Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
And ... a glass of water is interesting when put next to a powerful magnet, the surface of the water bends as the magnet is brought near it- It's quite spooky, and even works with a hard drive magnet. Trouble with looking for magnetic moment alignment in planetary samples is by the time a slice has been knocked about on a cutting wheel etc, it has lost much of it's information. I have found that iron meteorites magnetize very easily even if you tap them sharply a few times, (just by the earth's magnetic field). Even sending something through the post, exposes it to all sorts of fields and mechanical action. (Plus nearly everyone slaps a rare earth magnet on a rock when they find it, it's one of the 'is this a meteorite?' tests). My guess is to get proper magnetic field information you would need a freshly fallen piece that has been carefully handled and prepared in such a way as to minimise the disturbance to 'the force'.. Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: 17 August 2010 03:45 To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Hi Mike in CO, Magnetic susceptibility is a difficult question to answer. A CEREGE (CNRS), Geophysics and Planetologyscientist from France flew out here to Laughlin, NV, U.S.A. to conduct magnetic susceptibility studies on several of our planetary pieces including NWA 5000. He spent hours plotting hundred of points on NWA 5000 to create a susceptibility map. All I can tell you is that numbers his instruments measured were different for each and every point on the rock. I guess we will have to wait for the results and magnetic map to be published. If you are asking how attracted it is to a magnet, then my answer is as follows: NWA 5000 contains more metal than any rock from the Moon discovered, yet a magnet will barley stick to it unless you are in direct contact with a piece of elemental metal. I have magnets so powerful that the small amount of iron in breakfast cereal is enough to make the pieces of cereal stick to them, same for dry dog food. For the most part, planetary meteorites are not all that attracted to standard magnets. I recommend liberating a piece of a suspected planetary meteorite and then testing it with a magnet therefore preserving the rest of the mass for future study. A magnet will orient some of the dipoles into a new North South direction making some future studies impossible. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 2:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world This is probably the 'dumb question of the year' but, is there any magnetic susceptibility detectable on NWA 5000 or, for that matter any of your planetary pieces? See, told you it was going to be a dumb question. Mike in CO On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
Aloha, Its nice to see John Schooler on the list - I got my Paragould birthday meteorite slice from him-Mahalo nui John. And yes, dealers buy and trade from other dealers for their collections and inventory all the time. I got my first meteorite - a Canyon Diablo back in the late '60s from my uncle who returned to Hawaii after getting his schooling at Creighton to become a dentist. I treasured that iron until it was lost during a move. I've always been interested in astronomy and space exploration beginning with the first Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo missions, and still drives me in my educational outreach endeavors at the University of Hawaii Institute for Astronomy and as a NASA Solar System Ambassador (are there any others in metlistland?). I have sporadically added a few specimens to my collection throughout the years, but it was the Ash Creek fall that got my juices really flowing again. My collection now consists of ~250 distinct falls and over a hundred finds, some of which can be seen on my Facebook album (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2030992id=1394318075l=68d4748b5a). Each are a story unto themselves, as objects created out of the formation of our solar system, finding their way to earth, and how they were obtained. I have a passion for each and every specimen in my collection and in my inventory, but that does not preclude me from parting with any of them. For I believe that I am just a temporary steward for the care and curation of these cosmic interlopers, as they were here before me and will be here long after my mortal demise. My foray into becoming the Big Kahuna and starting a business was to help fund my collection and my outreach (last year I gave away over five kilos of meteorites to students, teachers and schools). But more importantly, it was to reciprocate the service, support and friendship that was given to me by a few of the reputable dealers (both IMCA and non-IMCA) that helped me out during my start. It can be a daunting experience to build your knowledge and collection with quality specimens without draining your bank account. Those dealers were instrumental in providing me with not just screaming deals, but a business paradigm not built around profit as the major focus. Mahalo nui loa, me kealoha pumehana, Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 On Aug 15, 2010, at 1:04 PM, john schooler wrote: Hello all: For those of you who do not know me, I am imca 9322, a serious meteorite collector and a dealer. I started collecting many years ago and now have 509 different witnessed falls in my collection, as well as 77 non-witnessed locations. I do not understand anyone associated with meteorites who sells but does not collect. For anyone interested in witnessed falls, check my website - www.schoolersinc.com. John - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
