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Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet from the astronaut's head? Why does all of the communication sound scripted? These are professionals trained to work well under extreme pressure, now Look at the press conference after the Apollo 11 flight. It does not take an expert in body language to see that they are very uncomfortable...not elated and excited as would be the first people to walk on the moon. Computer limitations, the combined CSM and LM guidance computers totaled 152kb of memory - and this system supposedly traveled 60,000% further than any manned spacecraft has gone before or since - come on! We have lost 14 brave shuttle astronauts who never left earth orbit, at a distance of under 300 miles. We had and still have the technology to fake it, but not to land men on the moon. and don't take my word for it - go see for yourself, there are more questions than answers. - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com; METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 7:27:22 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Oh no. We went to the moon. You will have to get over that dead issue. There is too much proof. There are old guys in Australia that pointed the dish to the moon to capture the first words ever spoken that laugh at people that believe it was a hoax. You don't understand the meaning of my post. We can't get ourselves in orbit due to political nonsense. Honestly, claiming that we did not go to the moon is a HUGE discredit to all of the thousands of people that worked on the project. If we didn't go to the moon, never mind all the evidence that is clear, tell me, why didn't the Russians call us out on it??? There was a loss of life during the Apollo missions. Three good men lost their lives. To say we didn't go to the moon is to dishonor them as well. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself. Look at some of the Japanese
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With all due respect, I think I will choose to take my own advice to someone earlier this week and just smile and nod. Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:50:48 -0700 From: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet from the astronaut's head? Why does all of the communication sound scripted? These are professionals trained to work well under extreme pressure, now Look at the press conference after the Apollo 11 flight. It does not take an expert in body language to see that they are very uncomfortable...not elated and excited as would be the first people to walk on the moon. Computer limitations, the combined CSM and LM guidance computers totaled 152kb of memory - and this system supposedly traveled 60,000% further than any manned spacecraft has gone before or since - come on! We have lost 14 brave shuttle astronauts who never left earth orbit, at a distance of under 300 miles. We had and still have the technology to fake it, but not to land men on the moon. and don't take my word for it - go see for yourself, there are more questions than answers. - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com; METEORITE LIST Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 7:27:22 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Oh no. We went to the moon. You will have to get over that dead issue. There is too much proof. There are old guys in Australia that pointed the dish to the moon to capture the first words ever spoken that laugh at people that believe it was a hoax. You don't understand the meaning of my post. We can't get ourselves in orbit due to political nonsense. Honestly, claiming that we did not go to the moon is a HUGE discredit to all
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This nutjob has no place on a list whose members are dedicated to the science of meteoritics (or dedicated to any science). He's an embarrassment. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: power ofunity energylightandl...@yahoo.com To: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response Please Warren, your canned responses were expected... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:59:45 -0600, you wrote: This nutjob has no place on a list whose members are dedicated to the science of meteoritics (or dedicated to any science). He's an embarrassment. I agree. I'm adding a name to my killfile. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Jessica, With all due respect, you have not done your homework. The questions which you pose have been discredited numerous times. And some are just plain silly. For example, how can you claim that there was no direct TV feed?? I don't know how old you are, but I sat in front of our television and watched as Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon. There are plenty of tapes...but unfortunately, the highest quality ones do seem to have been lost. Regarding your contention that there are no blurry photos and that all are perfectly composed, I must disagree. Perhaps all of the photos which you have seen are perfect but obviously, you have not seen them all. I have spent the past couple of years studying the photos from the Apollo missions as well as stitching them together and cleaning them up as necessary to create large panoramic images. There are many which are out of focus, poorly composed, taken mistakenly and damaged by lunar dust and contaminants. check out this link: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/ But overall, the highly trained astronauts did an amazing job. I don't know the first thing about golf, but just because you go out and putter around on the greens does not make you an expert...particularly when you consider the major differences between the environments here on Earth and on the Moon. Why no Stars?? The astronauts were working in daylight. How many stars (other than our sun) do you see when you go outside during the day?? No engine sound?? With no atmosphere, there is not a medium to carry the sound waves. Didn't you ever see the movie Alien?? There is a reason why they used the tag line In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream. I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Dennis Beatty ApolloCollector.com On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:50 AM, power ofunity wrote: Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote: I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time. If you google