[meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Hi Mike, Thanks for the input. I thought troilite was supposed to be exbibited as round or oval-shaped inclusions in irons like Toluca. I have never seen crossed lines of troilite as shown in the photo. Yes, the dealer indicated that he obtained the description from the collector Ceruda. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Hi Mark and List, That's a weird looking etch. I assume, if it's meteorite, that it's oxidized. Are the little black squiggly-lines the result of oxidation? If not, then I've never seen anything like it, in person or in photos. I'm always a little suspect of meteorites and tektites offered by sellers like this. Meteorites is not the seller's main area of knowledge (obviously a terrestrial gem and mineral dealer) - so there is always the increased possibility that the item was misrepresented to the seller and the seller is just passing along the same misinformation, unwittingly. I'd pass on it, personally. Plus it's overseas, so it could be more difficult to get a refund or recourse if there is an issue with the specimen's authenticity. That's just my two cents - actual worth may vary. ;) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 8/4/09, Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com wrote: Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Florida, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Personal Site - http://www.glassthrower.com FaceBook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale Twitter - Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone eBay - http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/maypickle .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay
Hello Mark, All, Those squiggly lines are what Nininger coined lawrencite, a corrosive disease that occurs primarily in the presence of terrestrial salts. While the term is fairly well-recognized, it generally applies to meteorites which experience accelerated oxidation even years after having been found, having spent long periods of time in unfavorable climates. The slice does indeed look like Toluca, and it might be a fine specimen if refinished, but good luck with preserving it - maybe Bill Mason might have a word on this. That said, there are no troilite inclusions visible in the slice. Regards, Jason On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Kashubamary.kash...@verizon.net wrote: Mark, List, It looks to me like an etched iron meteorite slice that has been clear coated and is rusting. Corrosion will boil up and worm its way around under coatings. Some Toluca have prominent troilite. None is obvious in this slice but it still could very well be a Toluca. Maybe someone read a description somewhere that mentioned troilite, saw the Widmanstätten pattern and figured that is what the crossed lines are. You might pick it up cheap, refinish it and pray. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grossman Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on Toluca Sample that I came across on ebay Would be interested on any comments on this Toluca sample that I came across on ebay. According to the seller, the sample was purchased from a collector in Spain named Ceruda and the troilite is the crossed lines on the specimen. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180387460024ssPageName=S TRK:MEWAX:IT Thanks. Mark Grossman __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
