Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-04 Thread Peter Davidson
Hi Graham and All

As one of the people you persuaded to join the List, I beg you not to
feel embarrassed about the level of discussion in the last few weeks.
Anyone who has gone to the pub and tried to have a rational discussion
on politics will know how low things can go. I intend to remain on the
list and just replace my delete button from time to time as it wears
out!

Have a good weekend

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Hi Pete, All,

Yes I have noticed that. This year I spoke to several folks interested
in meteorites who had joined on my recommendation and I am actually
embarrassed now as the quality of discussion has deteriorated badly. I
have taken part for years but recently 90% of posts are just wearing out
my delete key!

Graham Ensor, UK

 Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net wrote: 
 Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list 
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 I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures.
 I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread Pete Pete

 
Two words: Panspermia Theory.



 Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:26:53 -0700
 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

 Hi Everyone,

 With all due respect to all. This list has ONE forum. Almost ALL forums
 online have many forum categories, and most have an off-topic category
 forum for people to communicate their opinions and discuss off-topic
 posts. It keeps the community whole and gives members who wish to
 discuss off-topic issues, a choice. In other words you still do have a
 choice. Read the post or hit your delete key.

 The Alien Life thread is in fact either indirectly or possibly
 directly related to meteorites, and therefore VERY worthy of this list.
 Anyone who'd like to argue that notion should reconsider their own
 understanding of what the study of meteorites truly means and their own
 list membership. By complaining about seemingly off-topic posts in
 regards to aliens people are in effect saying they don't want to learn
 about their universe. Sorry if that seems harsh, but I've seen a lot
 worse things on this list than the serious philosophical and
 scientifically educated discussions of the possibility of life elsewhere
 in the universe.

 I for one would much rather discuss seriously the alien life subject in
 relationship to the studies being performed on meteorites, and the
 evidence being found within them that support the notion of life
 elsewhere, rather than be a part of a forum who speaks unintelligently
 about alien abduction, or close encounters and UFO sightings.

 Besides, the whole reason behind the study of meteorites in the first
 place is to learn MORE about our universe, and this CERTAINLY includes
 the search for extraterrestrial life and in fact could center on it.
 Those who would argue that scientific and logical discussion about the
 possibilities of life elsewhere in our universe based on the connection
 between that life and meteorites is somehow Not Worthy and Off-Topic
 is somehow not entirely fair or correct.

 It doesn't have to be a discussion about little green men, it has to do
 with the study of meteorites and the real possibility of
 extraterrestrial life, and the direct connections with meteorites if any
 that exist.

 To deny that is simply akin to an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.

 Regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread Meteorites USA
Not quite what I was referring to... But Panspermia is a valid theory 
nonetheless.


Regards,
Eric




Pete Pete wrote:
 
Two words: Panspermia Theory.




  

Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:26:53 -0700
From: e...@meteoritesusa.com
CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

Hi Everyone,

With all due respect to all. This list has ONE forum. Almost ALL forums
online have many forum categories, and most have an off-topic category
forum for people to communicate their opinions and discuss off-topic
posts. It keeps the community whole and gives members who wish to
discuss off-topic issues, a choice. In other words you still do have a
choice. Read the post or hit your delete key.

The Alien Life thread is in fact either indirectly or possibly
directly related to meteorites, and therefore VERY worthy of this list.
Anyone who'd like to argue that notion should reconsider their own
understanding of what the study of meteorites truly means and their own
list membership. By complaining about seemingly off-topic posts in
regards to aliens people are in effect saying they don't want to learn
about their universe. Sorry if that seems harsh, but I've seen a lot
worse things on this list than the serious philosophical and
scientifically educated discussions of the possibility of life elsewhere
in the universe.

I for one would much rather discuss seriously the alien life subject in
relationship to the studies being performed on meteorites, and the
evidence being found within them that support the notion of life
elsewhere, rather than be a part of a forum who speaks unintelligently
about alien abduction, or close encounters and UFO sightings.

