's posted a message to the meteorite-list with the subject heading UP WITH MATTEO!! The friend's name was Francesco Cini. Mr. Cini provided a link in his post. When downloaded this link went to a pro Al Quaida broadside, lampooning the United States and calling for its' destruction. I noted with interest at the time that Matteo did not repudiate this post by Mr. Cini. So I'm curious. Is Matteo sympathetic to the goals of Al Quaida? Regards, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello list and WELLCOME to a globalized world, I dont really know deeply the problems that are now in Africa and Sahara, but I do understand how globalization works. Anything you buy in the confort of your house or your city, you NEVER know where it comes from for sure, with millions of miles and millions of people touching money these days, you never know to who you give your money, lets put an example. Diamonds, gold, etc...while you go to a store in your city and buy a ring for your wife, you wont know from where did they mined out that diamond, companies always buy what is cheaper, once the diamond s out of the land you dont know if it comes from Africa, america or any other place...get this, if you get water from the faucet in America and then you fill the other part of the glass with water from Europe, its impossible to determine wich waters comes from where...its the same here. In his globalized world where you actually buy stuff from all over the world, it gets mixed and you only know where it comes from because of the Tag (Made in China, Made in Mexico, etc). How do you really know?...next time you buy something, just remember...you might be financing a war, you might be givin money to a good mans family. Buying NWA meteorites you might be givin money to the mafia or might be helping a bedouine and his family, the prloblem is that you DONT know. Another thing, just think for a moment. If you buy meteorites from USA, you are activating american economy, is that money going to be used in anoter IRAK war?..then you too will be killing people. What Im telling you is that no matter where you buy meteorites...American, mexicans, europeans, italians, africans, you neverknow who you are helping. I think this is just an invention...this is new world with new rules. 2001 Space Collection Rafael B. Torres _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Not much to add...I´m also a collector of gems and minerals, so the story of the blood diamonds from Sierra Leone, Kongo etc is familiar. Anyway, I suppose, this high moral case was originally started by DeBeers syndicate...;- best regards, pekka s Rafael B. Torres wrote: Hello list and WELLCOME to a globalized world, I dont really know deeply the problems that are now in Africa and Sahara, but I do understand how globalization works. Anything you buy in the confort of your house or your city, you NEVER know where it comes from for sure, with millions of miles and millions of people touching money these days, you never know to who you give your money, lets put an example. Diamonds, gold, etc...while you go to a store in your city and buy a ring for your wife, you wont know from where did they mined out that diamond, companies always buy what is cheaper, once the diamond s out of the land you dont know if it comes from Africa, america or any other place...get this, if you get water from the faucet in America and then you fill the other part of the glass with water from Europe, its impossible to determine wich waters comes from where...its the same here. In his globalized world where you actually buy stuff from all over the world, it gets mixed and you only know where it comes from because of the Tag (Made in China, Made in Mexico, etc). How do you really know?...next time you buy something, just remember...you might be financing a war, you might be givin money to a good mans family. Buying NWA meteorites you might be givin money to the mafia or might be helping a bedouine and his family, the prloblem is that you DONT know. Another thing, just think for a moment. If you buy meteorites from USA, you are activating american economy, is that money going to be used in anoter IRAK war?..then you too will be killing people. What Im telling you is that no matter where you buy meteorites...American, mexicans, europeans, italians, africans, you neverknow who you are helping. I think this is just an invention...this is new world with new rules. 2001 Space Collection Rafael B. Torres _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hear Hear! You go man! Roman - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Baah! Meteorites for Plutonium? Last I heard it was meteorites for subsistence living. Go figure! DF Roman Jirasek wrote: Hear Hear! You go man! Roman - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? First it was plundering, now it is supporting terrorism? Please give us a break! BTW, what millions of dollars are you talking about? Do you really think that the small meteorite market is carrying millions of dollars to Morocco (or to some elusive Algerian NWA meteorite funded contrabands and terrorists)? Your claim is plainly false, and you know it! Disgusting. What's next? Will you try to tell us that several meteorite dealers go to Morocco to trade meteorites for arms, or plutonium? Your pseudo-ethic is nothing but hypocrisy. Do you really think that most meteorite collectors are that dumb that they'll take your polemics for facts? And that they don't get your real intentions? Sleep