There is evidently more to IMCA membership than just sponsorship and fee. Whenever there is an organization that has the ability to modify your business in ways you don't agree, than membership is a concern or at least something to think about. The Chamber of Commerce decided to become very political and I could not belong anymore...just an example. If the basis for an organization evolves beyond the beginner's and member concepts of the organization, than it may be time to relieve the organization of such power. I believe in the IMCA reassuring the buyer that the member is honest and the product is labeled honestly. That's the major extent of what I thought the organization was. I have several emails concerned that the organization has taken different responsibilities and some officers have conflicting interests. It's a shame, I have met some very remarkable people within the IMCA and don't understand the emails I get. Everyone is 'quiet' about this problem...I get emails requesting this. I don't like that!!! Something is wrong and I hope the appropriate people fix this. Nobody needs to be quiet...we should be way beyond that, if not...maybe it should not be 'we'. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:09 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Greg, Al, Barry... I just was surprised to find that other dealers, and a fair amount of them dont have personal collections Hmm Greg, how would you quantify that percentage of dealers, who don't have an own meteorite collection? My own impression is, that those, who haven't any are quite exceptions and a very small minority. if you have 1 meteorite you are a collecter. If you have 2 meteorites you are a dealer. It simply depends on, and this question was posed often here on the list, how you define dealer. Maybe a more formal definition, abstracting away from personal intents and motivations, could be more exact? A dealer is someone, who sells regularly meteorites and does it in form of a registered business. And the other part of the meteorite market could be called amateurs in the original and positive meaning of this word. Amare = to love something. (which doesn't mean in reverse, that the dealers in this definition wouldn't love meteorites). like in the good old days. I fear I can't fully agree with Al, those mythic days were in my remembrance not so good and golden like our days. The choice a meteorite collector had was compared to today extremely limited. So few meteorites. So few dealers, that today some would speak of an oligopoly. The communication - wouldn't say, that it was more personal than today, where emails and words can be sent and received in unlimited quantities and almost with the speed of light. Without internet there weren't any forums or lists, where collectors could exchange their information and discuss. Meteorite people were much more far away from novelties, new finds, results from the current research. And everything was s slow in these days. The collector inevitably had to be an autodidact, cultivating his passions from the very few books available and the information from the few other meteorite persons, he knew (hoping that the kind of information wasn't biased by the intention of his counterpart to foist a meteorite upon to him). No possibilities existed to get an overview of the pieces currently available on the international market and especially almost no possibilities existed to compare and to challenge prices. It was the time of letter on papers and of phone calls. If you were lucky, you got a paper photo or a hand drawing of the specimen, you were interested in - but most specimens you were buying blindly. The collector simply had to swallow, what the dealer dished up. The only possibility, to do that, what now we all are doing in an instant or in seconds, was to travel to the largest mineral shows, where some of the handful of meteorite dealers then took part in. Today some veterans glorify these old days, because there are many more meteorites, many more offerers and such semi-anonymous platforms like ebay. But if they would be willing to spent only a fraction of the time and arduousness, they expended in the old days, they rhapsodize, they would see, that the meteorite scene of today is still very manageable. The number of new finds and the quantities of the desert finds, the other new finds, the new falls and the additional late finds of historic meteorites - the number of the collectibles! - is still very limited. Especially compared to quite all other fields of collecting. So is the number of offerers too. We have more than 300 cities on the globe with more than 1 million inhabitants. In the very most of them, you won't find any meteorite dealer. Well and today... if I would have told to Al 20 years ago: Al, I give you a lunar at 800$ a gram, a howardite at 10$ a gram, a CK at 8$ and an LL at 50 cents and an acapulcoite at 50$ and those Texas, Kansas ect. OC-stinkers from another country at 5cents a gram.. and Al, have you heard about so called R-chondrites, brachinites, CBs, CHs, CM1, KREEP and so on, then he probably would - caring as he is - had instantaneously called the emergency doctor :-) I think, what causes many veterans to be so sentimental is, that the The journey is the reward-notion of meteorite collecting is partially lost, as in former times you had to do so endlessly more to get a specimen into your collection. Partially - because still to get the very best stuff and the most extraordinary pieces in a collector still today can't be passive. And as irritating arbitrarily the new wealth of rare types may occur to the veteran, one still doesn't get all, what one wants to have. And I wouldn't say, that the personal contact between seller and collector has lost that much quality, still the relation is based on trust and reputation (and even still today often on mutual respect) - at least in certain segments of the market, which exceeds the occasional curio-trade of little shooting stars - and also partially on ebay, as with the maturing of the beginning collectors, they soon develop their preferences regarding dealers, service and reliability. I'd say, quite only the methods of communication have changed, it's