Besides, the whole reason behind the study of meteorites in the first
place is to learn MORE about our universe, and this CERTAINLY includes
the search for extraterrestrial life and in fact could center on it.
Those who would argue that scientific and logical discussion about the
possibilities of life elsewhere in our universe based on the connection
between that life and meteorites is somehow Not Worthy and Off-Topic
is somehow not entirely fair or correct.

It doesn't have to be a discussion about little green men, it has to do
with the study of meteorites and the real possibility of
extraterrestrial life, and the direct connections with meteorites if any
that exist.

To deny that is simply akin to an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-03 Thread ensoramanda
Hi Pete, All,

Yes I have noticed that. This year I spoke to several folks interested in 
meteorites who had joined on my recommendation and I am actually embarrassed 
now as the quality of discussion has deteriorated badly. I have taken part for 
years but recently 90% of posts are just wearing out my delete key!

Graham Ensor, UK

 Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net wrote: 
 Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list 
 in the last few weeks?
 I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures.
 I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-03 Thread Steve Dunklee
the list only has about 1-2k members, the above top secret site has around 35k 
members. off topic discussions have nothing to do with people leaving the list! 
Dissing people and intimidation by egghead geeks who think they know everything 
is what is driving people away from the list! I am betting nearly everyone on 
the list has a college education! if you have something to say that is negative 
to a member say it off list! Meteorics is a small world! and it has a large 
learning curve too.
  If you all showed some sympathy and used the list to educate rather than 
castrate! it would be growing!
enough said
Steve

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote:

 From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
 To: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:00 PM
 Hello Pete and List,
 
 Pete wrote:
 Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the
 list
 in the last few weeks?
 I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these
 departures.
 I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them
 off.
 
 More likely the Off Topic threads like Aliens and other
 junk, but then again, the crazies on the List don't help
 either!
 
 Best regards,
 Greg
 
 
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 - Original Message - From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:55 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
 
 
  Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the
 list in the last few weeks?
  I have to wonder what might be the reason for all
 these departures.
  I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven
 them off.
  Pete
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-03 Thread Becky and Kirk

Well said Steve! I agree with you 100%
Kirk.
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To: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list


the list only has about 1-2k members, the above top secret site has around 
35k members. off topic discussions have nothing to do with people leaving 
the list! Dissing people and intimidation by egghead geeks who think they 
know everything is what is driving people away from the list! I am betting 
nearly everyone on the list has a college education! if you have something 
to say that is negative to a member say it off list! Meteorics is a small 
world! and it has a large learning curve too.
 If you all showed some sympathy and used the list to educate rather than 
castrate! it would be growing!

enough said
Steve

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net wrote:


From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list
To: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net, 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:00 PM
Hello Pete and List,

Pete wrote:
Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the
list
in the last few weeks?
I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these
departures.
I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them
off.

More likely the Off Topic threads like Aliens and other
junk, but then again, the crazies on the List don't help
either!

Best regards,
Greg


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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list


 Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the
list in the last few weeks?
 I have to wonder what might be the reason for all
these departures.
 I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven
them off.
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[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum

Pete:

I used to entertain notions of Panspermia, before I lost my religion 
(concerning outer space intelligent life).  I don't think there are enough 
particles of matter to support the Brownian Motion necessary to move the 
spores or sperm or dna or what have you.  Maybe here in our Local 
Neighborhood, but probably not in intergalactic space.  Only a small 
percentage of matter as we know it  is out there.  Unless you get Brownian 
Motion from dark matter, dark energy, antimatter, or whatever that stuff is 
out there.




Eric  Sterling:  I agree with you 125% on the topicality of the question of 
the existence of outer space life.


If you don't like the topic du jour,  instead of yelping like a wounded 
beagle, why not just start a new thread that is so totally awesome that 
everyone starts discussing it instead.


