[meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hello List, Pat is working on a 1.2 kilo piece of Admire I found last year, yes it started rusting. I will know the results soon, what I have seen so far, I think I will be stop the rusting. I will come back to the list with my findings. Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES http://www.meteorman.org 314-596-1435 Member IMCA-4781 International Meteorite Collectors Association - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in DealingwithLando wners OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most stable pallasites. Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites. No need to dissolve them in acid and try to sell the gemstones as jewelry. Doubt Pat's process? That's fine - hang on to your rusters until they fall apart. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 2/22/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: OK, fair enough. So anyway you get Paloma Picasso to design some matching sets of necklaces, bracelets, earrings, tiaras, rings with shooting star themes. Then have the writers think up some kind of plot device to get Lindsay Lohan on the show. Maybe have her waltz into Tiffanny's while Paloma is showing her pallidot jewelry. Then LiLo could shoplift the necklace and viola, a free media advertising blitz. It's a win-win situation. Next thing you know 50-Cent will have a pallidot set in his front tooth. Phil Mickelson will give his wife a pallidot encrusted tiara for their anniversary. There will have to be movie tie-ins like Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend. Liz Taylor will wear the world's largest faceted pallidot pendant. Baguette cut engagement rings will become all the rage Phil Whitmer Hello List, Wow, what an outpouring of comments today. Let me bring all of you up to speed on this. Five years ago, I partnered with around 10 or so friends and they combined some money, and I offered up some time and we started hunting for meteorites together. We choose to go to a certain location in Kansas where pallasites had been found in the past. We chose this location after I had my success locating some pallasite meteorites at the Brenham strewnfield. We got land leases to hunt, without any promise of any big money, no talk of Millions, or thousands or even hundreds of dollars to anyone. We just started hunting and we started finding meteorites. Some of my friends, at least 8 of us in the group, were very connected meteorite dealers and we decided to try to sell some of our finds, we tried and we tried and we tried, and we sold one meteorite. We contacted virtually all the institutions with notable meteorite collections and none of them wanted to either buy or to trade for any of our specimens. The one sale was made, and the land owner from where this meteorite came from got his contracted percentage royalty, and he was VERY pleased. It was truly money from heaven for him. The meteorites from this particular location have the reputation of being the worst rusting meteorites known to man. Far worse than Campo, Nantan, Brenham or any other ruster one can think of. So we could understand why no one wanted to buy any more of this meteorite. It was just too big of a risk for people to take. As we kept finding more and more meteorites, we were challenged with the supply and demand issue. Much supply, virtually no demand. Not a good outlook. Then one of the dealers in the group reminded us of the high quality gemstones that had been faceted from the peridot in this meteorite. So we took the specimen in the worst condition out of our inventory and practiced trying to free up some of the olivine that was in it, and sure enough, there were some amazing gemstones produced. A year and a half ago, we went to all the land owners where we had found meteorites and told them that if we would liquidate all the meteorites we found, we probably would only get $0.10 or $0.15 per gram. But we felt that as gemstones, we could make more money for everyone. We decided to incorporate
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Tim, Did it start rusting after the process was finished and it was shipped back to you, or did it start rusting again while still under Pat's care? I'm just curious because I have not yet seen his process done on Admire and I'd be keen to see some photos of the finished piece. Maybe it's just my eye, but I think Admire and Brahin share some general similarities in aesthetic appearance - the shape and nature of the metal matrix mostly and not so much the olivines. Both of those pallasites are generally considered to be rusters, and I have two of Pat's Brahin pieces here right now and they are gorgeous and stable. So, stay hopeful about your Admire. If Pat can save a rusty Brahin, I bet he can save your Admire. :) I bet you did a little dance when you found that kilo-sized hunk of Admire! Congratulations on the find. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 2/23/11, Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello List, Pat is working on a 1.2 kilo piece of Admire I found last year, yes it started rusting. I will know the results soon, what I have seen so far, I think I will be stop the rusting. I will come back to the list with my findings. Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES http://www.meteorman.org 314-596-1435 Member IMCA-4781 International Meteorite Collectors Association - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in DealingwithLando wners OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most stable pallasites. Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites. No need to dissolve them in acid and try to sell the gemstones as jewelry. Doubt Pat's process? That's fine - hang on to your rusters until they fall apart. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 2/22/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: OK, fair enough. So anyway you get Paloma Picasso to design some matching sets of necklaces, bracelets, earrings, tiaras, rings with shooting star themes. Then have the writers think up some kind of plot device to get Lindsay Lohan on the show. Maybe have her waltz into Tiffanny's while Paloma is showing her pallidot jewelry. Then LiLo could shoplift the necklace and viola, a free media advertising blitz. It's a win-win situation. Next thing you know 50-Cent will have a pallidot set in his front tooth. Phil Mickelson will give his wife a pallidot encrusted tiara for their anniversary. There will have to be movie tie-ins like Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend. Liz Taylor will wear the world's largest faceted pallidot pendant. Baguette cut engagement rings will become all the rage Phil Whitmer Hello List, Wow, what an outpouring of comments today. Let me bring all of you up to speed on this. Five years ago, I partnered with around 10 or so friends and they combined some money, and I offered up some time and we started hunting for meteorites together. We choose to go to a certain location in Kansas where pallasites had been found in the past. We chose this location after I had my success locating some pallasite meteorites at the Brenham strewnfield. We got land leases to hunt, without any promise of any big money, no talk of Millions, or thousands or even hundreds of dollars to anyone. We just started hunting and we started finding meteorites. Some of my friends, at least 8 of us in the group, were very connected meteorite dealers and we decided to try to sell some of our finds, we tried and we tried and we tried,
[meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi MikeG and List, Mike, can you explain a little about what Pat does in the process to stabilize rusting meteorites. We have talked about the Reverse Electrolysis Process on this List in the past a couple times, is this part of Pat's method? Thank you in advance! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:06 AM To: JoshuaTreeMuseum Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in DealingwithLando wners OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most stable pallasites. Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites. No need to dissolve them in acid and try to sell the gemstones as jewelry. Doubt Pat's process? That's fine - hang on to your rusters until they fall apart. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List, Pat is a chemist by trade and I do not know all of the specifics regarding his process. But I have seen the results first-hand and I know of at least two other list members (both IMCA members and respected dealers - one of them a long time veteran) who have used Pat's process and have been delighted with the results. The large Campos on my website are priced higher than the market average because of their superior stability. A few potential buyers have balked at paying a higher premium, because of the reputation that Campos have for being rusters. But, I have also sold over a dozen of Pat's big irons to all four corners of the world - including some very humid climes. Every buyer is now a believer in Pat's process. As all of us know, rusting is major issue with many irons and pallasites. There are a number of methods floating around on the web for stabilizing sick meteorites. Some involve chemicals, some involve a vacuum chamber, some involve electrolysis, and others use a combination of those methods or something completely different. Whatever Pat is doing, it works amazingly well and he is on to something. He is keeping his exact methodology close to his chest and I don't really blame him for that - so I have never tried to pry his method out of him. But I can say this without reservation - I may not be the most popular guy on the List, but I'm no fool and I know when something works and when something does not. Contact Pat and give his method a try. His fee is very reasonable and he is a super guy to deal with. Once word finally gets out about him, he is going to have more work than he can handle. http://patmulvanymeteorites.embarqspace.com/ Best regards, MikeG On 2/22/11, Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi MikeG and List, Mike, can you explain a little about what Pat does in the process to stabilize rusting meteorites. We have talked about the Reverse Electrolysis Process on this List in the past a couple times, is this part of Pat's method? Thank you in advance! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:06 AM To: JoshuaTreeMuseum Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in DealingwithLando wners OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most stable pallasites. Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites. No need to dissolve them in acid and try to sell the gemstones as jewelry. Doubt Pat's process? That's fine - hang on to your rusters until they fall apart. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi MikeG,
Thanks for the info, will be contacting Pat sometime soon. While I would
never expect anyone to give up their secret processes, I had to ask since I
have used one of the processes in the past. This thread fits in perfectly
with the thread discussing the destruction of pallasites for gems, there
seems to be an alternative out there.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Michael Gilmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:52 AM
To: Greg Hupe
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
Pat is a chemist by trade and I do not know all of the specifics
regarding his process. But I have seen the results first-hand and I
know of at least two other list members (both IMCA members and
respected dealers - one of them a long time veteran) who have used
Pat's process and have been delighted with the results. The large
Campos on my website are priced higher than the market average because
of their superior stability. A few potential buyers have balked at
paying a higher premium, because of the reputation that Campos have
for being rusters. But, I have also sold over a dozen of Pat's big
irons to all four corners of the world - including some very humid
climes. Every buyer is now a believer in Pat's process.
As all of us know, rusting is major issue with many irons and
pallasites. There are a number of methods floating around on the web
for stabilizing sick meteorites. Some involve chemicals, some involve
a vacuum chamber, some involve electrolysis, and others use a
combination of those methods or something completely different.
Whatever Pat is doing, it works amazingly well and he is on to
something. He is keeping his exact methodology close to his chest
and I don't really blame him for that - so I have never tried to pry
his method out of him.
But I can say this without reservation - I may not be the most popular
guy on the List, but I'm no fool and I know when something works and
when something does not. Contact Pat and give his method a try. His
fee is very reasonable and he is a super guy to deal with. Once word
finally gets out about him, he is going to have more work than he can
handle.
http://patmulvanymeteorites.embarqspace.com/
Best regards,
MikeG
On 2/22/11, Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
Hi MikeG and List,
Mike, can you explain a little about what Pat does in the process to
stabilize rusting meteorites. We have talked about the Reverse
Electrolysis
Process on this List in the past a couple times, is this part of Pat's
method?