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
If you can't understand what I just wrote, no problem..I can't either..I'm challenged in that respect. If I were a seller and belonged to the IMCA (which will probably never happen now)...I would find it very hard to talk about these problems. I want the IMCA to know that I receive several emails from people in that situation. I think Carl hit it right on the head. Brings memories of reading Animal Farm in high school...it's going to blow up one of these days. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:09 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
If you can't understand what I just wrote, no problem..I can't either..I'm challenged in that respect. If I were a seller and belonged to the IMCA (which will probably never happen now)...I would find it very hard to talk about these problems. I want the IMCA to know that I receive several emails from people in that situation. I think Carl hit it right on the head. Brings memories of reading Animal Farm in high school...it's going to blow up one of these days. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: There is evidently more to IMCA membership than just sponsorship and fee. Whenever there is an organization that has the ability to modify your business in ways you don't agree, than membership is a concern or at least something to think about. The Chamber of Commerce decided to become very political and I could not belong anymore...just an example. If the basis for an organization evolves beyond the beginner's and member concepts of the organization, than it may be time to relieve the organization of such power. I believe in the IMCA reassuring the buyer that the member is honest and the product is labeled honestly. That's the major extent of what I thought the organization was. I have several emails concerned that the organization has taken different responsibilities and some officers have conflicting interests. It's a shame, I have met some very remarkable people within the IMCA and don't understand the emails I get. Everyone is 'quiet' about this problem...I get emails requesting this. I don't like that!!! Something is wrong and I hope the appropriate people fix this. Nobody needs to be quiet...we should be way beyond that, if not...maybe it should not be 'we'. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:09 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
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Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
This is probably the 'dumb question of the year' but, is there any magnetic susceptability detectable on NWA 5000 or, for that matter any of your planetary pieces? See, told you it was going to be a dumb question. Mike in CO On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike in CO, Magnetic susceptibility is a difficult question to answer. A CEREGE (CNRS), Geophysics and Planetologyscientist from France flew out here to Laughlin, NV, U.S.A. to conduct magnetic susceptibility studies on several of our planetary pieces including NWA 5000. He spent hours plotting hundred of points on NWA 5000 to create a susceptibility map. All I can tell you is that numbers his instruments measured were different for each and every point on the rock. I guess we will have to wait for the results and magnetic map to be published. If you are asking how attracted it is to a magnet, then my answer is as follows: NWA 5000 contains more metal than any rock from the Moon discovered, yet a magnet will barley stick to it unless you are in direct contact with a piece of elemental metal. I have magnets so powerful that the small amount of iron in breakfast cereal is enough to make the pieces of cereal stick to them, same for dry dog food. For the most part, planetary meteorites are not all that attracted to standard magnets. I recommend liberating a piece of a suspected planetary meteorite and then testing it with a magnet therefore preserving the rest of the mass for future study. A magnet will orient some of the dipoles into a new North South direction making some future studies impossible. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 2:02:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world This is probably the 'dumb question of the year' but, is there any magnetic susceptibility detectable on NWA 5000 or, for that matter any of your planetary pieces? See, told you it was going to be a dumb question. Mike in CO On Aug 16, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: Thank you, Greg, It is both a desert patina and fusion crust. The gray area is where the fusion crust was etched very thin by the prevailing winds and sand over the 1,000 year period it spent in Western Sahara. You can still observe contraction cracks in the gray areas where the crust is so thin that you can see the matrix through it. Most collectors do not realize that Lunar meteorites, for the most part, have brown fusion crusts. A few Mare pieces have smooth black fusion crusts and a few Highlands have translucent green fusion crusts. This is one of many clues that we have a prospective Lunaite in front of us. You will never see a wrinkly Eucrite-like black fusion crust on a lunar meteorite. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, August 16, 2010 10:27:33 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Adam/Greg: Very impressive. Is that a fusion crust on NWA 5000 or desert varnish? Greg S. Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:31:50 -0700 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw)
