Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family
Dear Doug, a really excellent synopsis! Some illustrations: Here we have the monument in Dacice, commemorating the production of the first sugar cube: http://www.zuckersammler.de/gfx/tauschtage/dacice_03_01.jpg A pilgrimage site for sugar cube fanatics from all over the World. These first produced cubes became popular as Viennese Sugar Cubes (Wiener Würfelzucker). Sugar cubes are an important field of private collecting, The number of collectors worldwide is estimated to exceed 2 million individuals, - compare to the 1000-2000 meteorite collectors in existence; the largest collections unite up to 150,000 specimens and locales. Indeed, as you presumed, the today's brand: Diamant-Zucker is still in the possession of the descendants of Eugen Langen, who improved 1870 the T cube production with his Langen'schen Würfelverfahren (and designed btw the Wuppertal Schwebebahn, the Steel Dragon). In dissociation to the Viennese Cube, he named his cubes Cologne Cubes. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/eb/Eugen-langen.jpg Today the Viennese Cubes are still a standard unit to visualize the sugar content of food and drinks in an equipollent of sugar cubes. (1 can of Coke contains 13 sugar cubes). The weight of the Viennese Cube in that case is 3.7 grams. (See also your 3.6grams of CH and Dixie Crystals cubes). Unfortunately I couldn't find the edge length of the Viennese standard cube (The Viennese Ur-cube was caramelized by the marauding mob during the Viennese October Revolt in 1848) From an unsecured source I read, that Diamant-Zucker, therefore the founders of the Cologne cube, is selling nowadays cuboids of roughly 1cm x 2cm x 2cm with a weight of 2grams (or so) as standard, hence half cubes. Here we have a painting, depicting Howard experimentalizing the ablation of meteorites while their fiery descents and the forming of flight-oriented shapes by dint of sugar. http://www.elvis-paintings.de/gfx/bilder/celebrity_art_ruehmann.jpg Here a modern construction of the test arrangement http://www.issuemanagement.de/images/feuerzangenbowle.jpg Side-product was the conical sugar loaf: http://home.clara.net/mawer/image-sugarloaf2.jpg but that's another chapter, Sugar... Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von mexicodoug Gesendet: Freitag, 9. November 2007 06:33 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Dear List, Hmmm. Very meteorite related! Now for a fun post. Great history on the Scale Cube, Svend, and thanks Mike for the additional information! Given all the interest in scale cubes, I've compiled a history of the scale cube prior to the ones developed by the Russians and NASA (it is below my answer to Martin's question). There wasn't much info available on your sites about what was used before NASA, except the cube that Mike Jensen kindly posted regarding Haro's Heros. These cubes are definitely related to meteorites, more than many will probably even know. But first: Martin foreshadowed: (are sugar-cubes in USA metric?) No, they are not, unless you measure them with a centimeter ruler :-) In the US they are actually certified scale cubes. They are loosely 1/2 or 1 Tea-spoon amounts of sugar, which scale to one cup of Tea. I don't think the ones in Europe are a centimeter cubed either, for that matter, are they? That would be a real diet lite cube being just 0.8 to 1.1 grams... Now a question for you: German Zuckerwürfels aren't even cubes, are they? and how many/what dimensions are in a 500g box that sells for under what $2 ( In the US sugar cubes are one cent each.)? http://www.wopping.com/images/product/1483.jpg . Maybe at least Diamant Würfelzuckers (which have a pedigree back to Langen)? About the original scale cube. These were actually first crystallized as T Cubes or Tea Cubes, and they were literally covered in Tea that was underlied with a saucer. By Victorian times they were the de facto scale cube of choice in Europe to measure size. The material of construction was, in fact, sugar. The first application was a non-hazardous fixed aliquot of sugar for a nice cup of tea. But I am getting ahead of myself... Sugar was introduced by conquering Moroccans into Europe during the conquest of Spain in about 800 AD. Christopher Columbus had an steamy affair with Beatriz in the Canary Islands on the way to discover the Americas and delayed continuing on the maiden voyage a month so he could romantically take some of here sugarcane, which he brought to the new world with him to remember her. (Columbus was a sugar broker in Genoa.) However, for the first ~1500 years, the process to make sugar didn't lend to cube-making due to all the sticky and wasted carmel produced in the boiling kettles as syrup was concentrated. This all changed when the first prototype modern sugar cubes were reputedly invented