Thank you in advance!
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Michael Gilmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:06 AM
To: JoshuaTreeMuseum
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in
DealingwithLando wners
OR, put the Admire masses through the Pat Mulvany process, which will
render them completely stable on par with Esquel or the world's most
stable pallasites.
Admire is a pretty meteorite, and once the rusting issue is taken care
of, it can stand on it's own against other pallasites.
No need to dissolve them in acid and try to sell the gemstones as jewelry.
Doubt Pat's process? That's fine - hang on to your rusters until they
fall apart.
Best regards,
MikeG
--
Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
---
--
--
Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
You won't regret contacting Pat. I'm not saying that Pat is some kind
of magician, but his results are almost magical.
For example, I will give an example from a fellow List-member's
experience. This person can chime in if they want, but I won't
mention the name because this person has no idea I was going to offer
up a testimonial on their behalf.
Having said that, this person bought one of Pat's Campos that is about
the size of grapefruit. This Campo now resides in one of the wettest
climates in the Western hemisphere. In addition to the wet location,
this Campo is used in outreach/educational work and it comes into
contact with dozens of sweaty little kid hands on a regular basis.
After over a year of this exposure, the specimen still shows no sign
of rusting.
Another specimen went to a prominent amateur astronomer (not a list
member) who uses the Campo in outreach work also - again, this
specimen comes into contact with sweaty little hands and is kept out
in the open without any special precautions to prevent rust. And this
specimen also shows no signs of rusting after several months of this
kind of abuse.
Pat's process also works on pallasites and I have sold a few of these
specimens to buyers in various locales - and all of them are pleased
with the stability of their pieces.
In the interest of full disclosure, I should state that I do get a
kickback from Pat for the business I refer to him. But, I am
blatantly honest about meteorites (to the point of pissing off a lot
of people) and I would wholeheatedly endorse his process even if I was
not receiving a kickback. I love meteorites and I want all meteorites
to be preserved and cherished for generations to come. I think it is
a noble endeavor to save these hopeless rusters from oblivion and it
is my wish that Pat's process should see widespread use to save
specimens like Admire from a horrible fate. I'd much rather see an
Admire mass saved through Pat's process, than to see it dissolved in
acid and rendered down into a pile of olivines.
I think most people would agree, that on an aesthetic basis, Admire is
a beautiful pallasite. If it's propensity to rust is removed from the
equation, then Admire could hold it's own against any other pallasite
on the market. The same could be said for Brenham also.
I'd love for the skeptics to try Pat's process and try to make a liar
out of me. I truly believe, in due time, Pat is going to become
well-known and respected for his work. As of right now, he is not
widely known and he is much more available for work. Once word gets
out about the effectiveness of his process, I fully expect there will
be a long waiting-list for his services.
Imagine a world full of stable Nantans, Campos, Droninos, Admires, and
Brenhams! That would be a great thing and I hope more people will try
Pat's process and see for themselves.
Best regards,
MikeG
--
Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
---
On 2/22/11, Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
Hi MikeG,
Thanks for the info, will be contacting Pat sometime soon. While I would
never expect anyone to give up their secret processes, I had to ask since I
have used one of the processes in the past. This thread fits in perfectly
with the thread discussing the destruction of pallasites for gems, there
seems to be an alternative out there.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Michael Gilmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:52 AM
To: Greg Hupe
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
Pat is a chemist by trade and I do not know all of the specifics
regarding his process. But I have seen the results first-hand and I
know of at least two other list members (both IMCA members and
respected dealers - one of them a long time veteran) who have used
Pat's process and have been delighted with the results. The large
Campos on my website are priced higher than the market average because
of their superior stability. A few potential buyers have balked at
paying a higher premium, because of the reputation that Campos have
for being rusters. But, I have also sold over a dozen of Pat's big
irons to all four corners of the world - including some very humid
climes. Every buyer is now a believer in Pat's process.
As all of us know, rusting is major issue with
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Sounds to me like the solution is to let little kids handle your rusters with
their sweaty little hands!
Anita
From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
To: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 11:12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
You won't regret contacting Pat. I'm not saying that Pat is some kind
of magician, but his results are almost magical.
For example, I will give an example from a fellow List-member's
experience. This person can chime in if they want, but I won't
mention the name because this person has no idea I was going to offer
up a testimonial on their behalf.
Having said that, this person bought one of Pat's Campos that is about
the size of grapefruit. This Campo now resides in one of the wettest
climates in the Western hemisphere. In addition to the wet location,
this Campo is used in outreach/educational work and it comes into
contact with dozens of sweaty little kid hands on a regular basis.
After over a year of this exposure, the specimen still shows no sign
of rusting.
Another specimen went to a prominent amateur astronomer (not a list
member) who uses the Campo in outreach work also - again, this
specimen comes into contact with sweaty little hands and is kept out
in the open without any special precautions to prevent rust. And this
specimen also shows no signs of rusting after several months of this
kind of abuse.