Al, and all When we got to well over 100 members in all corners of the globe, we had to organize, and become a legal entity. There was no choice there. And yes, that meant a Code of Ethics, ByLaws, Yearly Elections, but also a website, and the Encyclopedia of Meteorites,etc, and yes that also meant $20 a year dues, to pay expenses, and so we could have funds to keep on growing and helping newcomers. And we now have 339 members and applications coming in everyday.. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. As for a group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing. Isn't it how the IMCA started some 10 years ago? And you know what happened when it grew! See paragraph above. Are you thinking about doing that all over again? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, alm...@kconline.com writes: Hi Scott and all, There are quite a few good dealers who are not IMCA members. In fact some of the larger, most successful dealers are not. So don't cut yourself off from those long time decent dealers. I'd be glad to compose a list for you. I belonged at first but decided not to renew when they became official with dues and so forth. I believe as a newer person collecting meteorites it would be a better choice for your protection. Anne has encouraged me to join again and I probably should. Don't know if I could find two people to recommend me though :-) Perhaps we should have a remaining group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing but then in the beginning that is how things worked. Since we now seem to get a new dealer of meteorites about every month or two, not everyone knows everyone else like in the good old days. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Mitterling.com - Original Message - From: Scott Schulz swsch...@astrum.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: I am in the crazy newcomer mode of buying. My wife found a slice in a small box in the garbage yesterday, because she wanted the box for Christmas gifts. I had thrown it away. I am relieved to hear that there are others out there with crazy newcomer disease. I caught it about a week ago, and it has hit hard. On the other hand, it is sad to see that even this hobby has it's share of dishonorable folks. Sad. But I am glad to see that there exists an organization like the IMCA. I know that logo is the first thing I look for once an auction/sale notice catches my eye. SwS __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago. Now, its readily available, many types at less then $300 per gram! Hope everyone is doing good and no feelings ruffled from this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 8/15/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw) To: alm...@kconline.com, swsch...@astrum.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:17 PM Al, and all When we got to well over 100 members in all corners of the globe, we had to organize, and become a legal entity. There was no choice there. And yes, that meant a Code of Ethics, ByLaws, Yearly Elections, but also a website, and the Encyclopedia of Meteorites,etc, and yes that also meant $20 a year dues, to pay expenses, and so we could have funds to keep on growing and helping newcomers. And we now have 339 members and applications coming in everyday.. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. As for a group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing. Isn't it how the IMCA started some 10 years ago? And you know what happened when it grew! See paragraph above. Are you thinking about doing that all over again? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, alm...@kconline.com writes: Hi Scott and all, There are quite a few good dealers who are not IMCA members. In fact some of the larger, most successful dealers are not. So don't cut yourself off from those long time decent dealers. I'd be glad to compose a list for you. I belonged at first but decided not to renew when they became official with dues and so forth. I believe as a newer person collecting meteorites it would be a better choice for your protection. Anne has encouraged me to join again and I probably should. Don't know if I could find two people to recommend me though :-) Perhaps we should have a remaining group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing but then in the beginning that is how things worked. Since we now seem to get a new dealer of meteorites about every month or two, not everyone knows everyone else like in the good old days. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Mitterling.com - Original Message - From: Scott Schulz swsch...@astrum.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: I am in the crazy newcomer mode of buying. My wife found a slice in a small box in the garbage yesterday, because she wanted the box for Christmas gifts
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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G'Day Greg Very interesting what you put forward. But I think that some pride themselves in being dealers, which is not a big deal. You have dealers or brokers that deal in high end coins and none of them have a coin collection. Their job is to supply to the collectors and I personally am glad that they're out there, not that I have purchased much in many months, but I feel without the dealers we wouldn't have the supply. Personally, I'm not a dealer; I'm a collector. Everyone's got to play a part. But I think if I was a dealer, I'd break down and collect the best of the best.. I wish. ;-) Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Greg Catterton Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:56 PM To: alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago. Now, its readily available, many types at less then $300 per gram! Hope everyone is doing good and no feelings ruffled from this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 8/15/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw) To: alm...