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of course, martin.and here we have a monument, celebrating the synthesis of wuerfelzucker fusion crust: http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/00194/Gregor-Schneider_DW_194337g.jpg - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'mexicodoug' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Dear Doug, a really excellent synopsis! Some illustrations: Here we have the monument in Dacice, commemorating the production of the first sugar cube: http://www.zuckersammler.de/gfx/tauschtage/dacice_03_01.jpg A pilgrimage site for sugar cube fanatics from all over the World. These first produced cubes became popular as Viennese Sugar Cubes (Wiener Würfelzucker). Sugar cubes are an important field of private collecting, The number of collectors worldwide is estimated to exceed 2 million individuals, - compare to the 1000-2000 meteorite collectors in existence; the largest collections unite up to 150,000 specimens and locales. Indeed, as you presumed, the today's brand: Diamant-Zucker is still in the possession of the descendants of Eugen Langen, who improved 1870 the T cube production with his Langen'schen Würfelverfahren (and designed btw the Wuppertal Schwebebahn, the Steel Dragon). In dissociation to the Viennese Cube, he named his cubes Cologne Cubes. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/e/eb/Eugen-langen.jpg Today the Viennese Cubes are still a standard unit to visualize the sugar content of food and drinks in an equipollent of sugar cubes. (1 can of Coke contains 13 sugar cubes). The weight of the Viennese Cube in that case is 3.7 grams. (See also your 3.6grams of CH and Dixie Crystals cubes). Unfortunately I couldn't find the edge length of the Viennese standard cube (The Viennese Ur-cube was caramelized by the marauding mob during the Viennese October Revolt in 1848) From an unsecured source I read, that Diamant-Zucker, therefore the founders of the Cologne cube, is selling nowadays cuboids of roughly 1cm x 2cm x 2cm with a weight of 2grams (or so) as standard, hence half cubes. Here we have a painting, depicting Howard experimentalizing the ablation of meteorites while their fiery descents and the forming of flight-oriented shapes by dint of sugar. http://www.elvis-paintings.de/gfx/bilder/celebrity_art_ruehmann.jpg Here a modern construction of the test arrangement http://www.issuemanagement.de/images/feuerzangenbowle.jpg Side-product was the conical sugar loaf: http://home.clara.net/mawer/image-sugarloaf2.jpg but that's another chapter, Sugar... Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von mexicodoug Gesendet: Freitag, 9. November 2007 06:33 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Martin Altmann Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Dear List, Hmmm. Very meteorite related! Now for a fun post. Great history on the Scale Cube, Svend, and thanks Mike for the additional information! Given all the interest in scale cubes, I've compiled a history of the scale cube prior to the ones developed by the Russians and NASA (it is below my answer to Martin's question). There wasn't much info available on your sites about what was used before NASA, except the cube that Mike Jensen kindly posted regarding Haro's Heros. These cubes are definitely related to meteorites, more than many will probably even know. But first: Martin foreshadowed: (are sugar-cubes in USA metric?) No, they are not, unless you measure them with a centimeter ruler :-) In the US they are actually certified scale cubes. They are loosely 1/2 or 1 Tea-spoon amounts of sugar, which scale to one cup of Tea. I don't think the ones in Europe are a centimeter cubed either, for that matter, are they? That would be a real diet lite cube being just 0.8 to 1.1 grams... Now a question for you: German Zuckerwürfels aren't even cubes, are they? and how many/what dimensions are in a 500g box that sells for under what $2 ( In the US sugar cubes are one cent each.)? http://www.wopping.com/images/product/1483.jpg . Maybe at least Diamant Würfelzuckers (which have a pedigree back to Langen)? About the original scale cube. These were actually first crystallized as T Cubes or Tea Cubes, and they were literally covered in Tea that was underlied with a saucer. By Victorian times they were the de facto scale cube of choice in Europe to measure size. The material of construction was, in fact, sugar. The first application was a non-hazardous fixed aliquot of sugar for a nice cup of tea. But I am getting ahead of myself... Sugar was introduced by conquering Moroccans into Europe during the conquest of Spain in about 800 AD. Christopher Columbus had an steamy affair with Beatriz in the Canary Islands on the way to discover the Americas and delayed continuing on the maiden voyage a month so he could romantically take some
