Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
That's nothing Adam... Wait until you drive to the District of Washington and see the "thought free zone" sign... John - Original Message - From: "Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules I think it is interesting how much regulations affect park usage. I thought that I had stumbled onto a hidden treasure when observing a beautiful park in Renton, Washington. It was rather large, had a beach on Lake Washington, a dock, well-manicured landscaping and paved trails. I could not figure out why nobody used it until I read signs everywhere indicating, too numerous to count, regulations. In the parking lot, there was a sign that read: * No loitering * Do not leave valuables in car * High prowl area As you were entering the park, from what I can recall, another very large sign read: * No alcohol * No glass * No littering * No barbecues * No music * No bicycling * No running on the sidewalks * No ball or Frisbee throwing * No horseplay * Keep off of the grass * No pets * Park promptly closes at dusk ...and about a dozen more rules that I cannot recall at the moment I made it to the bathrooms and a sign simply stated: * Closed * No loitering An finally I reached the dock and a sign stated: * No fishing * No lifeguard on duty * No swimming After seeing how many rules and regulations that were posted everywhere that told you what you could not do, I realized why nobody used the park and it remained in pristine condition. This park is in the same city where it is illegal to drive around the same block twice due to cruising ordinances and a friend of mine got a ticket for his grass growing too long since his lawnmower broke. They may as well have put up a sign that said, "GO HOME, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE, NO FUN ALLOWED!" I guess if you like to sit still, not twitch a finger and meditate, this park would be perfect. This is one of many reasons I moved away from Washington State other than the rainy weather. Too many regulations and high taxes! No such thing as "freewill" At least for the time being, here in Nevada, most people still smile and wave at one another. It will not be long before regulations burden us here as well since more and more are coming online everyday. Adam * No yelling - Original Message - From: "Robert Verish" <bolidecha...@yahoo.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules > Adam is right about National Forest rules not permitting meteorite > collecting. And, > I'm not surprised that many of their forest service rangers are unaware of > that fact and, > more importantly, among the rangers that I have spoken with, most don't > really know > why it isn't permitted. It's weird, when I tell them the reason "why", > they actually argue > with me saying that I "must be wrong, because that reason is insane." > Well, enough about that insanity. > > I just wanted to point that while Adam is right, that most dry-lakes are > on public lands, > not all are. There are many on other kinds of properties. And those on > military bases > are obviously out of the jurisdiction of the BLM. Rest assured that if > they can't make > any money off of the meteorite find, they could care less. So, if you > have the rare opportunity > to acquire a meteorite from a dry-lake located on a military base, you can > forget about > all this generalization about dry-lakes. None of the rules relating to > public lands and the > BLM applies to these other dry-lakes. > > Bob V. > > ---- > On Fri, 6/3/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Friday, June 3, 2016, 12:47 PM > > I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was > ok > to collect meteorites. I double-checked to see if the rules have changed > and the answer seems to still be, NO. This also means that most > meteorites > found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal > land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new > regulations. > > > > > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.
Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
I think it is interesting how much regulations affect park usage. I thought that I had stumbled onto a hidden treasure when observing a beautiful park in Renton, Washington. It was rather large, had a beach on Lake Washington, a dock, well-manicured landscaping and paved trails. I could not figure out why nobody used it until I read signs everywhere indicating, too numerous to count, regulations. In the parking lot, there was a sign that read: * No loitering * Do not leave valuables in car * High prowl area As you were entering the park, from what I can recall, another very large sign read: * No alcohol * No glass * No littering * No barbecues * No music * No bicycling * No running on the sidewalks * No ball or Frisbee throwing * No horseplay * Keep off of the grass * No pets * Park promptly closes at dusk ...and about a dozen more rules that I cannot recall at the moment I made it to the bathrooms and a sign simply stated: * Closed * No loitering An finally I reached the dock and a sign stated: * No fishing * No lifeguard on duty * No swimming After seeing how many rules and regulations that were posted everywhere that told you what you could not do, I realized why nobody used the park and it remained in pristine condition. This park is in the same city where it is illegal to drive around the same block twice due to cruising ordinances and a friend of mine got a ticket for his grass growing too long since his lawnmower broke. They may as well have put up a sign that said, "GO HOME, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE, NO FUN ALLOWED!" I guess if you like to sit still, not twitch a finger and meditate, this park would be perfect. This is one of many reasons I moved away from Washington State other than the rainy weather. Too many regulations and high taxes! No such thing as "freewill" At least for the time being, here in Nevada, most people still smile and wave at one another. It will not be long before regulations burden us here as well since more and more are coming online everyday. Adam * No yelling - Original Message - From: "Robert Verish" <bolidecha...@yahoo.com> To: <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>; "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules Adam is right about National Forest rules not permitting meteorite collecting. And, I'm not surprised that many of their forest service rangers are unaware of that fact and, more importantly, among the rangers that I have spoken with, most don't really know why it isn't permitted. It's weird, when I tell them the reason "why", they actually argue with me saying that I "must be wrong, because that reason is insane." Well, enough about that insanity. I just wanted to point that while Adam is right, that most dry-lakes are on public lands, not all are. There are many on other kinds of properties. And those on military bases are obviously out of the jurisdiction of the BLM. Rest assured that if they can't make any money off of the meteorite find, they could care less. So, if you have the rare opportunity to acquire a meteorite from a dry-lake located on a military base, you can forget about all this generalization about dry-lakes. None of the rules relating to public lands and the BLM applies to these other dry-lakes. Bob V. On Fri, 6/3/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, June 3, 2016, 12:47 PM I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok to collect meteorites. I double-checked to see if the rules have changed and the answer seems to still be, NO. This also means that most meteorites found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new regulations. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
Adam is right about National Forest rules not permitting meteorite collecting. And, I'm not surprised that many of their forest service rangers are unaware of that fact and, more importantly, among the rangers that I have spoken with, most don't really know why it isn't permitted. It's weird, when I tell them the reason "why", they actually argue with me saying that I "must be wrong, because that reason is insane." Well, enough about that insanity. I just wanted to point that while Adam is right, that most dry-lakes are on public lands, not all are. There are many on other kinds of properties. And those on military bases are obviously out of the jurisdiction of the BLM. Rest assured that if they can't make any money off of the meteorite find, they could care less. So, if you have the rare opportunity to acquire a meteorite from a dry-lake located on a military base, you can forget about all this generalization about dry-lakes. None of the rules relating to public lands and the BLM applies to these other dry-lakes. Bob V. On Fri, 6/3/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Subject: [meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, June 3, 2016, 12:47 PM I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok to collect meteorites. I double-checked to see if the rules have changed and the answer seems to still be, NO. This also means that most meteorites found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new regulations. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Natiional Forest Rules
I had a List member comment that a forest service ranger told him it was ok to collect meteorites. I double-checked to see if the rules have changed and the answer seems to still be, NO. This also means that most meteorites found of dry lake beds are off-limits to be sold since most are on federal land which now has very limited use by the public due to so many new regulations. The below questions and answers came directly from the BLM website: "Can meteorites be casually collected from other Federal lands, such as the National Forests or the National Parks? No. This policy only applies to public lands administered by the BLM under its agency authorities. Casual collecting is not allowed on lands administered and controlled by the National Park Service, Bureau of Reclamation, and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service." "Can meteorites casually collected from public lands be bartered or sold? Casual collection of meteorites from public lands is only for an individual's personal use. Sale or barter is considered commercial use. A permit must be issued for commercial activities and fees will be collected, including a purchase price based on a unit price or the percentage of fair market value, and a reclamation fee, if required." Information from BLM Frequently asked questions about meteorites PDF. http://www.blm.gov/style/medialib/blm/wo/Information_Resources_Management/policy/im_attachments/2012.Par.65264.File.dat/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy Hunting, I think I will go take a dip in a pool or head to the Colorado River to cool down, Adam __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