@kconline.com, swsch...@astrum.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:17 PM Al, and all When we got to well over 100 members in all corners of the globe, we had to organize, and become a legal entity. There was no choice there. And yes, that meant a Code of Ethics, ByLaws, Yearly Elections, but also a website, and the Encyclopedia of Meteorites,etc, and yes that also meant $20 a year dues, to pay expenses, and so we could have funds to keep on growing and helping newcomers. And we now have 339 members and applications coming in everyday.. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. As for a group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing. Isn't it how the IMCA started some 10 years ago? And you know what happened when it grew! See paragraph above. Are you thinking about doing that all over again? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, alm...@kconline.com writes: Hi Scott and all, There are quite a few good dealers who are not IMCA members. In fact some of the larger, most successful dealers are not. So don't cut yourself off from those long time decent dealers. I'd be glad to compose a list for you. I belonged at first but decided not to renew when they became official with dues and so forth. I believe as a newer person collecting meteorites it would be a better choice for your protection
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world
G'Day Adam Wow! And double Wow! Sorry, I was picking my jaw up off the ground. What an awesome collection. I'm totally impressed. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:32 PM To: Adam Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Adam and List, Holy Smokes Batman! That is a seriously hardcore collection of main masses. That NWA 5000 is big enough to place on the floor and stand on it carefully. Then you can say that you walked on the moon..! ;) I started out as a collector and then started trading/selling specimens to make the hobby finance itself. As time progressed, I became more absorbed into meteorites and dealing them just seemed a natural extension of my interest. Then I started cutting and polishing meteorites. But, with the economic downturn and a rash of medical bills, I was forced to sell off many of my favorite pieces from my personal stash collection. I still have a seperate collection which is different from the offerings on my website, but it consists mostly of sentimental pieces, unclassified pieces, and and eclectic range of micromounts of various falls and odd types. Generally speaking, any of these pieces on their own is not worth a lot of money, so the temptation to sell them when under financial pressure has been minimal. Thus these pieces have longevity in my collection. For example, I still have the very first meteorites that I ever bought and I would not sell them, even if I was pressed for cash. If finances were not a limitation, I would obsessively indulge my desire to accumulate meteorites and the house would be filled to the rafters with them. I'm currently in the process of slowly rebuilding my personal collection (for the 2nd time now, this will be my 3rd collection). At it's peak, I had over 100 localities in my personal stash and only a small percentage of those were sub-gram micromounts. Now, I have about the same amount of localities, but only if I include the my trade/resale inventory and many of those are micros. Meteorites is just one extension of my collecting obsession, that also includes rocks, crystals, tektites, meteorwrongs, fossils, and other stuff. Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 8/15/10, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: The question was presented. How many dealers have a personal collection? My brother Greg and I started out as collectors and continue to this day. I believe we have more planetary main masses than anybody in the world. Here is an image of part of the Hupe Planetary Collection. http://themeteoritesite.com/HupeCollectionMainMasses.jpg We have a few more planetary main masses that are not included in this image, either because they were out on loan or too small. Enjoy and Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Point taken Greg. But there is another side to this picture. I was collecting minerals (and still am) long before Alain Carion introduced me to meteorites. When I started to meet and know dealers I was struck by comments I kept on hearing coming out of those dealers, something like I found a bunch of pieces, but one is so great I am keeping it for myself, and I am still hearing or reading here that very same comment now coming out of meteorite dealers. Except for one dealer: David New. Few of you know him but he was one of the very first meteorite dealers, with Robert Haag and Alain Carion, and just as respected. And Dave had a completely different opinion, he used to say No I do not collect meteorites because I do not want to compete with my clients. That made perfect sense to me, and it is only fair. Why should your customers get second-best anyway? So I still collect minerals, but not meteorites. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 4:03:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes: A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago. Now, its readily available, many types at less then $300 per gram! Hope everyone is doing good and no feelings ruffled from this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I find that most collectors do need or want the very best specimens, far too expensive. They desire a nice example that represents a certain type with the proper study, preparation, ID cards and provenance. They demand good service which they are entitled to. Very few are able to step up and spend thousands during this very poor economy. Second best would be an excellent acquisition and museum quality in most cases. I have several very small specimens in my collection that I am completely happy with that would not even come close to being second best or 20th best for that matter. If somebody desired one of our collection main masses and could afford it, I am sure we would reluctantly part with it. They do very little good sitting in safe deposit boxes and have nearly cost us our life savings. We have parted with a few main masses after enjoying them for awhile with a couple sitting in museums. We could have made far more by cutting them completely up but our desire to preserve ponderable masses has prevented us from doing so. I make the largest pieces available first and then break them down into more affordable pieces with time so everybody has a shot at a first class specimen. The main masses are set aside after cutting and a few are made available every year. Our collection is dynamic, changing all of the time so the very best specimens do come up sometimes. It would be very limiting if this thin market only demanded the very best specimens which very few could afford anyway. I see no conflict whatsoever with dealers maintaining personal collections. It demonstrates a sincere interest in meteorites that goes far beyond the monetary aspect of it. If it were all about money, they would not bother collecting them at all and dispose of every piece as quickly as possible. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I heard one autograph dealer once say I enjoy the letters while they are in my possession, and when I sell them, they are replaced by new ones that I enjoy as long as I have them. I guess the same can go for meteorite dealers. You can have a passion for the items which you sell, enjoy them while you have them, but still sell them. Really depends on the nature of the person, rather than whether one has the passion or not. Mark Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Point taken Greg. But there is another side to this picture. I was collecting minerals (and still am) long before Alain Carion introduced me to meteorites. When I started to meet and know dealers I was struck by comments I kept on hearing coming out of those dealers, something like I found a bunch of pieces, but one is so great I am keeping it for myself, and I am still hearing or reading here that very same comment now coming out of meteorite dealers. Except for one dealer: David New. Few of you know him but he was one of the very first meteorite dealers, with Robert Haag and Alain Carion, and just as respected. And Dave had a completely different opinion, he used to say No I do not collect meteorites because I do not want to compete with my clients. That made perfect sense to me, and it is only fair. Why should your customers get second-best anyway? So I still collect minerals, but not meteorites. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 4:03:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes: A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago. Now, its readily available, many types at less then $300 per gram! Hope everyone is doing good and no feelings ruffled from this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Good question Greg. Interesting answers so far too. I'll comment as someone who collects and has never been a dealer. 20 or so years ago when I started collecting coins, I found that most of the better dealers were the ones that collected as well. They had the knowledge and enthusiasm of a collector and often understood the mentality of the collector better than those who were just out to sell. I found that many of these better collector/dealers would collect something other than what they sold. For instance, they sold Morgan Dollars, but their personal collecting was Half Cents. If noticed this a bit with meteorite dealers who collect. I recently was visiting a local dealer who is focusing his personal collecting on rare falls. Not exactly what he is necessarily known for selling, but you could see how excited he was in by his micros, even though he had much larger and attractive specimens in stock that I was drooling over. I would imagine that most dealers got their start as a way to fund their collecting, and I suspect that almost all collect something, even if their collecting habits are not meteorites. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I have often thought that also, its a great point you mentioned. For me with my interest in space, now knowing I can own pieces of it... I just could not imagine not having a collection and would be sad not to have one after having what I do now. Im not saying its bad to sell but not collect, there is good money in selling meteorites and I doubt many would argue that. I just was surprised to find that other dealers, and a fair amount of them dont have personal collections. To understand and know about meteorites and sell them but not collect them is just something I just could not do. I have enjoyed reading the replies to this and thank those that have shared pictures of their collections. Been a good discussion so far! Hope everyone is doing good, Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com (Home of the $100 per gram angrite) IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 8/15/10, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: From: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world To: impact...@aol.com, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com, alm...@kconline.com, swsch...@astrum.