Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
The painting on the wall appears to be hung up side down as well. This whole thing seems odd. Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > > This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason > that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet > the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists > would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any > history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It > seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and > UofA as sources of information. > > Sonny > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jason Utas > To: Anne Black > Cc: Meteorite-list > Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite > > > Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel > is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came > from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of > some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the > fragments. The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be > from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is > a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after > seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot > together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I > began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of > glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other > ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular > shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one > handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that > thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable > fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided > description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep > 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black wrote:> Hello > Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he > should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an > archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect > place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black> > www.IMPACTIKA.com> impact...@aol.com>>>> -Original Message-> > From: Roman Jirasek > To: meteorite-list > > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an > archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I > could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this> > year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow > colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below, > or click on link to see his> photos...> > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek> > www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows>> I am an > Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property > in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and > was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, > 220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not > know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the> > meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in > high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only > battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was > with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle > for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the > Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from > the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you > tell me? Of any> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know > that was the earliest> date, since the meteorites was buried with the > hoplite soldier. We assume> the meteorite obviously fell before that > date.>> This would help us, with dating the find.>> Additionally what > would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The> meteorite?>> > Thank you>> Douglas Roth.> Phoenix, Arizona.> Sparta archaeology.>> > Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics.>> I don't have any dir > links, but can be found, on face book
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Never mind the meteorite inside, a Spartan funerary urn sounds pretty unusual... The one exception among the Greek cities was Sparta. Plutarch (c. 46-120) tells us that this militaristic culture had no issues with burying their dead in the city among the living. Excavations confirm Plutarch¹s statement, as archeologists have discovered the graves of citizens next to the wall of a house in at least one Spartan village (600 BC). The Spartans treated most of their dead the same by wrapping them in a red robe with olive leaves and burying them without any sort of artifacts or headstones. The lack of markers has made it difficult to find Spartan graves. Source: http://www.scottmanning.com/content/spartan-burial-practices/ I certainly wouldn't be hiring that guy for any job involving glue or jigsaws. John On 14/09/2013 06:04, "wahlpe...@aol.com" wrote: >Hi All, > >This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason >that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet >the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists >would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any >history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It >seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and >UofA as sources of information. > >Sonny > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Jason Utas >To: Anne Black >Cc: Meteorite-list >Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite > > >Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel >is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came > from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of >some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the >fragments. The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be > from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is >a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after >seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot >together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I >began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of >glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other >ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular >shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one >handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that >thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable >fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided >description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep >12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black wrote:> Hello >Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he >should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an >archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect >place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black> >www.IMPACTIKA.com> impact...@aol.com>>>> -Original Message-> > From: Roman Jirasek > To: meteorite-list >> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm> >Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an >archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I >could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this> >year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow >colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below, >or click on link to see his> photos...> >http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek> >www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows>> I am an >Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property >in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and >was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, >220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not >know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the> >meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in >high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only >battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was >with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle >for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the >Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from >the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you >tell me? Of any> meteor
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Hi All, This looks like something Proud Tom would have done! I agree with Jason that the pottery looks mismatched. It is hard to tell but I would bet the stone is not even a meteorite. I doubt that many Archeologists would glue a pot together this way. I was not able to pull up any history online (from a couple reliable sources) on his name either. It seems if he lives in Phoenix that he would be well aware of ASU and UofA as sources of information. Sonny -Original Message- From: Jason Utas To: Anne Black Cc: Meteorite-list Sent: Fri, Sep 13, 2013 12:24 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite Hello Roman, All,I'm no expert, but...The vertical view of the vessel is triangular because the potteryfragments of the lower portion came from a much larger vessel --probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of some sort, given its apparentdiameter and the thickness of some of the fragments. The glazed anddelicately-formed lip and neck appear to be from a completelydifferent vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is a bit odd, notsure about it.The first question that came to mind after seeing the images is "Whywould anyone glue pieces of a large pot together in the form of a muchsmaller one?"Upon closer inspection, I began to wonder why an archaeologist wouldglue mismatched pieces of glass or glazed pottery, painted and scoredterracotta, and other ceramics of greatly differing thicknessestogether into a triangular shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora'sshape...albeit with one handle.I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that thepottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable fordating purposes.I had too many questions after reading the provided description.Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert...JasonOn Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black wrote:> Hello Roman,>> It is really quite simple.> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he should go straight to Arizona State University> (ASU) they have an archaeology department and some of the top meteorite> experts.> Perfect place to get answers to all his questions.>>> Anne M. Black> www.IMPACTIKA.com> impact...@aol.com>>>> -Original Message-> From: Roman Jirasek > To: meteorite-list > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm> Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite>>> I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also> if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this> year.>> I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which> may> have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his> photos...> http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm>> Cheers,> Roman Jirasek> www.meteoritelabels.com>> Copied email follows>> I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private> property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase,> and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item.>> I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the> meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle.>> The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle;> was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans.>> It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the> gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of> victory from the God of Mars.>> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest> date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume> the meteorite obviously fell before that date.>> This would help us, with dating the find.>> Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The> meteorite?>> Thank you>> Douglas Roth.> Phoenix, Arizona.> Sparta archaeology.>> Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics.>> I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas> Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel> and tours.>> Douglas Rothman.>>>>>> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com> Meteorite-list mailing list> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>> __>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archiv
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
It seems like a load of crap to me, just fodder for next "diggers" episode. It would make some nice "nectar". Good luck with that scam. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Sep 13, 2013, at 1:24 AM, Jason Utas wrote: > Hello Roman, All, > I'm no expert, but... > > The vertical view of the vessel is triangular because the pottery > fragments of the lower portion came from a much larger vessel -- > probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of some sort, given its apparent > diameter and the thickness of some of the fragments. The glazed and > delicately-formed lip and neck appear to be from a completely > different vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is a bit odd, not > sure about it. > > The first question that came to mind after seeing the images is "Why > would anyone glue pieces of a large pot together in the form of a much > smaller one?" > > Upon closer inspection, I began to wonder why an archaeologist would > glue mismatched pieces of glass or glazed pottery, painted and scored > terracotta, and other ceramics of greatly differing thicknesses > together into a triangular shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora's > shape...albeit with one handle. > > I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that the > pottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable for > dating purposes. > > I had too many questions after reading the provided description. > Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert... > > Jason > > On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black wrote: >> Hello Roman, >> >> It is really quite simple. >> Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he should go straight to Arizona State University >> (ASU) they have an archaeology department and some of the top meteorite >> experts. >> Perfect place to get answers to all his questions. >> >> >> Anne M. Black >> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Roman Jirasek >> To: meteorite-list >> Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite >> >> >> I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also >> if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this >> year. >> >> I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which >> may >> have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his >> photos... >> http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm >> >> Cheers, >> Roman Jirasek >> www.meteoritelabels.com >> >> Copied email follows >> >> I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private >> property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, >> and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 >> BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. >> >> I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the >> meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high >> regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. >> >> The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; >> was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. >> >> It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the >> gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of >> victory from the God of Mars. >> >> I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any >> meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest >> date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume >> the meteorite obviously fell before that date. >> >> This would help us, with dating the find. >> >> Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The >> meteorite? >> >> Thank you >> >> Douglas Roth. >> Phoenix, Arizona. >> Sparta archaeology. >> >> Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. >> >> I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas >> Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel >> and tours. >> >> Douglas Rothman. >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Thanks everyone, I sent him the first 3 replies. Cheers, Roman -- From: "Roman Jirasek" Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:50 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this year. I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which may have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his photos... http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com Copied email follows I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of victory from the God of Mars. I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume the meteorite obviously fell before that date. This would help us, with dating the find. Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The meteorite? Thank you Douglas Roth. Phoenix, Arizona. Sparta archaeology. Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel and tours. Douglas Rothman. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Whenever I hear this phrase it always rings bells to me.. > Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. m. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Graham Ensor Sent: 13 September 2013 09:17 To: Roman Jirasek Cc: meteorite list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite I agree with JasonSounds a bit dubious to meespecially when you look at the vase which seems to be reconstructed from several different vases...!!! Surely any archeologist of any repute/expertise would not have done that? Graham On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Roman Jirasek wrote: > I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and > also if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he > found this year. > > I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues > which may have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on > link to see his photos... > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm > > Cheers, > Roman Jirasek > www.meteoritelabels.com > > Copied email follows > > I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private > property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient > vase, and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to > approximately, 220 BCE to > 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. > > I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. > Since the meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it > was held in high regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. > > The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the > battle; was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. > > It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign > from the gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the > meteorite is a sign of victory from the God of Mars. > > I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any > meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the > earliest date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite > soldier. We assume the meteorite obviously fell before that date. > > This would help us, with dating the find. > > Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. > The meteorite? > > Thank you > > Douglas Roth. > Phoenix, Arizona. > Sparta archaeology. > > Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. > > I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas > Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology > travel and tours. > > Douglas Rothman. > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I agree with JasonSounds a bit dubious to meespecially when you look at the vase which seems to be reconstructed from several different vases...!!! Surely any archeologist of any repute/expertise would not have done that? Graham On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Roman Jirasek wrote: > I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also > if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this > year. > > I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which > may > have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his > photos... > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm > > Cheers, > Roman Jirasek > www.meteoritelabels.com > > Copied email follows > > I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private property > in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, and was > buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 BCE to > 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. > > I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the > meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high > regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. > > The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; > was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. > > It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the > gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of > victory from the God of Mars. > > I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any > meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest > date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume > the meteorite obviously fell before that date. > > This would help us, with dating the find. > > Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The > meteorite? > > Thank you > > Douglas Roth. > Phoenix, Arizona. > Sparta archaeology. > > Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. > > I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas > Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel > and tours. > > Douglas Rothman. > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Roman, All, I'm no expert, but... The vertical view of the vessel is triangular because the pottery fragments of the lower portion came from a much larger vessel -- probably a bowl or two-handled vessel of some sort, given its apparent diameter and the thickness of some of the fragments. The glazed and delicately-formed lip and neck appear to be from a completely different vase -- a nice one, at that. The handle is a bit odd, not sure about it. The first question that came to mind after seeing the images is "Why would anyone glue pieces of a large pot together in the form of a much smaller one?" Upon closer inspection, I began to wonder why an archaeologist would glue mismatched pieces of glass or glazed pottery, painted and scored terracotta, and other ceramics of greatly differing thicknesses together into a triangular shape that (crudely) mimics an amphora's shape...albeit with one handle. I'm surprised that anyone carbon-dated the site, given that the pottery and details of other artifacts are often deemed suitable for dating purposes. I had too many questions after reading the provided description. Sure, pass the fellow along to an expert... Jason On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Anne Black wrote: > Hello Roman, > > It is really quite simple. > Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he should go straight to Arizona State University > (ASU) they have an archaeology department and some of the top meteorite > experts. > Perfect place to get answers to all his questions. > > > Anne M. Black > www.IMPACTIKA.com > impact...@aol.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roman Jirasek > To: meteorite-list > Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm > Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite > > > I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also > if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this > year. > > I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which > may > have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his > photos... > http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm > > Cheers, > Roman Jirasek > www.meteoritelabels.com > > Copied email follows > > I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private > property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, > and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 > BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. > > I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the > meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high > regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. > > The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; > was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. > > It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the > gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of > victory from the God of Mars. > > I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any > meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest > date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume > the meteorite obviously fell before that date. > > This would help us, with dating the find. > > Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The > meteorite? > > Thank you > > Douglas Roth. > Phoenix, Arizona. > Sparta archaeology. > > Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. > > I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas > Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel > and tours. > > Douglas Rothman. > > > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Hello Roman, This object will be the subject of debate between those on the List who answer your request. Why not advise your friend to cut out all the contention and, as he lives in Arizona, simply take it to the appropriate department of one of the two universities in the area and have a "real" expert examine it. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Roman Jirasek >Sent: Sep 12, 2013 6:50 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite > >I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also >if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this >year. > >I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which >may >have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his >photos... >http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm > >Cheers, >Roman Jirasek >www.meteoritelabels.com > >Copied email follows > > I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private >property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, >and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 >BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. > >I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the >meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high >regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. > >The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; >was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. > >It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the >gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of >victory from the God of Mars. > >I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any >meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest >date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume >the meteorite obviously fell before that date. > >This would help us, with dating the find. > >Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The >meteorite? > >Thank you > >Douglas Roth. >Phoenix, Arizona. >Sparta archaeology. > >Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. > >I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas >Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel >and tours. > >Douglas Rothman. > > > > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Hello Roman, It is really quite simple. Since he is in Phoenix AZ, he should go straight to Arizona State University (ASU) they have an archaeology department and some of the top meteorite experts. Perfect place to get answers to all his questions. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Roman Jirasek To: meteorite-list Sent: Thu, Sep 12, 2013 8:00 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this year. I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which may have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his photos... http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com Copied email follows I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of victory from the God of Mars. I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume the meteorite obviously fell before that date. This would help us, with dating the find. Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The meteorite? Thank you Douglas Roth. Phoenix, Arizona. Sparta archaeology. Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel and tours. Douglas Rothman. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this year. I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which may have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his photos... http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm Cheers, Roman Jirasek www.meteoritelabels.com Copied email follows I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of victory from the God of Mars. I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume the meteorite obviously fell before that date. This would help us, with dating the find. Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The meteorite? Thank you Douglas Roth. Phoenix, Arizona. Sparta archaeology. Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel and tours. Douglas Rothman. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