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I thought they were all cm cubes as well, until I got several emails asking me to produce inch cubes. One guy even sent me pictures of several NASA inch cubes.Some pictures of cubes had marks on the T and B. That guy bought one of my inch cubes, and after receiving it, ordered 12 custom made cubes with tick marks on ALL letters! What I don't understand is why some of them have tick marks on all the letters. Why would one need a mark showing the bottom of the W? ...And the T and B??? Mike, can you enlighten me on this one? Drake A rock pile ceases to be a pile of rocks, the moment one contemplates it and envisions a cathedral. Drake Doc Dameräu L3CC Member www.nepra.com www.rocketmaterials.org http://home.sprynet.com/~monel/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike, they used 1 inch cubes at: 1 inch : http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/ap15-S71-44990.jpg 1 inch : http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/images/browse/earth/breccia.jpg but they used 1cm cubes also : 1cm : http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo11/A11_MP.SampleDoc2FS.gif 1cm : http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/Rock79135.jpg 1cm : http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/images/browse/earth/igneous.jpg 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076007.htm 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076008.htm 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076009.htm 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076010.htm Stefan Hello Svend, NASA used the 1 inch cube in the Lunar Receiving Lab for photographic reference of all Apollo lunar samples. At the time, it was referred to as a 'Scale Block.' I believe this is the only time the 1 inch cube was employed anywhere in the world. In the LRL, centimeters would be referenced on the specimen 'counter' only. Here is a photo of the 1 inch cube in the LRL circa 1970: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/LRL-scaleblock.jpg The 1 inch cube was fabricated in a machine shop next to the LRL prior to Apollo 11. Later, the vertical tick mark would be added. I believe they were designed by the gentlemen who designed all of the LRL tools (I have his name here somewhere). It is unclear at what point the CM cubes were first employed, but I believe it was around 1975-1977 when ANSMET began collecting meteorites from Antarctica. I believe the 1 inch LRL cubes are the first cubes ever produced. Thanks for the question! Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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thanks Mike, that's quite interesting. They must have switched their reference scale somewhere in the late seventies. There are a number of later ANSMET photos from the eighties that already show 1cm cubes. For example here with Mac Alpine Hills 88104 and MAC 88105: http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/mac88105.htm or here as early as 1981 with ALH 81005: Seems strange to me that they switched from inch to cm. That would make comparing of earlier and later documentation a quite disturbing. Thanks for answering best regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de Hello Svend, NASA used the 1 inch cube in the Lunar Receiving Lab for photographic reference of all Apollo lunar samples. At the time, it was referred to as a 'Scale Block.' I believe this is the only time the 1 inch cube was employed anywhere in the world. In the LRL, centimeters would be referenced on the specimen 'counter' only. Here is a photo of the 1 inch cube in the LRL circa 1970: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/LRL-scaleblock.jpg The 1 inch cube was fabricated in a machine shop next to the LRL prior to Apollo 11. Later, the vertical tick mark would be added. I believe they were designed by the gentlemen who designed all of the LRL tools (I have his name here somewhere). It is unclear at what point the CM cubes were first employed, but I believe it was around 1975-1977 when ANSMET began collecting meteorites from Antarctica. I believe the 1 inch LRL cubes are the first cubes ever produced. Thanks for the question! Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Svend, NASA used the 1 inch cube in the Lunar Receiving Lab for photographic reference of all Apollo lunar samples. At the time, it was referred to as a 'Scale Block.' I believe this is the only time the 1 inch cube was employed anywhere in the world. In the LRL, centimeters would be referenced on the specimen 'counter' only. Here is a photo of the 1 inch cube in the LRL circa 1970: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/LRL-scaleblock.jpg The 1 inch cube was fabricated in a machine shop next to the LRL prior to Apollo 11. Later, the vertical tick mark would be added. I believe they were designed by the gentlemen who designed all of the LRL tools (I have his name here somewhere). It is unclear at what point the CM cubes were first employed, but I believe it was around 1975-1977 when ANSMET began collecting meteorites from Antarctica. I believe the 1 inch LRL cubes are the first cubes ever produced. Thanks for the question! Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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sorry, forgot the 2nd link -- thanks Mike, that's quite interesting. They must have switched their reference scale somewhere in the late seventies. There are a number of later ANSMET photos from the eighties that already show 1cm cubes. For example here with Mac Alpine Hills 88104 and MAC 88105: http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/mac88105.htm or here as early as 1981 with ALH 81005: http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/alha81005.htm Seems strange to me that they switched from inch to cm. That would make comparing of earlier and later documentation quite disturbing. Thanks for answering best regards Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de Hello Svend, NASA used the 1 inch cube in the Lunar Receiving Lab for photographic reference of all Apollo lunar samples. At the time, it was referred to as a 'Scale Block.' I believe this is the only time the 1 inch cube was employed anywhere in the world. In the LRL, centimeters would be referenced on the specimen 'counter' only. Here is a photo of the 1 inch cube in the LRL circa 1970: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/LRL-scaleblock.jpg The 1 inch cube was fabricated in a machine shop next to the LRL prior to Apollo 11. Later, the vertical tick mark would be added. I believe they were designed by the gentlemen who designed all of the LRL tools (I have his name here somewhere). It is unclear at what point the CM cubes were first employed, but I believe it was around 1975-1977 when ANSMET began collecting meteorites from Antarctica. I believe the 1 inch LRL cubes are the first cubes ever produced. Thanks for the question! Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family
Mike, the Scherff-cube is missing in your collection, was the most used meteorite-cube before the Buhl-cube. (Got blue edges with time). Best! Martin (are sugar-cubes in USA metric?) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2007 02:17 An: 'Meteorite List' Betreff: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On June 21, 2007 Paul wrote: I have to wonder if ten years from now, there will be people collecting the different types of scalecubes/centimeter cubes as people on this list are collecting meteorites. Ten years? How about five months! My Scalecube family: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/cubes.jpg From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Kudos to Drake D. for building such a great 1 inch cube! Its well worth the money and perfect for other scientific/forensic photography. What strange hobbies I have... Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Stefan is correct! It appears they used both sizes. What is strange is that the most famous rock, the Genesis Stone, is pictured with a 1 inch cube, similar to mine. I can also find Apollo 11 and Apollo 17 samples photographed with 1 inchers. I have no clue as to why they would mix up these sizes in their photography! I'll have to do some more research this week and see what I can find out. Ralph Harvey from ANSMET did tell me the Counters were 'hand-me-downs' from the Apollo program, so I imagine that is also where they got their CM cubes from. Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stefan Brandes Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 2:01 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Hi Mike, they used 1 inch cubes at: 1 inch : http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a15/ap15-S71-44990.jpg 1 inch : http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/images/browse/earth/breccia.jpg but they used 1cm cubes also : 1cm : http://www.lpi.usra.edu/expmoon/Apollo11/A11_MP.SampleDoc2FS.gif 1cm : http://www.alaska.net/~meteor/Rock79135.jpg 1cm : http://pds.jpl.nasa.gov/planets/images/browse/earth/igneous.jpg 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076007.htm 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076008.htm 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076009.htm 1cm : http://www.apolloexplorer.co.uk/photo/html/AS17/10076010.htm Stefan Hello Svend, NASA used the 1 inch cube in the Lunar Receiving Lab for photographic reference of all Apollo lunar samples. At the time, it was referred to as a 'Scale Block.' I believe this is the only time the 1 inch cube was employed anywhere in the world. In the LRL, centimeters would be referenced on the specimen 'counter' only. Here is a photo of the 1 inch cube in the LRL circa 1970: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/LRL-scaleblock.jpg The 1 inch cube was fabricated in a machine shop next to the LRL prior to Apollo 11. Later, the vertical tick mark would be added. I believe they were designed by the gentlemen who designed all of the LRL tools (I have his name here somewhere). It is unclear at what point the CM cubes were first employed, but I believe it was around 1975-1977 when ANSMET began collecting meteorites from Antarctica. I believe the 1 inch LRL cubes are the first cubes ever produced. Thanks for the question! Cheers, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi, Mike, CubeList, Now you can add one more size to the Scalecube Family: the 1/2-inch Scalecube! http://cgi.ebay.com/Scale-cubes-(1%2F2-by-1%2F2)_W0QQitemZ160176417617QQcmdZViewItem Yes, there's a new baby-12.7mm addition in the house, in black with the TBEWNS markings, with ticks. Now, we can look at the picture and wonder if the meteorite is 10 in., 5 in., or 10 cm? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On June 21, 2007 Paul wrote: I have to wonder if ten years from now, there will be people collecting the different types of scalecubes/centimeter cubes as people on this list are collecting meteorites. Ten years? How about five months! My Scalecube family: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/cubes.jpg From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Kudos to Drake D. for building such a great 1 inch cube! Its well worth the money and perfect for other scientific/forensic photography. What strange hobbies I have... Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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And to make things more confusing, I have found reference in the A15 and A16 Sample Catalogs to a 2cm (!) cube being used in some photos. Crazy! Kind regards, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:31 PM To: Meteorite List Cc: Mike Bandli Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Hi, Mike, CubeList, Now you can add one more size to the Scalecube Family: the 1/2-inch Scalecube! http://cgi.ebay.com/Scale-cubes-(1%2F2-by-1%2F2)_W0QQitemZ160176417617QQcmdZ ViewItem Yes, there's a new baby-12.7mm addition in the house, in black with the TBEWNS markings, with ticks. Now, we can look at the picture and wonder if the meteorite is 10 in., 5 in., or 10 cm? Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteorite List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On June 21, 2007 Paul wrote: I have to wonder if ten years from now, there will be people collecting the different types of scalecubes/centimeter cubes as people on this list are collecting meteorites. Ten years? How about five months! My Scalecube family: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/cubes.jpg From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Kudos to Drake D. for building such a great 1 inch cube! Its well worth the money and perfect for other scientific/forensic photography. What strange hobbies I have... Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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to a teaspoon of sugar. Domino also makes another bigger T-cube, close to twice as heavy at 4.725 grams each. This is close to the one teaspoon cube and preferred sweetening amount, but doesn't allow for those with a lesser sweet tooth.. The other US company CH and Dixie Crystals cubes there are 126 in a one pound box = 3.6 grams each. (@ 1.0 g/mL that's 1.53 cm on a side). These dimensions are estimates based on the density I am using, but I would be surprised if the length of the side were off more than 1 millimeter (7%). Finally, here's a couple of pictures of modern Tea-cube producing machines: http://www.aquarius.nl/page323.aspx http://www.suedzucker.de/images/bilder/faq/zuckersorten/glueckswuerfel.jpg Finally, any, dealers in meteorites after reading this, when illustrating their Howardites, could certainly could sweeten the deal by including these cubes with purchases. A Tea-cube is a must when scaling any Howardite, lest we should forget the man's real passion. And it is true that a T-cube was the most common scale reference right up to the Russian and NASA productions! Würfelly yours, Doug - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Mike, the Scherff-cube is missing in your collection, was the most used meteorite-cube before the Buhl-cube. (Got blue edges with time). Best! Martin (are sugar-cubes in USA metric?) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. November 2007 02:17 An: 'Meteorite List' Betreff: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family On June 21, 2007 Paul wrote: I have to wonder if ten years from now, there will be people collecting the different types of scalecubes/centimeter cubes as people on this list are collecting meteorites. Ten years? How about five months! My Scalecube family: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/cubes.jpg From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Kudos to Drake D. for building such a great 1 inch cube! Its well worth the money and perfect for other scientific/forensic photography. What strange hobbies I have... Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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for the listed wuerfel-aficionados : the instruction leaflet of the last box with zuckerwuerfel I bought yesterday informed me that in shape and weight zuckerwuerfel depend much on surrounding humidity and therefore shouldn't be used as scale cubes together with zag, for instance. should be taken into consideration in meteo(c)ritical circles. - Original Message - From: mexicodoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecube Family Dear List, Hmmm. Very meteorite related! Now for a fun post. Great history on the Scale Cube, Svend, and thanks Mike for the additional information! Given all the interest in scale cubes, I've compiled a history of the scale cube prior to the ones developed by the Russians and NASA (it is below my answer to Martin's question). There wasn't much info available on your sites about what was used before NASA, except the cube that Mike Jensen kindly posted regarding Haro's Heros. These cubes are definitely related to meteorites, more than many will probably even know. But first: Martin foreshadowed: (are sugar-cubes in USA metric?) No, they are not, unless you measure them with a centimeter ruler :-) In the US they are actually certified scale cubes. They are loosely 1/2 or 1 Tea-spoon amounts of sugar, which scale to one cup of Tea. I don't think the ones in Europe are a centimeter cubed either, for that matter, are they? That would be a real diet lite cube being just 0.8 to 1.1 grams... Now a question for you: German Zuckerwürfels aren't even cubes, are they? and how many/what dimensions are in a 500g box that sells for under what $2 ( In the US sugar cubes are one cent each.)? http://www.wopping.com/images/product/1483.jpg . Maybe at least Diamant Würfelzuckers (which have a pedigree back to Langen)? About the original scale cube. These were actually first crystallized as T Cubes or Tea Cubes, and they were literally covered in Tea that was underlied with a saucer. By Victorian times they were the de facto scale cube of choice in Europe to measure size. The material of construction was, in fact, sugar. The first application was a non-hazardous fixed aliquot of sugar for a nice cup of tea. But I am getting ahead of myself... Sugar was introduced by conquering Moroccans into Europe during the conquest of Spain in about 800 AD. Christopher Columbus had an steamy affair with Beatriz in the Canary Islands on the way to discover the Americas and delayed continuing on the maiden voyage a month so he could romantically take some of here sugarcane, which he brought to the new world with him to remember her. (Columbus was a sugar broker in Genoa.) However, for the first ~1500 years, the process to make sugar didn't lend to cube-making due to all the sticky and wasted carmel produced in the boiling kettles as syrup was concentrated. This all changed when the first prototype modern sugar cubes were reputedly invented by Edward C. Howard in 1813. Mr. Howard, an inspiration for the future Edisons of the world, invented the Howard Vacuum-Pan - the most important development in the history of sugar to the present day, from which he greatly increased his wealth by enforcing the patents. It is actually an enclosed and sealed metal vat allowing sugar syrup to be produced from plant extract by driving off the water at only 55 C (Instead ove 100+ C) under partial vacuum pressures resulting in a more uniform crystalline form easily set in moulds. This process is still used worldwide (utilizing a staged modification ca. 1830 invented by a free African-American scientist) and makes in the necessary syrup for easy and uniform granulations. T-Cube making requires a uniform granulate that is being dried, mixed with a trace amount of syrup again, and then pressed. NASA honored the T cubes by placing the letter T on top of every scale cube it produced. The young Englishman Howard, got into laying these sweet foundations after Joseph Banks, a well known meteorite collector, gave him three meteorites to analyze: Sienna (Italy, 1794, LL5), Benares (India, 1798, LL4) and the recently fallen Wold Cottage (UK, 1795, L6). Banks, a serious collector came across the Wold Cottage mass being exhibited in London along with written declarations by witnesses to the fall, and hired Howard in 1800 to see if these stones that were said to have fallen from the sky were similar, as the geology of the areas was different. Howard had just invented a potent explosive and won a medal of honor, and had an aristocratic background, so Banks thought he was the right young man for the job. The meteorite got Howard more interested in metal alloys when he studied the similar metals in them, and uniquely placed him to set the foundations of producing engineering vats and vessels that culminated with the landmark Vacuum-Pan http://home.clara.net/mawer
[meteorite-list] Scalecube Family
On June 21, 2007 Paul wrote: I have to wonder if ten years from now, there will be people collecting the different types of scalecubes/centimeter cubes as people on this list are collecting meteorites. Ten years? How about five months! My Scalecube family: http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-11/877141/cubes.jpg From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Kudos to Drake D. for building such a great 1 inch cube! Its well worth the money and perfect for other scientific/forensic photography. What strange hobbies I have... Kind regards, Mike Bandli www.Astro-Artifacts.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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On November 7, 2007 Mike wrote: From left to right: Buhl 1cm Cube, Unknown 1cm Cube, NASA 'Scale Block' 1 inch Cube, Drake 1 inch Certified Cube, Drake 1cm Cube, Drake 1cm prototype. Dear Mike, when or where did NASA use a 1 inch cube? I am quite sure all their meteorite documentation use the metric sytem with 1 cm cubes. Just curious. Svend www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- www.niger-meteorite-recon.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