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 9:15 PM I heard one autograph dealer once say I enjoy the letters while they are in my possession, and when I sell them, they are replaced by new ones that I enjoy as long as I have them. I guess the same can go for meteorite dealers. You can have a passion for the items which you sell, enjoy them while you have them, but still sell them. Really depends on the nature of the person, rather than whether one has the passion or not. Mark Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world Point taken Greg. But there is another side to this picture. I was collecting minerals (and still am) long before Alain Carion introduced me to meteorites. When I started to meet and know dealers I was struck by comments I kept on hearing coming out of those dealers, something like I found a bunch of pieces, but one is so great I am keeping it for myself, and I am still hearing or reading here that very same comment now coming out of meteorite dealers. Except for one dealer: David New. Few of you know him but he was one of the very first meteorite dealers, with Robert Haag and Alain Carion, and just as respected. And Dave had a completely different opinion, he used to say No I do not collect meteorites because I do not want to compete with my clients. That made perfect sense to me, and it is only fair. Why should your customers get second-best anyway? So I still collect minerals, but not meteorites. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 4:03:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com writes: A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed
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Correction: I find that most collectors do not need or want the very best specimens, far too expensive. It should have read do not need instead of do need. Sorry for the error and repost, Adam - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, August 15, 2010 5:55:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world I find that most collectors do need or want the very best specimens, far too expensive. They desire a nice example that represents a certain type with the proper study, preparation, ID cards and provenance. They demand good service which they are entitled to. Very few are able to step up and spend thousands during this very poor economy. Second best would be an excellent acquisition and museum quality in most cases. I have several very small specimens in my collection that I am completely happy with that would not even come close to being second best or 20th best for that matter. If somebody desired one of our collection main masses and could afford it, I am sure we would reluctantly part with it. They do very little good sitting in safe deposit boxes and have nearly cost us our life savings. We have parted with a few main masses after enjoying them for awhile with a couple sitting in museums. We could have made far more by cutting them completely up but our desire to preserve ponderable masses has prevented us from doing so. I make the largest pieces available first and then break them down into more affordable pieces with time so everybody has a shot at a first class specimen. The main masses are set aside after cutting and a few are made available every year. Our collection is dynamic, changing all of the time so the very best specimens do come up sometimes. It would be very limiting if this thin market only demanded the very best specimens which very few could afford anyway. I see no conflict whatsoever with dealers maintaining personal collections. It demonstrates a sincere interest in meteorites that goes far beyond the monetary aspect of it. If it were all about money, they would not bother collecting them at all and dispose of every piece as quickly as possible. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello all: For those of you who do not know me, I am imca 9322, a serious meteorite collector and a dealer. I started collecting many years ago and now have 509 different witnessed falls in my collection, as well as 77 non-witnessed locations. I do not understand anyone associated with meteorites who sells but does not collect. For anyone interested in witnessed falls, check my website - www.schoolersinc.com. John - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago. Now, its readily available, many types at less then $300 per gram! Hope everyone is doing good and no feelings ruffled from this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites --- On Sun, 8/15/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw) To: alm...@kconline.com, swsch...@astrum.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, August 15, 2010, 4:17 PM Al, and all When we got to well over 100 members in all corners of the globe, we had to organize, and become a legal entity. There was no choice there. And yes, that meant a Code of Ethics, ByLaws, Yearly Elections, but also a website, and the Encyclopedia of Meteorites,etc, and yes that also meant $20 a year dues, to pay expenses, and so we could have funds to keep on growing and helping newcomers. And we now have 339 members and applications coming in everyday.. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. As for a group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing. Isn't it how the IMCA started some 10 years ago? And you know what happened when it grew! See paragraph above. Are you thinking about doing that all over again? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, alm...@kconline.com writes: Hi Scott and all, There are quite a few good dealers who are not IMCA members. In fact some of the larger, most successful dealers are not. So don't cut yourself off from those long time decent dealers. I'd be glad to compose a list for you. I belonged at first but decided not to renew when they became official with dues and so forth. I believe as a newer person collecting meteorites it would be a better choice for your protection. Anne has encouraged me to join again and I probably should. Don't know if I could find two people to recommend me though :-) Perhaps we should have a remaining group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing but then in the beginning that is how things worked. Since we now seem to get a new dealer of meteorites