Pat's process also works on pallasites and I have sold a few of these
specimens to buyers in various locales - and all of them are pleased
with the stability of their pieces.
In the interest of full disclosure, I should state that I do get a
kickback from Pat for the business I refer to him. But, I am
blatantly honest about meteorites (to the point of pissing off a lot
of people) and I would wholeheatedly endorse his process even if I was
not receiving a kickback. I love meteorites and I want all meteorites
to be preserved and cherished for generations to come. I think it is
a noble endeavor to save these hopeless rusters from oblivion and it
is my wish that Pat's process should see widespread use to save
specimens like Admire from a horrible fate. I'd much rather see an
Admire mass saved through Pat's process, than to see it dissolved in
acid and rendered down into a pile of olivines.
I think most people would agree, that on an aesthetic basis, Admire is
a beautiful pallasite. If it's propensity to rust is removed from the
equation, then Admire could hold it's own against any other pallasite
on the market. The same could be said for Brenham also.
I'd love for the skeptics to try Pat's process and try to make a liar
out of me. I truly believe, in due time, Pat is going to become
well-known and respected for his work. As of right now, he is not
widely known and he is much more available for work. Once word gets
out about the effectiveness of his process, I fully expect there will
be a long waiting-list for his services.
Imagine a world full of stable Nantans, Campos, Droninos, Admires, and
Brenhams! That would be a great thing and I hope more people will try
Pat's process and see for themselves.
Best regards,
MikeG
--
Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites
Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com
EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564
---
On 2/22/11, Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
Hi MikeG,
Thanks for the info, will be contacting Pat sometime soon. While I would
never expect anyone to give up their secret processes, I had to ask since I
have used one of the processes in the past. This thread fits in perfectly
with the thread discussing the destruction of pallasites for gems, there
seems to be an alternative out there.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Michael Gilmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:52 AM
To: Greg Hupe
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
Pat is a chemist by trade and I do not know all of the specifics
regarding his process. But I have seen the results first-hand and I
know of at least two other list members (both IMCA members and
respected dealers - one of them a long time veteran) who have used
Pat's process and have been delighted with the results. The large
Campos on my website are priced higher than the market average
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
LOL! There must be something in kid sweat that retards rust! :)
On 2/22/11, Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net wrote:
Sounds to me like the solution is to let little kids handle your rusters
with
their sweaty little hands!
Anita
From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
To: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 11:12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
You won't regret contacting Pat. I'm not saying that Pat is some kind
of magician, but his results are almost magical.
For example, I will give an example from a fellow List-member's
experience. This person can chime in if they want, but I won't
mention the name because this person has no idea I was going to offer
up a testimonial on their behalf.
Having said that, this person bought one of Pat's Campos that is about
the size of grapefruit. This Campo now resides in one of the wettest
climates in the Western hemisphere. In addition to the wet location,
this Campo is used in outreach/educational work and it comes into
contact with dozens of sweaty little kid hands on a regular basis.
After over a year of this exposure, the specimen still shows no sign
of rusting.
Another specimen went to a prominent amateur astronomer (not a list
member) who uses the Campo in outreach work also - again, this
specimen comes into contact with sweaty little hands and is kept out
in the open without any special precautions to prevent rust. And this
specimen also shows no signs of rusting after several months of this
kind of abuse.
Pat's process also works on pallasites and I have sold a few of these
specimens to buyers in various locales - and all of them are pleased
with the stability of their pieces.
In the interest of full disclosure, I should state that I do get a
kickback from Pat for the business I refer to him. But, I am
blatantly honest about meteorites (to the point of pissing off a lot
of people) and I would wholeheatedly endorse his process even if I was
not receiving a kickback. I love meteorites and I want all meteorites
to be preserved and cherished for generations to come. I think it is
a noble endeavor to save these hopeless rusters from oblivion and it
is my wish that Pat's process should see widespread use to save
specimens like Admire from a horrible fate. I'd much rather see an
Admire mass saved through Pat's process, than to see it dissolved in
acid and rendered down into a pile of olivines.
I think most people would agree, that on an aesthetic basis, Admire is
a beautiful pallasite. If it's propensity to rust is removed from the
equation, then Admire could hold it's own against any other pallasite
on the market. The same could be said for Brenham also.
I'd love for the skeptics to try Pat's process and try to make a liar
out of me. I truly believe, in due time, Pat is going to become
well-known and respected for his work. As of right now, he is not
widely known and he is much more available for work. Once word gets
out about the effectiveness of his process, I fully expect there will
be a long waiting-list for his services.
Imagine a world full of stable Nantans, Campos, Droninos, Admires, and
Brenhams! That would be a great thing and I hope more people will try
Pat's process and see for themselves.