her mailing address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells metaphysical minterals. Assuming that minterals is a typo for minerals, I think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical properties of rocks and vibrational energies and body chakras. Likely sells meteorites for healing properties or some other codswallop. http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dangerous ground! I am not saying I think one way or the other on this subject of the Moon Landing but when you seek to stop, isolate, or ostracize any one for asking questions it quits being Science and becomes religion. Why go right to attacking this person? Defending your position with alternative ideas or facts is great but this thread has only focused on discrediting the question asker. These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote: I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time. If you google her mailing address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells metaphysical minterals. Assuming that minterals is a typo for minerals, I think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical properties of rocks and vibrational energies and body chakras. Likely sells meteorites for healing properties or some other codswallop. http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote: These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both the views and the view-holders deserve no respect. Especially concidering that at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions. Anyone that believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not exist) is a fool that deserves derision. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Tom, I don't believe that my reply to Jessica (at least to begin with) was in any way an attack. I addressed several of her questions with facts. After stating that I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information she provided absolutely no data and no facts to support her position. All that was provided was a shotgun blast of conspiracy theory, quotes taken out of context, dubiously related personal experience and opinion. I will admit that my final sentence was a bit demeaning, but at that point, I realized that no matter what info I would provide, her mind was already made up. It both saddens me and angers me that some people in our society can't accept the idea that when we put our mind to it, we can achieve greatness. I also find it perplexing that someone who doesn't believe that we landed on the Moon, uses amazing spin-off technology to voice her misguided opinions. Dennis Beatty ApolloCollector.com On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:54 AM, starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: Dangerous ground! I am not saying I think one way or the other on this subject of the Moon Landing but when you seek to stop, isolate, or ostracize any one for asking questions it quits being Science and becomes religion. Why go right to attacking this person? Defending your position with alternative ideas or facts is great but this thread has only focused on discrediting the question asker. These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote: I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time. If you google her mailing address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells metaphysical minterals. Assuming that minterals is a typo for minerals, I think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical properties of rocks and vibrational energies and body chakras. Likely sells meteorites for healing properties or some other codswallop. http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- On Sat, 4/24/10, power ofunity energylightandl...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a professional photographer, ... Where are the stars? I usually don't waste one minute of my time on this mindless drivel, because those who are convinced that all the evidence is wrong or faked, but on this one topic, a so called professional photographer would know instantly that this issue, if nothing else was a canard. You don't need to be a professional to know that if you make an exposure with any camera with the rule of thumb settings for direct sunlight, ie. ISO 100, f/16, 1/100th second, NO stars will be recorded. Why? Because they are too faint to be recorded. The exposures made on the lunar surface were in daylight. The cameras were set for direct sunlight exposures. The reason the sky is black is because there is no atmosphere, not because it was night. Stars in the sky WOULD BE evidence that the images were faked, not the other way around. A professional photographer needs to understand and be an expert in their own field. Any photographer that doesn't know this extremely basic fundamental of photograph certainly is no expert, and most likely not even a photographer. If you can't understand the fundamentals in a field you claim an expert level of understanding, how can you possible understand something of far more complexity like global politics, celestial mechanics, or manned spaceflight? Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 11:16:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote: These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both the views and the view-holders deserve no respect. Especially concidering that at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions. Anyone that believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not exist) is a fool that deserves derision. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Would you also respect the right of somebody to consume forum bandwidth to argue that the Earth is flat? Seriously, this Moon hoax nonsense is of the same caliber. It isn't like they bring up any new arguments. Always the same old stuff- no stars, funny shadows, no blast pits- stuff that has long since been convincingly addressed. At some point you just have to recognize a crazy person as a crazy person. In public you nod and smile and walk away; in a private forum like this, you cancel their account. Pretty simple. No respect or tolerance is due them or their ideas. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: starsinthed...