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Meteorites are a simple commodity so brokers are a natural thing. I wonder how many resident hunters in NWA and elsewhere have a few they're hesitant to part with. Sentiment based on the circumstances of a find can be very powerful regardless of value or need. I've spent my life buying and selling every type of collectible you can imagine and as hard as I have tried I just couldn't keep it all. There comes a time when maintaining these collections becomes overwhelming. I suppose I'm disqualified as I'm not a meteorite dealer. In the truest sense of the word, isn't a dealer one that only acquires and sells? Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:56:27 -0700 From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world A question I have thought about... How many meteorite dealers actually collect meteorites? Im not talking about one or two, Im talking about a nice collection that is not for stock. For me, I see and am finding out more and more dealers that dont actually collect meteorites. This is shocking to me. Perhaps this is due to the fact I am a collector (even if I do sell meteorites, its more to help build my collection) and have been bitten by the meteorite bug. Im sure this may draw some heat, I dont mean for it to, but topics like this seems to bring drama on here... So... here it goes... Why do you dealers sell meteorites that dont have collections? To not collect something implies that you may not have a passion for meteorites that collectors have. Is it for the money? What is it that draws you into the meteorite field? I have seen some of the bigger and longtime dealers used to be treasure hunters which leads me to think that meteorites were the next treasure for you to seek and get paid off. I ask this not not create problems or drama with this, but out of honest interest in why some of you sell meteorites that dont collect. I got into meteorites purely by accident, but it (anything related to space) was a passion I had since I was a child. Once I found out I could actually own a real meteorite, let alone pieces of the Moon and Mars, It was honestly like a dream come true for me. I only started selling when I quickly found out that without the extra income, I could not afford this addiction I developed. the whole reason I started selling is I couldnt afford the $1000 per gram for the cheapest lunar I could find 3 years ago. Now, its readily available, many types at less then $300 per gram! Hope everyone is doing good and no feelings ruffled from this. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw)
Hi Anne, I'm not a member, but I've got to say, Al is definitely one of the good guys on this List. Wish more were like him. Greg L. From: impact...@aol.com Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 16:17:08 -0400 To: alm...@kconline.com; swsch...@astrum.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw) Al, and all When we got to well over 100 members in all corners of the globe, we had to organize, and become a legal entity. There was no choice there. And yes, that meant a Code of Ethics, ByLaws, Yearly Elections, but also a website, and the Encyclopedia of Meteorites,etc, and yes that also meant $20 a year dues, to pay expenses, and so we could have funds to keep on growing and helping newcomers. And we now have 339 members and applications coming in everyday.. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. As for a group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing. Isn't it how the IMCA started some 10 years ago? And you know what happened when it grew! See paragraph above. Are you thinking about doing that all over again? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 8/15/2010 1:22:29 PM Mountain Daylight Time, alm...@kconline.com writes: Hi Scott and all, There are quite a few good dealers who are not IMCA members. In fact some of the larger, most successful dealers are not. So don't cut yourself off from those long time decent dealers. I'd be glad to compose a list for you. I belonged at first but decided not to renew when they became official with dues and so forth. I believe as a newer person collecting meteorites it would be a better choice for your protection. Anne has encouraged me to join again and I probably should. Don't know if I could find two people to recommend me though :-) Perhaps we should have a remaining group of dealers that have some sort of stamp of approval and self governing but then in the beginning that is how things worked. Since we now seem to get a new dealer of meteorites about every month or two, not everyone knows everyone else like in the good old days. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Mitterling.com - Original Message - From: Scott Schulz swsch...@astrum.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] STOLEN meteorites - from Allen Shaw On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: I am in the crazy newcomer mode of buying. My wife found a slice in a small box in the garbage yesterday, because she wanted the box for Christmas gifts. I had thrown it away. I am relieved to hear that there are others out there with crazy newcomer disease. I caught it about a week ago, and it has hit hard. On the other hand, it is sad to see that even this hobby has it's share of dishonorable folks. Sad. But I am glad to see that there exists an organization like the IMCA. I know that logo is the first thing I look for once an auction/sale notice catches my eye. SwS __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