Best regards,
MikeG
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On 2/22/11, Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net wrote:
Hi MikeG,
Thanks for the info, will be contacting Pat sometime soon. While I would
never expect anyone to give up their secret processes, I had to ask since
I
have used one of the processes in the past. This thread fits in perfectly
with the thread discussing the destruction of pallasites for gems, there
seems to be an alternative out there.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Michael Gilmer
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:52 AM
To: Greg Hupe
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Greg and List,
Pat is a chemist by trade and I do not know all of the specifics
regarding his process. But I have seen the results first-hand and I
know of at least two other list members (both IMCA members
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
30 years ago, I developed a simple process for treating these rusters using
white sodium hydroxide crystals (Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most
groceries), 70% rubbing alcohol and distilled water.
With it I have treated effectively meteorites up to 150 lbs.
I have sitting in my corner a 150 lb Campo that was rusting so badly that I
could hear the flakes popping off and falling to the floor.
Pounds of rust flakes fell off of it.
So, to solve this problem I rolled and muscled the 150 lbs ruster into the
plastic shipping container and righted it up.
And I used my solution tried and tested with many variations over the last 30
years.
1lb Red Devil Lye (white crystals)
Two gallons of store bought rubbing alcohol. (Usually in plastic bottles of
quart size for less than $2 ea)
Two gallons of distilled water.
And a medium sized plastic shipping container with lid.
Mix half a pound of Red Devil Lye in 2 gal of water. Do it in small amounts as
the reaction is exothermic and the water will get hot.
When done, mix this into the two gal of rubbing alcohol.
You will have the remaining half pound of lye crystals to add if you decide to
repeat the process a second time, or you can add increments more till you see
that brine begins to form what look like bubbles at the bottom of the plastic
container.
Then I poured the solution into the plastic shipping container holding the 150
lb Campo, and covered it with the plastic lid.
And...
I let it sit for a year. Yes, that is right, a year for big specimens.
Over that time I monitored it to see the progress. Numerous green blobs
appeared over the meteorite. I could see streamers of rust coming off of it.
And the solution at the bottom of the plastic container took on a rusty hue.
And so I let the process work for a year.
Result...
Used a plastic hand pump to remove the tainted solution. The chlorides that
caused the meteorite to rust now converted to NaCl (salt) in solution, taken
out.
I then replaced it with two gallons of distilled water to further remove the
salty water and residual NaOH. Let is soak for a couple of weeks. Repeated
the process for another couple of weeks.
And finally rolled the 150 lb Campo out to dry and for the last 7 years it has
sat in my corner, no longer popping of rust flakes.
It is cured, and actually looks like it was freshly dug up and cleaned of dirt.
Now I recently tried another ruster: Morasko.
I have 690 gm complete specimen that started to rust. Placed it in a a small
batch of my solution and let it sit for several months. It was cured. But in
this case I did something else with it. I put a piece of zinc off to the side
of it. This actually caused an electrolytic reaction where the Chlorine ions
were attracted to the zinc and the zinc in turn became a deposit on the
meteorite giving it a rather un-natural appearance. So to correct this, I then
soaked the Morasko in white vinegar for a week, and the result was a natural
looking piece.
And non rusting.
So I have used this on not only these rusters and some pallastes, but even a
mesosiderite, the notorious ruster, Lamont, KS, one that I discovered in 1996.
I have used it on iron slices, too.
Depending on the size of the specimen the soak time varies. Small thin pieces
a couple of weeks. Really big ones such as the 150 lb Campo a year or more.
In all of these cases it worked.
The tech is free to all.
Try it, you have nothing to lose with a meteorite that rusting away anyway.
Steve Schoner
www.petroslides.com
IMCA 4470
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:12:27 -0500
From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The
trials...}
To: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID:
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Hi Greg and List,
You won't regret contacting Pat. I'm not saying that Pat is some kind
of magician, but his results are almost magical.
For example, I will give an example from a fellow List-member's
experience. This person can chime in if they want, but I won't
mention the name because this person has no idea I was going to offer
up a testimonial on their behalf.
Having said that, this person bought one of Pat's Campos that is about
the size of grapefruit. This Campo now resides in one of the wettest
climates in the Western hemisphere. In addition to the wet location,
this Campo is used in outreach/educational work and it comes into
contact with dozens of sweaty little kid hands on a regular basis.
After over a year of this exposure, the specimen still shows no sign
of rusting.
Another specimen went to a prominent amateur astronomer (not a list
member) who uses the Campo in outreach work also - again, this
specimen comes into contact with sweaty little hands and is kept out
in the open without any
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the process you use. When I first moved to Florida I met with
some of the old time treasure hunters who shared their methods of conserving
ship wreck items (iron cannons, cannon balls, muskets, etc.) using the
Reverse Electrolysis method using Red Devil Lye or Soda Ash as the
electrolyte. They used electric current in their process, but it is nice to
know electricity is not necessary. I did some items for two years,
babysitting the process, replacing electrodes and solution every few months
(a very messy job). I think I will try your process as well.
