Re: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing hydrazine
E.P., Hello, with respect, I will question you on your assumption that this is will be a non-fatal event which includes the atmospheric insertion of components of unknown composition. I have seen auctions of Volkswagon sized fuel "balls" from stuff that should Not have survived the burn-up. This was 30yrs ago. Do you have some personal Chinese nomenclature info that assures everything will disintergrate? Inurement to your post, there is no world wide alarm. And I hope everyone called it correctly. And, E.P., Paul has/had nothing to do with this event--why did you mention him? Regards, John - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list To: Meteorite List Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 3:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing hydrazine Hi Mike, all - "Sales of all hydrazine-contaminated, Chinese space debris are hereby suspended until further notice": p) Here's what I am using, over at nasaspaceflight.com: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011, and future events LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011, and future e... LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011, and future events but I am sure that list members have better resources than that. Since this is going to be non-fatal man made impact, I am enjoying it. By the way, Paul, not all cosmic dust is from the usual meteorite flux. Some of it comes from impacts. E.P. -- __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Neutralizing hydrazine
Hi Mike, all - "Sales of all hydrazine-contaminated, Chinese space debris are hereby suspended until further notice": p) Here's what I am using, over at nasaspaceflight.com: LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011, and future events | | | | | | | | | | | LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011, and future e... LIVE: TianGong-1 JSLC CZ-2F (T1) launch September 29, 2011, and future events | | | but I am sure that list members have better resources than that. Since this is going to be non-fatal man made impact,I am enjoying it. By the way, Paul, not all cosmic dust is from the usual meteorite flux.Some of it comes from impacts. E.P. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine?
Sales of all hydrazine-contaminated, Chinese space debris are hereby suspended until further notice On 3/25/18, E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Hi Dirk - > Meteorite hunters regularly saw up meteorites with high nickle content. > This nickle poisons their brains and regularly produces bizarre brain > function. > > Yeah, the peroxide is what I found with a quick search. > As far as "getting anywhere near materials from Tiangong-1",given "their" > travel times, "any fall site on land" will likely be arrived at by others > before "they" can declare it "off limits". "They" also have absolutely no > skills in dealing with local land owners. > Take along a couple of cameras, and who knows, you might get a few pictures > of "them".And you might be able to sell those pictures for some nice > change. > > Moving on: > >> BTW- Any and All of Tiangong-1 is property of the People's Republic of >> China and under international law must be returned to China if found, i.e. >> if you find something "significant" you will likely be met by U.S. >> Marshalls, XYZ, etc. and forced to return the "finds". > Wouldn't standard international salvage laws apply?Now that China has > wealthy collectors, I assume the laws of the market may likely come into > play as well. > As has been pointed out before, "It is glorious to be prosperous!" > good hunting, everyone,E.P. > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 9:55:22 PM EDT, David Mouat > <dave.mo...@dri.edu> wrote: > > Extremely unlikely that any hydrazine would be left. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 22, 2018, at 4:34 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: >> >> Ed and List, >> >> E.P. Grondine asks, >> >> "So how do you neutralize hydrazine?" >> >> The answer to your first question about neutralizing hydrazine see below ( >> I personally think that this is way to DANGEROUS for any meteorite hunters >> to be doing and should be left to military or properly trained HAZMAT >> team.). >> >> >> Safety and Handling of Hydrazine - Defense Technical Information ... >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https:dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/p005339.pdf=E,1,-N58HI1cOCWh8JZZUZBmC_DcsARBA4-TdhBAUDnueBvJw3ZnDvq_KlSTt-lgXN_eW4YSt-j08t2Qp8IRPuXDm2uBRFnrJJfWXGBDEk9AaOSqQA3WderP7cBr=1 >> by DK Simpson - 1986 - Cited by 2 - Related articles >> water and will eventually consume all of the hydrazine, producing only >> nitrogen and water. Use of a dilute oxidizer solution will speed up the >> neutralization reaction. An aqueous solution (5% or less) of sodium >> hypochlorite or calcium hypochlorite (prepared from swimming pool dry >> chlorinator) or dilute hydrogen peroxide. >> >> E.P.'s second question- >> "Anything else to be wary of?" There may be radioactive material aboard >> the craft. It would be a good idea to use a Geiger Counter to check for >> safety prior to handling any material IF found. >> >> The likelihood of any civilians getting anywhere near materials from >> Tiangong-1 as slim as any fall site on land will be off limits if it >> located. >> >> BTW- Any and All of Tiangong-1 is property of the People's Republic of >> China and under international law must be returned to China if found, i.e. >> if you find something "significant" you will likely be met by U.S. >> Marshalls, XYZ, etc. and forced to return the "finds". >> >> Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> >> >> >> From: E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list >> <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> >> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:42 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine? >> >> >> >> Hi all - >> >> With Tiangong comind down, is anyone here planning to hunt for pieces? >> >> Usually, the spacecraft pieces hunters find have been exposed to water for >> a long time, >> but this time that will not be the case, assuming that Tiangong comes down >> in a searchable area. >> >> So how do you neutralize hydrazine? Anything else to be wary of? >> >> good hunting, all, >> >> E.P. >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at &g
Re: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine?