tight, Norbert -Ursprngliche Nachricht- NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Pelissons, Although many have reacted negatively to your report, I feel just the opposite. You should expand your definition of NWA meteorites to include all meteorites found in North West Africa instead of undocumented stones bought in Morocco. You never know when those sneaky kidnapper/smuggler/nomads are going to start documenting finds just to increase their terrorist's profits. Thank you for bringing this to the meteorite community's attention. Are you going to set the proper example and to quit your business so there can be no hint of any terrorist support on your part? This is what you have suggested, is it not? I know this is difficult but you don't want to appear hypocritical, do you? If I can help, I will gladly dispose of any or all your desert inventory. Be assured that I will NOT sell to any terrorist. Keep up the good work, and be careful of the desert sun. ken newton P.S. I may even start confiscating suspect stones in Tucson. Thanks for the idea [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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GOSH, I AM ASTONISHED! NOT OUR HONORABLE MATTEO! WE LOVE HIMnot! DF DNAndrews wrote: Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: magellon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Matteo's old ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]: 82.88.123.236 Matt River's ISP/DNS numbers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): 82.88.123.236 What a coincidence! What are the odds? regards, Dave magellon wrote: Matt, How strange that your word phrasing and attitude is so much like Matteo Chinellato. In a previous email, you , like Matteo, are quick to point out material that may take business from Matteo's perceived enemy (M.Farmer) Coincidentally you show up on the LIST just AFTER Matteo was banned. You even end your message with Regards as Matteo always did! I'll bet you are also from Italy? (Yes, just checked your header - you are from Italy) Do you know Matteo? Is he honest or does he try to deceive others? Matteo has continued to take the easy, but completely wrong path. He should not think his wrong choices will not continue to plague him, they will. The sad thing is that no one was hoping or wishing Matteo evil or bad results. He has no one but himself to blame. Regards Ken Newton Matt River wrote: Hello If its confirmed I never buy any other NWA meteorite in my life, I no want my money give for buy meteorites go for after buy army. regards Matt From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:35:17 EST NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones bought in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteorites Some serious facts: - 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay anonymous. - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border. More info : http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson _ Comunica in un altra dimensione con MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST=1 http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=it-itpage=hotmail/es2xAPID=1983DI=2049ST= 1 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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It is lunacy, they are jerks who think that they only should be in the desert. What a crock of BS. Go back to France and take your attitude with you Pellisons. Meteorites funding terrorists, get real! They are building homes with them, the Pellisonsare just mad that someone else gets some money from the meteorites other than them. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Stefan Ralew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Hello Richard Robert Pellison and List,beautiful concpiracy theory! But where are the real facts? Thousands of deserts nomads in the service of Al Qaida? I`m sorry, but this story ist nonsense for me. It is fact that many nomads trade her meteorites for food and other goods at markets in Morocco. The Moroccan mineral dealers make the real money. I know many of this mineral dealers personally and these aren't terrorists! It is the same propaganda which is already used against NWA meteorites.Best regards,Stefanwww.meteoriten.comSR-MeteoriteI.M.C.A. Member#3368NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html 1 - NWA meteorites are undocumented stones "bought" in Morocco. 2 - There is no potential prospecting field in Morocco to supply this market. 3 - More than 95% of the NWA meteorites come from Algeria, Libya and up to Egypt. 4 - The border between Morocco and Algeria has officially been closed since 1994. Islamic army groups cross the border. NWA meteorites = contraband meteoritesSome serious facts:- 2 of the 11 international terrorist organizations which have been target of the Bush government since September 11th live in Algeria: - GIA (Armed Islamic Group) - GSPC (Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat) - 30 Europeen hostages have been rescued from Islamic groups by a military attack between the Acfer and the Tanezrouf meteorite strewnfields in 2003. - Well organized smuggling rings act through the militarized no man's land between the two countries. - NWA meteorite contraband is still financed by private investors who prefer to stay "anonymous". - The track of the millions of dollars involved in this traffic is lost on the Algerian border.More info :http://www.saharamet.com/ Richard Roland Pelisson