After you have run your process on some of the irons or pallasites, have you
sliced them afterwards? Just curious if the process of soaking them somehow
stains or discolors them in any way.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Steve Schoner
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:37 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
30 years ago, I developed a simple process for treating these rusters using
white sodium hydroxide crystals (Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most
groceries), 70% rubbing alcohol and distilled water.
With it I have treated effectively meteorites up to 150 lbs.
I have sitting in my corner a 150 lb Campo that was rusting so badly that I
could hear the flakes popping off and falling to the floor.
Pounds of rust flakes fell off of it.
So, to solve this problem I rolled and muscled the 150 lbs ruster into the
plastic shipping container and righted it up.
And I used my solution tried and tested with many variations over the last
30 years.
1lb Red Devil Lye (white crystals)
Two gallons of store bought rubbing alcohol. (Usually in plastic bottles of
quart size for less than $2 ea)
Two gallons of distilled water.
And a medium sized plastic shipping container with lid.
Mix half a pound of Red Devil Lye in 2 gal of water. Do it in small amounts
as the reaction is exothermic and the water will get hot.
When done, mix this into the two gal of rubbing alcohol.
You will have the remaining half pound of lye crystals to add if you decide
to repeat the process a second time, or you can add increments more till you
see that brine begins to form what look like bubbles at the bottom of the
plastic container.
Then I poured the solution into the plastic shipping container holding the
150 lb Campo, and covered it with the plastic lid.
And...
I let it sit for a year. Yes, that is right, a year for big specimens.
Over that time I monitored it to see the progress. Numerous green blobs
appeared over the meteorite. I could see streamers of rust coming off of
it. And the solution at the bottom of the plastic container took on a rusty
hue. And so I let the process work for a year.
Result...
Used a plastic hand pump to remove the tainted solution. The chlorides that
caused the meteorite to rust now converted to NaCl (salt) in solution, taken
out.
I then replaced it with two gallons of distilled water to further remove the
salty water and residual NaOH. Let is soak for a couple of weeks. Repeated
the process for another couple of weeks.
And finally rolled the 150 lb Campo out to dry and for the last 7 years it
has sat in my corner, no longer popping of rust flakes.
It is cured, and actually looks like it was freshly dug up and cleaned of
dirt.
Now I recently tried another ruster: Morasko.
I have 690 gm complete specimen that started to rust. Placed it in a a
small batch of my solution and let it sit for several months. It was cured.
But in this case I did something else with it. I put a piece of zinc off to
the side of it. This actually caused an electrolytic reaction where the
Chlorine ions were attracted to the zinc and the zinc in turn became a
deposit on the meteorite giving it a rather un-natural appearance. So to
correct this, I then soaked the Morasko in white vinegar for a week, and the
result was a natural looking piece.
And non rusting.
So I have used this on not only these rusters and some pallastes, but even a
mesosiderite, the notorious ruster, Lamont, KS, one that I discovered in
1996.
I have used it on iron slices, too.
Depending on the size of the specimen the soak time varies. Small thin
pieces a couple of weeks. Really big ones such as the 150 lb Campo a year
or more.
In all of these cases it worked.
The tech is free to all.
Try it, you have nothing to lose with a meteorite that rusting away anyway.
Steve Schoner
www.petroslides.com
IMCA 4470
Message: 2
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:12:27 -0500
From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The
trials...}
To: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Greg,
Actually just using the solution will not discolor the specimen. With that
Campo it was wire brushed and some type of wax placed on it to make it look
attractive.
When the rusting began, it was real bad, blebs of FeCl3 coming out in numerous
places.
The treatment worked and the result was a natural looking piece. (I can't stand
wire brushed irons).
What is interesting is that this Campo has some silicate inclusions and these
still retain fusion crust. So the year soak did not remove that aspect of the
the specimen.
The addition of zinc causes an electrolytic reaction as I found with the
Morosko. It was very aggressive, and the solution soon became a rusty soup
bubbling away as the zinc was being reduced.
Adding aluminum is even more aggressive. In essence you are creating a battery
where the electrons migrate from one type of metal to another.
You want the chlorine ions to migrate away from the iron to another different
metal such as zinc.
The downside is that zinc and or aluminum compounds will then be deposited on
the meteorite.
But these can be removed using white vinegar.
The way that sea salted iron artifacts are preserved use sodium hydroxide as an
electrolyte, another grid of metal separated from that and not touching the
side of the container and the artifact is the cathode and the grid the anode.
A micro current is applied and this forces the Chlorine ions from the artifact
to migrate toward the grid. In the process of travel they then interact with
the NaOH electrolyte and become salt NaCl The liberated OH then moves over to
the artifact and becomes a jelly like mass of Fe0H2-3. When the process is
finished, depending on the size of the artifact of meteorite, when it dries out
the FeOH2-3 becomes FeO2-3 as the hydrogen leaves the weak bond to iron to bond
to atmospheric oxygen, or just float up and beyond to outer space.
