[meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks.
All and no one in particular, I have been in touch with Bernd and was very sad to learn that he left the list because of the verbal abuse that continues to fly. People are using the list to attack others and it is disgraceful. I wonder how many other people have dropped out because of this behaviour? How many newbies have been turned off of meteorites after seeing the crap posted? I have been lucky enough to have met Bernd and visited with him in Germany this past summer. Bernd and Pauline openned their home to me and we had a great time discussing meteroties and astronomy and art and so much more. I have also been invited back and plan to visit summer 05. It is because of this list that I got to know Bernd. Now he has left and many people will not get the benefit of insightfull comments, extensive data base, and enthusiasm. I deeply enjoy meteorites and find that the list helps me keep in touch with other enthusiasts and in touch with what is going on in the field. Unfortunately, not as much as it used to. If you have something to say to another person then do so privately. If you attack someone opennly then you are simply trying to use the list to advance your own agenda and to gang up on that person. Many have argued that they started it and since they were opennly attacked then they should ahve the right to reciprocate. Perhaps that is true but all it does is continue the downward spiral. It is a bigger person who decides to respond in private and not use the list to support their own position. If personal attacks (REGARDLESS OF HOW JUSTIFIED THEY ARE) were sent privately and kept off the list then people like Bernd would still be here. Perhaps this list can return to what it was. A fantastic forum created by Art to advance the science of meteorites and link enthusiasts around the world. Maybe we could even get bernd back. Sorry to have sermonized but I am just fed up. Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks.
Mike and others, I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times. From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make. If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the list also...without a problem. My apologies to all...including Matteo, John All and no one in particular, I have been in touch with Bernd and was very sad to learn that he left the list because of the verbal abuse that continues to fly. People are using the list to attack others and it is disgraceful. I wonder how many other people have dropped out because of this behaviour? How many newbies have been turned off of meteorites after seeing the crap posted? I have been lucky enough to have met Bernd and visited with him in Germany this past summer. Bernd and Pauline openned their home to me and we had a great time discussing meteroties and astronomy and art and so much more. I have also been invited back and plan to visit summer 05. It is because of this list that I got to know Bernd. Now he has left and many people will not get the benefit of insightfull comments, extensive data base, and enthusiasm. I deeply enjoy meteorites and find that the list helps me keep in touch with other enthusiasts and in touch with what is going on in the field. Unfortunately, not as much as it used to. If you have something to say to another person then do so privately. If you attack someone opennly then you are simply trying to use the list to advance your own agenda and to gang up on that person. Many have argued that they started it and since they were opennly attacked then they should ahve the right to reciprocate. Perhaps that is true but all it does is continue the downward spiral. It is a bigger person who decides to respond in private and not use the list to support their own position. If personal attacks (REGARDLESS OF HOW JUSTIFIED THEY ARE) were sent privately and kept off the list then people like Bernd would still be here. Perhaps this list can return to what it was. A fantastic forum created by Art to advance the science of meteorites and link enthusiasts around the world. Maybe we could even get bernd back. Sorry to have sermonized but I am just fed up. Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks.
Hello Mike, I think many of us share your thoughts. Bernd was a great asset to the list, the information and research background he provided on newspapers I posted, or topics brought up by others was always of interest. Last I heard from him, if I remember right, he was getting busy with school and I wish him well. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
Re: [meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks.
John, Mark, Mike all, The best and most effective thing to do when someone on the list is out of line is to NOT RESPOND to them - at least, not on the list. The more unhealthy a person is, the more they feed off of public acknowledgement, no matter how negative. This is MUCH easier said than done, especially when they slam you, personally, on the list. I know, I have gotten caught up, myself, on more that one occasion. One can always direct comments to them directly - off the list, however, without feeding this ironic hunger AND without driving off our most cherished members. Personally, when I am functioning at other than my lower levels, I find ignoring them altogether the most satisfactory course of non-action - at least for myself. Wishing us all restraint and higher levels of functioning - Michael on 1/20/04 6:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike and others, I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times. From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make. If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the list also...without a problem. My apologies to all...including Matteo, John All and no one in particular, I have been in touch with Bernd and was very sad to learn that he left the list because of the verbal abuse that continues to fly. People are using the list to attack others and it is disgraceful. I wonder how many other people have dropped out because of this behaviour? How many newbies have been turned off of meteorites after seeing the crap posted? I have been lucky enough to have met Bernd and visited with him in Germany this past summer. Bernd and Pauline openned their home to me and we had a great time discussing meteroties and astronomy and art and so much more. I have also been invited back and plan to visit summer 05. It is because of this list that I got to know Bernd. Now he has left and many people will not get the benefit of insightfull comments, extensive data base, and enthusiasm. I deeply enjoy meteorites and find that the list helps me keep in touch with other enthusiasts and in touch with what is going on in the field. Unfortunately, not as much as it used to. If you have something to say to another person then do so privately. If you attack someone opennly then you are simply trying to use the list to advance your own agenda and to gang up on that person. Many have argued that they started it and since they were opennly attacked then they should ahve the right to reciprocate. Perhaps that is true but all it does is continue the downward spiral. It is a bigger person who decides to respond in private and not use the list to support their own position. If personal attacks (REGARDLESS OF HOW JUSTIFIED THEY ARE) were sent privately and kept off the list then people like Bernd would still be here. Perhaps this list can return to what it was. A fantastic forum created by Art to advance the science of meteorites and link enthusiasts around the world. Maybe we could even get bernd back. Sorry to have sermonized but I am just fed up. Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike and others, I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times. From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make. If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the list also...without a problem. My apologies to all...including Matteo, I agree whole-heartedly John. I miss Bernd too, as he was the DataHound/Librarian of our list and he is/will be sorely missed. It's a shame it came to this to make him leave. However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me! Lido de Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi all, there's a good alternative http://www.worldofmeteorites.com/index.php a place without any hate tirades and diffamations. check it out. best wishes, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tett Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] People have left the list because of personal attacks. All and no one in particular, I have been in touch with Bernd and was very sad to learn that he left the list because of the verbal abuse that continues to fly. People are using the list to attack others and it is disgraceful. I wonder how many other people have dropped out because of this behaviour? How many newbies have been turned off of meteorites after seeing the crap posted? I have been lucky enough to have met Bernd and visited with him in Germany this past summer. Bernd and Pauline openned their home to me and we had a great time discussing meteroties and astronomy and art and so much more. I have also been invited back and plan to visit summer 05. It is because of this list that I got to know Bernd. Now he has left and many people will not get the benefit of insightfull comments, extensive data base, and enthusiasm. I deeply enjoy meteorites and find that the list helps me keep in touch with other enthusiasts and in touch with what is going on in the field. Unfortunately, not as much as it used to. If you have something to say to another person then do so privately. If you attack someone opennly then you are simply trying to use the list to advance your own agenda and to gang up on that person. Many have argued that they started it and since they were opennly attacked then they should ahve the right to reciprocate. Perhaps that is true but all it does is continue the downward spiral. It is a bigger person who decides to respond in private and not use the list to support their own position. If personal attacks (REGARDLESS OF HOW JUSTIFIED THEY ARE) were sent privately and kept off the list then people like Bernd would still be here. Perhaps this list can return to what it was. A fantastic forum created by Art to advance the science of meteorites and link enthusiasts around the world. Maybe we could even get bernd back. Sorry to have sermonized but I am just fed up. Mike Tettenborn Owen Sound, Ontario __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