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Why was there no direct Tv Feed - This one I can speak to. Ever since the movie The Dish, I've 'looked into' the Parkes Radio Telescope. The story as depicted in the movie is relatively correct, aside from a bit of dramatic license. Parkes was supposed to be a backup for the main video feed from the first Lunar broadcast, got bumped to main, and filled its responsibilities admirably in picking up and broadcasting the lunar feed, live. Several of the original techs who ran the telescope at that time are still around today; why not check with them about what they remember from that first broadcast? If you accuse them of faking the signal, well, I'm pretty sure you won't receive any offers of a 'stubbie' down at the local pub... Mythbusters did a fairly comprehensive debunking of some of the most common quibbles anti-moon-landing theorists have. Feel free to look it up. Best! Tracy Latimer _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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While the Mythbusters on Discovery Channel sometimes get things wrong because of their poor methodology, they did do a very good job of explaining and demonstrating why the majority of the hoaxers claims are incorrect. Some if not all of the Moon Hoax episode is available on Youtube. Here's part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0 Of course, if the facts don't convince you of the true, a couple of wacky guys on TV won't either. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 10:35 AM Would you also respect the right of somebody to consume forum bandwidth to argue that the Earth is flat? Seriously, this Moon hoax nonsense is of the same caliber. It isn't like they bring up any new arguments. Always the same old stuff- no stars, funny shadows, no blast pits- stuff that has long since been convincingly addressed. At some point you just have to recognize a crazy person as a crazy person. In public you nod and smile and walk away; in a private forum like this, you cancel their account. Pretty simple. No respect or tolerance is due them or their ideas. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: starsinthed...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:45:42 +, you wrote: Mythbusters did a fairly comprehensive debunking Here's Penn and the other guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWZ_LCnkE7A __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:27:29 -0400, you wrote: Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) Yes LRO, no Japanese. http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/newsroom.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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LRO is a US mission Here is the page of the images of the Apollo LM descent stages on the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html The only one not presented here is Apollo 12 Note on the Apollo 14 images, that the descent stage, scientific instruments and the trails of dust disturbed by Shepard and Mitchell can clearly be seen in the image! Yeah but its a NASA website of a new NASA mission so this is just more hoaxing... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:27 AM Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Phil / List, Yes, the Japanese did take several photos of landing sites. No, this did not deal a death blow for conspiracy theorists. They are arguing a belief they have accepted as fact. For them, it is akin to arguing religion. You could have their own siblings doing back flips on the moon accompanied by both parents and a notary all wearing clocks like Flava Flav and they still wouldn't believe it. They would think the government and Public Enemy got to them and brainwashed them. Your point about the Russians is noted. It also drives my point stated earlier. The Russians would have called us out. We didn't pay them enough money to be quiet this long. They are broke in that region. Someone would be offering to go on a conspiracy show by now. Buzz Aldrin punching someone for bringing up the hoax is all the proof I need. A man with his composure losing his temper shows the insult he felt when confronted with such nonsense. I could believe in flies fossilized in meteorites or skin cell chondules before I believe that the lunar landing was a hoax. Warren Sansoucie From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:27:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Disguised as a point of view about the Apollo program, lunar landings, NASA, the astronauts, and historical events, the arguments presented are, at the heart of them, defamatory slanders directed at dozens, hundreds, thousands of individuals (depending on the full width of the conspiratoral argument), malicious libel, regardless of the delusional sincerity of the speaker. There is no requirement for tolerating or respecting that in any venue and certainly not here. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: starsinthed...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 11:16:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote: These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both the views and the view-holders deserve no respect. Especially concidering that at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions. Anyone that believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not exist) is a fool that deserves derision. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
List, I stand partly corrected. LRO did take many photos. When speaking of the Japanese accomplishments I was referring to the SELENE lunar orbiter. The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) launched their SELENE lunar orbiter on September 14, 2007 (JST) from Tanegashima Space Center. SELENE orbited the Moon at about 100 kilometers (62 mi) altitude. In May 2008 JAXA reported detecting the halo generated by the Apollo 15 lunar module engine exhaust from a Terrain Camera image.[55] A 3-D reconstructed photo also matched the terrain of an Apollo 15 photograph taken from the surface. Best Wishes, Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:45:29 -0700 From: damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response LRO is a US mission Here is the page of the images of the Apollo LM descent stages on the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html The only one not presented here is Apollo 12 Note on the Apollo 14 images, that the descent stage, scientific instruments and the trails of dust disturbed by Shepard and Mitchell can clearly be seen in the image! Yeah but its a NASA website of a new NASA mission so this is just more hoaxing... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: From: JoshuaTreeMuseum Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:27 AM Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Last year, I astral projected to the Moon. I walked on the Apollo landing sites and examined the artifacts left behind. I can state with surety that the landings were not faked. ;) On 4/24/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: LRO is a US mission Here is the page of the images of the Apollo LM descent stages on the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html The only one not presented here is Apollo 12 Note on the Apollo 14 images, that the descent stage, scientific instruments and the trails of dust disturbed by Shepard and Mitchell can clearly be seen in the image! Yeah but its a NASA website of a new NASA mission so this is just more hoaxing... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:27 AM Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