Rather than deal with doing an electrolytic process adding a micro volt source,
a plastic container the meteorite, the solution just by itself seems to work
for most. If you have to add a piece of zinc set it of to the side, of the
plastic bowl so that it becomes part of the static battery.
As for slicing, it will go as deep as the the larger cracks, but not so much
the very fine hairline ones. So if you cut a treated specimen it is best to
then treat the slices.
I have found some amazing results with irons, using just the solution with no
addition of metal.
I polish and etch the iron slice, and then soak in the solution. It is amazing
what happens. First, blebs of jelly FeOH2-3 appear if chlorine is still
evident in the piece. But what this caustic soda does to the iron minerals
that don't etch, is astounding. They turn colors. Gold, iridescent blue, like
a rainbow.
With a metallurgic microscope, what previously was just a shiny surface with no
detail is now a beautiful etched iridescent beauty.
And better yet, I have found that it it is best to not coat the iron. Just
leave it. And handle it by the edges, like you would a fine coin.
Unless you touch it with finger prints it will stay beautiful.
Steve.
-- Original Message --
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com,
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:52:33 -0500
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the process you use. When I first moved to Florida I met with
some of the old time treasure hunters who shared their methods of conserving
ship wreck items (iron cannons, cannon balls, muskets, etc.) using the
Reverse Electrolysis method using Red Devil Lye or Soda Ash as the
electrolyte. They used electric current in their process, but it is nice to
know electricity is not necessary. I did some items for two years,
babysitting the process, replacing electrodes and solution every few months
(a very messy job). I think I will try your process as well.
After you have run your process on some of the irons or pallasites, have you
sliced them afterwards? Just curious if the process of soaking them somehow
stains or discolors them in any way.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Steve Schoner
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:37 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
30 years ago, I developed a simple process for treating these rusters using
white sodium hydroxide crystals (Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most
groceries), 70% rubbing alcohol and distilled water.
With it I have treated effectively meteorites up to 150 lbs.
I have sitting in my corner a 150 lb Campo that was rusting so badly that I
could hear the flakes popping off and falling to the floor.
Pounds of rust
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Thanks Steve!
I really appreciate your information, we can all learn to preserve
meteorites from yours and other's experience!!
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Steve Schoner
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:27 PM
To: gmh...@centurylink.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Greg,
Actually just using the solution will not discolor the specimen. With that
Campo it was wire brushed and some type of wax placed on it to make it look
attractive.
When the rusting began, it was real bad, blebs of FeCl3 coming out in
numerous places.
The treatment worked and the result was a natural looking piece. (I can't
stand wire brushed irons).
What is interesting is that this Campo has some silicate inclusions and
these still retain fusion crust. So the year soak did not remove that
aspect of the the specimen.
The addition of zinc causes an electrolytic reaction as I found with the
Morosko. It was very aggressive, and the solution soon became a rusty soup
bubbling away as the zinc was being reduced.
Adding aluminum is even more aggressive. In essence you are creating a
battery where the electrons migrate from one type of metal to another.
You want the chlorine ions to migrate away from the iron to another
different metal such as zinc.
The downside is that zinc and or aluminum compounds will then be deposited
on the meteorite.
But these can be removed using white vinegar.
The way that sea salted iron artifacts are preserved use sodium hydroxide as
an electrolyte, another grid of metal separated from that and not touching
the side of the container and the artifact is the cathode and the grid the
anode. A micro current is applied and this forces the Chlorine ions from
the artifact to migrate toward the grid. In the process of travel they then
interact with the NaOH electrolyte and become salt NaCl The liberated OH
then moves over to the artifact and becomes a jelly like mass of Fe0H2-3.
When the process is finished, depending on the size of the artifact of
meteorite, when it dries out the FeOH2-3 becomes FeO2-3 as the hydrogen
leaves the weak bond to iron to bond to atmospheric oxygen, or just float up
and beyond to outer space.
Rather than deal with doing an electrolytic process adding a micro volt
source, a plastic container the meteorite, the solution just by itself seems
to work for most. If you have to add a piece of zinc set it of to the side,
of the plastic bowl so that it becomes part of the static battery.
As for slicing, it will go as deep as the the larger cracks, but not so much
the very fine hairline ones. So if you cut a treated specimen it is best to
then treat the slices.
I have found some amazing results with irons, using just the solution with
no addition of metal.
I polish and etch the iron slice, and then soak in the solution. It is
amazing what happens. First, blebs of jelly FeOH2-3 appear if chlorine is
still evident in the piece. But what this caustic soda does to the iron
minerals that don't etch, is astounding. They turn colors. Gold, iridescent
blue, like a rainbow.
With a metallurgic microscope, what previously was just a shiny surface with
no detail is now a beautiful etched iridescent beauty.
And better yet, I have found that it it is best to not coat the iron. Just
leave it. And handle it by the edges, like you would a fine coin.