Hi Dirk - Meteorite hunters regularly saw up meteorites with high nickle content. This nickle poisons their brains and regularly produces bizarre brain function. Yeah, the peroxide is what I found with a quick search. As far as "getting anywhere near materials from Tiangong-1",given "their" travel times, "any fall site on land" will likely be arrived at by others before "they" can declare it "off limits". "They" also have absolutely no skills in dealing with local land owners. Take along a couple of cameras, and who knows, you might get a few pictures of "them".And you might be able to sell those pictures for some nice change. Moving on: > BTW- Any and All of Tiangong-1 is property of the People's Republic of China > and under international law must be returned to China if found, i.e. if you > find something "significant" you will likely be met by U.S. Marshalls, XYZ, > etc. and forced to return the "finds". Wouldn't standard international salvage laws apply?Now that China has wealthy collectors, I assume the laws of the market may likely come into play as well. As has been pointed out before, "It is glorious to be prosperous!" good hunting, everyone,E.P. On Thursday, March 22, 2018, 9:55:22 PM EDT, David Mouat <dave.mo...@dri.edu> wrote: Extremely unlikely that any hydrazine would be left. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 22, 2018, at 4:34 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Ed and List, > > E.P. Grondine asks, > > "So how do you neutralize hydrazine?" > > The answer to your first question about neutralizing hydrazine see below ( I > personally think that this is way to DANGEROUS for any meteorite hunters to > be doing and should be left to military or properly trained HAZMAT team.). > > > Safety and Handling of Hydrazine - Defense Technical Information ... > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https:dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/p005339.pdf=E,1,-N58HI1cOCWh8JZZUZBmC_DcsARBA4-TdhBAUDnueBvJw3ZnDvq_KlSTt-lgXN_eW4YSt-j08t2Qp8IRPuXDm2uBRFnrJJfWXGBDEk9AaOSqQA3WderP7cBr=1 > by DK Simpson - 1986 - Cited by 2 - Related articles > water and will eventually consume all of the hydrazine, producing only > nitrogen and water. Use of a dilute oxidizer solution will speed up the > neutralization reaction. An aqueous solution (5% or less) of sodium > hypochlorite or calcium hypochlorite (prepared from swimming pool dry > chlorinator) or dilute hydrogen peroxide. > > E.P.'s second question- > "Anything else to be wary of?" There may be radioactive material aboard the > craft. It would be a good idea to use a Geiger Counter to check for safety > prior to handling any material IF found. > > The likelihood of any civilians getting anywhere near materials from > Tiangong-1 as slim as any fall site on land will be off limits if it located. > > BTW- Any and All of Tiangong-1 is property of the People's Republic of China > and under international law must be returned to China if found, i.e. if you > find something "significant" you will likely be met by U.S. Marshalls, XYZ, > etc. and forced to return the "finds". > > Dirk Ross...Tokyo > > > > From: E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:42 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine? > > > > Hi all - > > With Tiangong comind down, is anyone here planning to hunt for pieces? > > Usually, the spacecraft pieces hunters find have been exposed to water for a > long time, > but this time that will not be the case, assuming that Tiangong comes down in > a searchable area. > > So how do you neutralize hydrazine? Anything else to be wary of? > > good hunting, all, > > E.P. > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com=E,1,XzDQ1o3iP0YsZNsRVfud3w5F6Lp2QFmEeTEbdpQkaaL9CnzMXfA8gWALVA0TTPgsswTQjBJu3wG3aNqK_2b4qp7FvbHi5015QJOr9WyZM2-XVji7_aeImL4,=1 > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list=E,1,spmGmedIxVkYa0D3rKpaoBQtp4BLcFtlaUqgzxavX1F-B50bYejYVWQtRKP4Y6YUjNKa-nZIyuYzZDwy3O6D0L6BHa6Oih-Yymr6MUbdpu8,=1 > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecent
Re: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine?
Ed and List, E.P. Grondine asks, "So how do you neutralize hydrazine?" The answer to your first question about neutralizing hydrazine see below ( I personally think that this is way to DANGEROUS for any meteorite hunters to be doing and should be left to military or properly trained HAZMAT team.). Safety and Handling of Hydrazine - Defense Technical Information ... dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/p005339.pdf by DK Simpson - 1986 - Cited by 2 - Related articles water and will eventually consume all of the hydrazine, producing only nitrogen and water. Use of a dilute oxidizer solution will speed up the neutralization reaction. An aqueous solution (5% or less) of sodium hypochlorite or calcium hypochlorite (prepared from swimming pool dry chlorinator) or dilute hydrogen peroxide. E.P.'s second question- "Anything else to be wary of?" There may be radioactive material aboard the craft. It would be a good idea to use a Geiger Counter to check for safety prior to handling any material IF found. The likelihood of any civilians getting anywhere near materials from Tiangong-1 as slim as any fall site on land will be off limits if it located. BTW- Any and All of Tiangong-1 is property of the People's Republic of China and under international law must be returned to China if found, i.e. if you find something "significant" you will likely be met by U.S. Marshalls, XYZ, etc. and forced to return the "finds". Dirk Ross...Tokyo From: E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: Meteorite List <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine? Hi all - With Tiangong comind down, is anyone here planning to hunt for pieces? Usually, the spacecraft pieces hunters find have been exposed to water for a long time, but this time that will not be the case, assuming that Tiangong comes down in a searchable area. So how do you neutralize hydrazine? Anything else to be wary of? good hunting, all, E.P. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Neutralizing Hydrazine?
Hi all - With Tiangong comind down, is anyone here planning to hunt for pieces? Usually, the spacecraft pieces hunters find have been exposed to water for a long time,but this time that will not be the case, assuming that Tiangong comes down in a searchable area. So how do you neutralize hydrazine? Anything else to be wary of? good hunting, all, E.P. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