Phil Whitmer

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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-03 Thread Darren Garrison
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 07:55:59 -0500, you wrote:

Well said Steve! I agree with you 100%
Kirk.
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com

 the list! Dissing people and intimidation by egghead geeks who think they 
 know everything is what is driving people away from the list! I am betting 
 nearly everyone on the list has a college education! if you have something 
 to say that is negative to a member say it off list! Meteorics is a small 
 world! and it has a large learning curve too.
  If you all showed some sympathy and used the list to educate rather than 
 castrate! it would be growing!
 enough said

In defense of the list (and myself, who is your likely target) I seem to recall
that the list members are almost universally polite and patient with newcomers
asking what to us are old questions, and someone usually takes the time to
patiently and clearly answer those questions.  It is only when the newcomers,
once their questions have been answered, continue to argue over and over for
their own misconceptions as being right and the answerers as being wrong that
the kid gloves come off.   In other words, being ignorant isn't treated as a
crime here-- being an idiot is.

The egghead geeks part sounds like good old-fashioned American
anti-intellectualism.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism

If I was wanting only to be a jerk, I'd post a link like this:

http://tinyurl.com/n83fhp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Phil, List,

You don't need Brownian motion of any kind.
An object, set in motion, remains in uniform
motion unless interfered with. Some guy named
Newton said that.

You need to read up some. I said that.


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2009 10:27 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!



Pete:

I used to entertain notions of Panspermia, before I lost my religion 
(concerning outer space intelligent life).  I don't think there are 
enough particles of matter to support the Brownian Motion necessary to 
move the spores or sperm or dna or what have you.  Maybe here in our 
Local Neighborhood, but probably not in intergalactic space.  Only a 
small percentage of matter as we know it  is out there.  Unless you 
get Brownian Motion from dark matter, dark energy, antimatter, or 
whatever that stuff is out there.




Eric  Sterling:  I agree with you 125% on the topicality of the 
question of the existence of outer space life.


If you don't like the topic du jour,  instead of yelping like a 
wounded beagle, why not just start a new thread that is so totally 
awesome that everyone starts discussing it instead.


Phil Whitmer

Two words: Panspermia Theory.
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[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum

Sterling,

Yes, I've heard of that guy! (Danger, Will Robinson! Lame attempt at humor 
approaching!), and I love Fig Newtons!
I don't have time for no stinking reading, I work 2 jobs.  You must know 
from my posts that I just write down the first thing that pops into my head. 
(Kind of like you do for movie line quotes).


Besides, who needs to read, we have a thing nowadays called: Wikipedia! (I 
can even read it in Klingon or Esperanto!)


Phil Whitmer

Phil, List,

You don't need Brownian motion of any kind.
An object, set in motion, remains in uniform
motion unless interfered with. Some guy named
Newton said that.

You need to read up some. I said that.


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[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
The key words here are unless interefered with.  That is like saying all 
things being equal.  They never are!  Let's say an object is approaching 
our little sub spiral armlet, from the main spiral arm of the Milky Way. 
Or, if you want to keep it within the Local Neighborhood,  it's coming from 
the outer reaches of the Oort Cloud. Gosh, I can't think of one single thing 
that would interfere with it's motion! It's a complete and total vacuum all 
the way, no solar wind, no gravitational effects from Jupiter, etc.  NOT! 
Of course something is going to interfere with it. Maybe under an ideal set 
of circumstances that statement is true. But practically speaking, I believe 
something could quite possibly cause intereference.


Phil Whitmer

Phil, List,

You don't need Brownian motion of any kind.
An object, set in motion, remains in uniform
motion unless interfered with. Some guy named
Newton said that.

You need to read up some. I said that.


Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-03 Thread Pete Pete

 
 
Hi Phil and List,
 
My intention was to make a connection between the topic Extraterrestrial Life 
and meteorites, not necessarily to discuss Panspermia...without six degrees ;)
 
Cheers,
Pete
 



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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:27:17 -0400
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

 Pete:

 I used to entertain notions of Panspermia, before I lost my religion
 (concerning outer space intelligent life). I don't think there are enough
 particles of matter to support the Brownian Motion necessary to move the
 spores or sperm or dna or what have you. Maybe here in our Local
 Neighborhood, but probably not in intergalactic space. Only a small
 percentage of matter as we know it is out there. Unless you get Brownian
 Motion from dark matter, dark energy, antimatter, or whatever that stuff is
 out there.



 Eric  Sterling: I agree with you 125% on the topicality of the question of
 the existence of outer space life.

 If you don't like the topic du jour, instead of yelping like a wounded
 beagle, why not just start a new thread that is so totally awesome that
 everyone starts discussing it instead.

 Phil Whitmer

 Two words: Panspermia Theory.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-03 Thread John Gwilliam
I'm curious.  How can you tell if even one person has left the list 
in the last few weeks, let alone many?


John Gwilliam

At 07:55 PM 9/2/2009, Pete Shugar wrote:
Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the 
last few weeks?

I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures.
I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-03 Thread Mike Hankey
 How can you tell if even one person has left the list in the last few weeks, 
 let alone many?

because all these people keep writing to the list with R~E~M~O~V~E .
don't want to really write it cause I might get remo... i mean.. taken
off the list

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:17 PM, John Gwilliamj...@cox.net wrote:
 I'm curious.  How can you tell if even one person has left the list in the
 last few weeks, let alone many?

 John Gwilliam

 At 07:55 PM 9/2/2009, Pete Shugar wrote:

 Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last
 few weeks?
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 I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.
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[meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-02 Thread Pete Shugar
Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list 
in the last few weeks?

I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures.
I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list

2009-09-02 Thread Greg Hupe

Hello Pete and List,

Pete wrote:
Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list
in the last few weeks?
I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures.
I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.

More likely the Off Topic threads like Aliens and other junk, but then 
again, the crazies on the List don't help either!


Best regards,
Greg


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From: Pete Shugar pshu...@clearwire.net

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Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Removal from the list


Has anyone noticed just how many have been leaving the list in the last 
few weeks?

I have to wonder what might be the reason for all these departures.
I certainly hope that all the bickering has not driven them off.
Pete

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[meteorite-list] Removal from the list - Aliens Did It!

2009-09-02 Thread Meteorites USA

Hi Everyone,

With all due respect to all. This list has ONE forum. Almost ALL forums 
online have many forum categories, and most have an off-topic category 
forum for people to communicate their opinions and discuss off-topic 
posts. It keeps the community whole and gives members who wish to 
discuss off-topic issues, a choice. In other words you still do have a 
choice. Read the post or hit your delete key.


The Alien Life thread is in fact either indirectly or possibly 
directly related to meteorites, and therefore VERY worthy of this list. 
Anyone who'd like to argue that notion should reconsider their own 
understanding of what the study of meteorites truly means and their own 
list membership. By complaining about seemingly off-topic posts in 
regards to aliens people are in effect saying they don't want to learn 
about their universe. Sorry if that seems harsh, but I've seen a lot 
worse things on this list than the serious philosophical and 
scientifically educated discussions of the possibility of life elsewhere 
in the universe.


I for one would much rather discuss seriously the alien life subject in 
relationship to the studies being performed on meteorites, and the 
evidence being found within them that support the notion of life 
elsewhere, rather than be a part of a forum who speaks unintelligently 
about alien abduction, or close encounters and UFO sightings.


Besides, the whole reason behind the study of meteorites in the first 
place is to learn MORE about our universe, and this CERTAINLY includes 
the search for extraterrestrial life and in fact could center on it. 
Those who would argue that scientific and logical discussion about the 
possibilities of life elsewhere in our universe based on the connection 
between that life and meteorites is somehow Not Worthy and Off-Topic 
is somehow not entirely fair or correct.


It doesn't have to be a discussion about little green men, it has to do 
with the study of meteorites and the real possibility of 
extraterrestrial life, and the direct connections with meteorites if any 
that exist.


To deny that is simply akin to an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand.

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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[meteorite-list] Removal from mailing list

2002-02-02 Thread Jhlanning1

Please remove my address from mail list

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