Unless you touch it with finger prints it will stay beautiful.
Steve.
-- Original Message --
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net
To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com,
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:52:33 -0500
Hi Steve,
Thank you for the process you use. When I first moved to Florida I met with
some of the old time treasure hunters who shared their methods of conserving
ship wreck items (iron cannons, cannon balls, muskets, etc.) using the
Reverse Electrolysis method using Red Devil Lye or Soda Ash as the
electrolyte. They used electric current in their process, but it is nice to
know electricity is not necessary. I did some items for two years,
babysitting the process, replacing electrodes and solution every few months
(a very messy job). I think I will try your process as well.
After you have run your process on some of the irons or pallasites, have you
sliced them afterwards? Just curious if the process of soaking them somehow
stains or discolors them in any way.
Best Regards,
Greg
Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163
-Original Message-
From: Steve Schoner
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:37 PM
To: meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Steve Schoner: (Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most groceries) I'm seeing this online: Red Devil Lye, also known as Lewis Red Devil Lye Drain Opener, was the trade name for a drain cleaner product sold by the manufacturer Reckitt-Benckiser. The product has been pulled from the market and is no longer available. Does anyone know of a similar product with the same active ingredients.ideally something available at Lowe's or Home Depot maybe?! DG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Don and list, Visit you local hardware store and ask for drain opener. When they take you to that section look them over and find one that is pure sodium hydroxide crystals, no additives/color/detergents/scents/etc.. That is what you want to purchase. Sorry I cannot help you with any name brands, but there are still several retailers of pure sodium hydroxide. As a warning, you'll want to wear gloves, eye protection, and clothes you don't mind ruining whenever you handle sodium hydroxide. Keep it off your skin, and always add it to the water, not the other way around (help avoid spilling/splashing). It's also a good idea to keep an acid around (i.e. lemon juice) to quickly neutralize any spills. ~Michael Mulgrew On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com wrote: Steve Schoner: (Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most groceries) I'm seeing this online: Red Devil Lye, also known as Lewis Red Devil Lye Drain Opener, was the trade name for a drain cleaner product sold by the manufacturer Reckitt-Benckiser. The product has been pulled from the market and is no longer available. Does anyone know of a similar product with the same active ingredients.ideally something available at Lowe's or Home Depot maybe?! DG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
a google search for lye will give you several sources/companies who provide
it for people who make their own soap. take care
susan
- Original Message -
From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
To: Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com
Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The trials...}
Don and list,
Visit you local hardware store and ask for drain opener. When they
take you to that section look them over and find one that is pure
sodium hydroxide crystals, no additives/color/detergents/scents/etc..
That is what you want to purchase. Sorry I cannot help you with any
name brands, but there are still several retailers of pure sodium
hydroxide.
As a warning, you'll want to wear gloves, eye protection, and clothes
you don't mind ruining whenever you handle sodium hydroxide. Keep it
off your skin, and always add it to the water, not the other way
around (help avoid spilling/splashing). It's also a good idea to keep
an acid around (i.e. lemon juice) to quickly neutralize any spills.
~Michael Mulgrew
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Don Giovanni grig...@operamail.com wrote:
Steve Schoner:
(Red Devil Lye which can be bought at most groceries)
I'm seeing this online:
Red Devil Lye, also known as Lewis Red Devil Lye Drain Opener, was the
trade name for a drain cleaner product sold by the manufacturer
Reckitt-Benckiser. The product has been pulled from the market and is no
longer available.
Does anyone know of a similar product with the same active
ingredients.ideally something available at Lowe's or Home Depot
maybe?!
DG
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Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The
Don and Steve, You may have already found this or gotten an answer to your question. I Googled, (always the best way to find anything) Red Devil Lye, and it gives several websites to buy similar products. Try these, 50 LBs of lye-Sodium Hydroxide for $65.00 USD, or 2 LBs $5.95. http://www.dudadiesel.com/search.php?query=%2Bsodium+%2Bhydroxideaffiliate_pro_tracking_id=17:23: Hope you get your solution made up. All the best! Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The
Just keep in mind that sodium hydroxide is a key ingredient in making
methamphetamine. That's why Red Devil lye is no longer available. A lot of
what is now sold as lye actually contains deliberate contaminants, and if
you try buying pure lye you might attract law enforcement notice, especially
if you buy pounds of it.
It is perfectly legal to buy and possess, of course. But you might find a
few extra patrols driving past your house! g
Chris
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pat's Stabilizing Process {was: The
Don and Steve,
You may have already found this or gotten an answer to your question.
I Googled, (always the best way to find anything) Red Devil Lye, and it
gives several websites to buy similar products. Try these, 50 LBs of
lye-Sodium Hydroxide for $65.00 USD, or 2 LBs $5.95.
http://www.dudadiesel.com/search.php?query=%2Bsodium+%2Bhydroxideaffiliate_pro_tracking_id=17:23:
Hope you get your solution made up.
All the best!
Brian
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