--- On Sat, 4/24/10, Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com wrote: Buzz Aldrin punching someone for bringing up the hoax is all the proof I need. A man with his composure losing his temper shows the insult he felt when confronted with such nonsense. A little back story on this episode probably warrants some comment too. A conspiracy theorist named Bart Sibrel continuosly staked, harassed and incited Aldrin to admit the landings were faked. At the time of the punch, Sibrel had approached Aldrin, with his own film crew, with the express intent to get a reaction out of Aldrin, and record it. He was calling Aldrin a coward and a liar and a thief. Aldrin, who had been dealing with the clown for some time before this point apparently would take no more of it. All I can say is Hooray for Buzz! A lesser man would not have waited so long and probably would have thrown more than just one punch. But then again, this speaks of the caliber of the 12 men who did what most of mankind has only been able to dream of before and since; They actually walked on the surface of the moon. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OFF-Topic-Fake Lunar Landing Response
Maybe we could send Ed Mitchell back to the moon to verify the evidence. We could send along Lisa Nowak (along with plenty of diapers) to make sure Ed doesn't do anything squirrelly. Phil (Oswald didn't do it) Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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LOL you dropped the Ed Mitchell bomb. Ed Mitchell, with all respects paid, is a conspiracy theorist. His accounts are no more proof backed than the hoax theorists. However if he is right then I would believe that we didn't go to the moon.wait... if his conspiracy is right then we DID go to the moon. Uhhhg. Conspiracies. So much more complex than what they try to cover. When are we going to stop all this nonsense. When are we going to stop weaving ridiculous schemes into delusions. Sometimes in life an empty Coke bottle that conks you on your head was just some ass that threw it out of a plane and not the gods being angry. I'm done talking off topic. Arguing hoaxes and conspiracies is about as much fun as playing dodge ball with a 6 lb NWA. Best Wishes, Warren Sansoucie From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:17:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-Topic-Fake Lunar Landing Response Maybe we could send Ed Mitchell back to the moon to verify the evidence. We could send along Lisa Nowak (along with plenty of diapers) to make sure Ed doesn't do anything squirrelly. Phil (Oswald didn't do it) Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sometimes in life an empty Coke bottle that conks you on your head was just some ass that threw it out of a plane and not the gods being angry. That was a good movie...The God's Must Be Cracy? or something like that. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Hello All! Haven't really been reading this debate about the Apollo missions but take it that there is some doubt about the actuality of a landing. I recently purchased Direct From The Moon which is actual footage from the Japanese lunar orbiter Kaguya. The video is High Def and they used duel cameras for the 3 dimensional portions. It is a wonderful dvd of the moon. And it shows clear images of the lunar missions, left behind modules and the disturbed lunar surface caused by departure.. Buy it, you'll like it! Dennis From: apollocollec...@q.com To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response Hello Jessica, With all due respect, you have not done your homework. The questions which you pose have been discredited numerous times. And some are just plain silly. For example, how can you claim that there was no direct TV feed?? I don't know how old you are, but I sat in front of our television and watched as Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon. There are plenty of tapes...but unfortunately, the highest quality ones do seem to have been lost. Regarding your contention that there are no blurry photos and that all are perfectly composed, I must disagree. Perhaps all of the photos which you have seen are perfect but obviously, you have not seen them all. I have spent the past couple of years studying the photos from the Apollo missions as well as stitching them together and cleaning them up as necessary to create large panoramic images. There are many which are out of focus, poorly composed, taken mistakenly and damaged by lunar dust and contaminants. check out this link: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/ But overall, the highly trained astronauts did an amazing job. I don't know the first thing about golf, but just because you go out and putter around on the greens does not make you an expert...particularly when you consider the major differences between the environments here on Earth and on the Moon. Why no Stars?? The astronauts were working in daylight. How many stars (other than our sun) do you see when you go outside during the day?? No engine sound?? With no atmosphere, there is not a medium to carry the sound waves. Didn't you ever see the movie Alien?? There is a reason why they used the tag line In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream. I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Dennis Beatty ApolloCollector.com On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:50 AM, power ofunity wrote: Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen
