Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
Hi Doug, As far as I know, the couch was auctioned off - brought only a couple of hundred dollars (cause da Captain was sleeping). Btw. if talking about export laws we have urgently to clarify those of New Zealand, as in past I saw that even IMCA board members had commended the SchmittMcEwans paper (The law of ownership and control of meteorites, 2001) as authoritative here on the list. The information given there for New Zealand is (like for so many other countries there) incorrect. OTHER than there falsely claimed, meteorites are NOT classified in the Antiquities Act of 1975 (and 1990) as antiquity. EXPLICITELY the act gives, that meteorites belong into the category of natural objects and not to the antiques. And more important, other than you have it in that Schmitt/McEwans paper, not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, so it's given in the 1975/1990-Act - those related to New Zealand. (i.e. New Zealand falls and finds). I thought that to be important to mention, not that collectors are worried, that those meteorites Dean was shipping out of New Zealand would have needed a permit or that he would have acted illegally. The Schmitt/McEwans paper contains so many mistakes and wrong information - the disadvantage of non-peer-reviewed publications - that it can't be used in scientific publications, and I would ask therefore the list members not to refer to it any longer, neither to quote it - but rather in case, to look up the laws in case by themselves. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. November 2011 03:30 An: impact...@aol.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Perhaps no export permit was applied for or approved given so it may still be pending classification. Who classifies meteorites in NZ, didn't Dean have a service arrangement with a local University? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Impactika impact...@aol.com To: joshuatreemuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries Thank you Phil for this list. And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors, and I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question: Phil's list includes this Fall: Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland, New Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the Met. Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia, in 1905. And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia. So... an error??? 2 Ellerslie? And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Anyone knows Thanks. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: 2004 06 12Ellerslie, suburban1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm [19] Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of house and bounced off sofa __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
Little addendum, And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Anyone knows the Ellerslie stone was purchased by the Auckland War Memorial Museum at then approx. 30,000USD. http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/55/recent-acquisitions And there it still is, so maybe someone could ask the curator of the Nat.Hist.Section there, why Ellerslie hasn't made it yet into the Bulletin. Best! Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, so it's given in the 1975/1990-Act - those related to New Zealand. (i.e. New Zealand falls and finds). Hi Martin, Of course it would only strictly apply to the country's own meteorites! Not necessary to clarify, given for example all the meteorites bought and sold on eBay from Canada, Australia, etc.! But what's this about New Zealand laws, wasn't NZ just an Australian sheep farm? Oops, I just pissed off three people and twenty million sheeps. Kindest wsihes Doug It's a joke - I know New Zealand is a country somewhere in the middle of some isolated ocean far far away ;-) And for that reason must be one heaven on earth since it is mostly unspoilt, becasue people like us haven't been able to get there yet. -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 5:45 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries Hi Doug, As far as I know, the couch was auctioned off - brought only a couple of hundred dollars (cause da Captain was sleeping). Btw. if talking about export laws we have urgently to clarify those of New Zealand, as in past I saw that even IMCA board members had commended the SchmittMcEwans paper (The law of ownership and control of meteorites, 2001) as authoritative here on the list. The information given there for New Zealand is (like for so many other countries there) incorrect. OTHER than there falsely claimed, meteorites are NOT classified in the Antiquities Act of 1975 (and 1990) as antiquity. EXPLICITELY the act gives, that meteorites belong into the category of natural objects and not to the antiques. And more important, other than you have it in that Schmitt/McEwans paper, not all meteorites in general need an export permit, but only those, so it's given in the 1975/1990-Act - those related to New Zealand. (i.e. New Zealand falls and finds). I thought that to be important to mention, not that collectors are worried, that those meteorites Dean was shipping out of New Zealand would have needed a permit or that he would have acted illegally. The Schmitt/McEwans paper contains so many mistakes and wrong information - the disadvantage of non-peer-reviewed publications - that it can't be used in scientific publications, and I would ask therefore the list members not to refer to it any longer, neither to quote it - but rather in case, to look up the laws in case by themselves. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. November 2011 03:30 An: impact...@aol.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Perhaps no export permit was applied for or approved given so it may still be pending classification. Who classifies meteorites in NZ, didn't Dean have a service arrangement with a local University? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Impactika impact...@aol.com To: joshuatreemuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries Thank you Phil for this list. And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors, and I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question: Phil's list includes this Fall: Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland, New Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the Met. Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia, in 1905. And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia. So... an error??? 2 Ellerslie? And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Anyone knows Thanks. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: 2004 06 12Ellerslie, suburban1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm [19] Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of house and bounced off sofa __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
Thank you Phil for this list. And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors, and I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question: Phil's list includes this Fall: Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland, New Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the Met. Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia, in 1905. And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia. So... an error??? 2 Ellerslie? And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Anyone knows Thanks. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: 2004 06 12Ellerslie, suburban1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm [19] Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of house and bounced off sofa __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Perhaps no export permit was applied for or approved given so it may still be pending classification. Who classifies meteorites in NZ, didn't Dean have a service arrangement with a local University? Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Impactika impact...@aol.com To: joshuatreemuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 8:39 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries Thank you Phil for this list. And thank you to all of you who told me about typos and other errors, and I'll fix those ASAP. But now I have a question: Phil's list includes this Fall: Ellerslie, June 6 2004 in Auckland, New Zealand, and I remember Joel Schiff writing about it. However in the Met. Bulletin, Ellerslie is listed as an L5 found in Queensland, Australia, in 1905. And the only Fall listed for New Zealand is Mokoia. So... an error??? 2 Ellerslie? And what happened of the one that fell in New Zealand? Anyone knows Thanks. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/22/2011 10:10:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com writes: 2004 06 12Ellerslie, suburban1.3-kg (2.8-lb) 7-cm x 13-cm [19] Auckland, N.Z. meteorite broke through roof of house and bounced off sofa __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
An interesting recap: http://www.icq.eps.harvard.edu/meteorites.html Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries DATE LOCATIONREMARKS REFERENCES 1807 12 14Weston, CT, U.S.A. meteor visible half a minute, [21] loud sounds heard, many stones found scattered over 6-10 miles, weighing as much as 200 lbs. total (largest meteorite weighed 35 lbs) 1825 01 16Oriang, Malwate, man killed, woman injured in [14, 17] India meteorite fall 1827 02 16Mhow, Indiaman wounded severely in the [12, 17] arm when hit by meteorite 1836 11 11Macau, Brazil cattle killed when hit by [12, 17] shower of meteorites 1847 07 14Hauptmannsdorf,37-pound Braunau iron meteorite[12, 17] Braunau, Bohemia smashed into a room, covering three children with ceiling debris but not hurting them 1860 05 01New Concord, OH, horse struck and killed by [12, 17] USAmeteorite 1868 01 30Pultusk, Polandmeteorite shower of more than [12] 100,000 fragments 1882 02 03Mocs, Romania meteorite shower of thousands [12] of fragments 1890 05 02Forest City, IA, USA meteorite shower of some 2000 [12] fragments; one fragment fell into a pile of hay (no fire) 1907 09 05Hsin-p-ai Wei, meteorite caused a house to [1] Weng-li, China collapse, killing a family; evidently no evidence 1908 06 30Tunguska, Siberia apparent airblast (no recovered [15] meteorites) of an object entering earth's atmosphere; leveled hundreds of square miles of forest, killing two men and hundreds of reindeer 1911 06 28Nakhla, Egypt dog struck and killed by [12, 17] meteorite (part of meteorite shower) 1912 07 19Holbrook, AZ, USA meteorite shower of more than [12, 13] 14000 fragments; meteorite fell a few meters from a person; largest fragment 9 pounds 1915 04 25Ta-yang, east of meteorite tore off a woman's [1] Mai-po, China arm; several meteorites, ranging from about 2 to about 3.5 kg 1924 07 06Johnstown, CO, USA meteorites fell within a few feet [13] of two men; 50-pound stone went 5 feet into wet soil 1927 04 28Aba-mura, Inashiki-young girl suffered two head [16] gun, Ibaragi-ken, injuries when struck by a Japan stony meteorite 1932 08 10Archie, MO, USAmeteorite fell less than 1 m [12, 13] from person 1938 06 16Pantar, Philippinesseveral buildings hit by meteorites [12] 1938 06 24Chicora, PA, USA cow's hide injured, presumably by [17] a fragment belonging to the meteorite shower in that area on that day 1938 09 29Benld, IL, USA building and car hit by stony [12, 13] meteorites; the car was hit by a 4-pound fragment after it crashed through the roof of a garage, then through roof, seat, and floorboards of car 1947 02 12Sikhote-Alin, south- largest meteorite shower on [2] eastern Siberiarecord; estimated 100 tons of total debris fell, the largest weighing 1745 kg; some 9000 fragments weighing about 28 tons recovered; largest crater 28 m wide 1950 09 20Murray, KY, USAfive buildings hit by meteorites [12] 1950 12 10St.
