Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks
Hi Sarah, Glad to see you made it back okay. A similar event happened to my wife and I a few years ago as we were approaching Claxton, GA. It's a nerve rattling feeling. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com Walter Branch, Ph.D. Branch Meteorites PO Box 60492 Savannah, GA 31420 - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks Hello list, Life is not what it should be in the PayPal world, but that also applies to vacations and state parks. For those of you going West for vacation fun, as I usually do, the road can be hazardous. I had always wanted to visit Mt. St. Helens and so my kids and I decided to make a vacation out of it. We went up to see the crater at an observation point, then decided to helicopter into the crater to take a closer look. This is REALLY cool. There is actually a small waterfall in the crater. The helicopter guide pointed out some interesting features of the area. Alot of it was definitely more interesting from the air. Then I decided to take a back road from exit 504 headed to Yakima, Washington. So we get on the back side of Mt. St. Helens headed to Spirit Lake. Beautiful, luxurious overgrowth, small waterfalls, semi-pristine appearing land. This was about 7 o'clock at night, still had a 3 hour drive ahead. Still wanted to see the back side, though, having driven all the way from Wisconsin to see it all. Out of nowhere comes this conversion van with headlights on trying to touch my bumper, two big guys driving it. I hit the gas and again it does the same thing. Again and again I hit the gas. They never touch my bumper but try to get me to stop. In karate they teach you that your vehicle can be your weapon, if you do not have others. You never stop or put yourself in position to stop. I took the center of the road where they could not get along side of me. It finally dawned on me that car-jacking is real popular along the west coast and they wanted my Suburban. Fortunately it is a modern Suburban, but it also had modifications that made it faster then regular Suburbans. We were doing hairpin turns from 50-80 in a State Park. No one else on the road. Weird- No, planned on their part. In areas when we had roaming ability from our cell phone, they seemed to back off, but in void areas they were persistent. Later I found out from researching the web that there are at least 700 people that are missing in Washington state alone, and 100 unidentified bodies. According to many sources drugs are being grown on state park land, and hiking in beautiful places may not be so cool. They chased me all the way down the mountain and obviously never got me. I highly recommend fast driving skills through many parts of America, unfortunately. I was glad my teenage son was not driving. (He even admits that) Something like this makes a vacation a NOT vacation. I was glad to get home. The object of this post is like paypal, even meteorites, sometimes, things are not as simple as they should be. Trust your instincts. Even resorts may not be resorts. And where is a policeman (or state park trooper) when you need one? Best, Sarah Jensan Scientifics/ Science Mall --- Charles R. Viau wrote: The thing to remember about messages from PayPal, is that they rarely ever send you unsolicited mail, and if they do, there is never a link in the message that invokes a login to the site. If you do ever get a message from them requesting information from you, just examine the mail header (in Outlook, just right-click on the message in the inbox folder and select options). Look at the received: line information and you can see if the sender was original, or faked. The real Domain name and the IP address of the actual sender will show up linked to any phony or forged sender address. Also, never go into PayPal in your browser, unless the URL starts with https// (not http//) like in: https://www.paypal.com...; It is almost impossible for hackers like this to be able to use SSL to authenticate their bogus web sites. You can prove this by first making sure you disable Active-x and Java scripting in your browser, then attempt to invoke the bogus PayPal link. The address box in the top of the browser will show http://;, and the rest of the URL may start with something like playpal.com followed by a bunch of directory entries that wind up pointing you to a bogus ASP script that will suck up your password. (you have disabled scripting, so the page will not show up the way it normally would). CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:07 AM To: Matson, Robert
Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks
Hello List, AL wrote; You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most idiots to back off!! In today's world, you have to decide, would you rather your family die or them. Sarah did the right thing, but you have to even the odds. I will not go anywhere with my family without my firearm! But, I am one of the lucky ones, I live in Arizona, where they care more about there law abiding citizens than there outlaws! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks Ahhh Sarah and all, You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if they were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons. Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you more experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that. Had something similar like that happen to me one time. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks
Ahhh Sarah and all, You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if they were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons. Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you more experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that. Had something similar like that happen to me one time. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks
Thanks Al. The kind I recognized them to be - they use knives. Its quiet. They did get close enough to guess their nationality. One additional comment...:) Sarah -- almitt wrote: Ahhh Sarah and all, You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if they were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons. Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you more experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that. Had something similar like that happen to me one time. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks
Hi again, Many of you have responded by saying one needs to have firearm backup in such cases as carjacking, but it is important to remember in the intracies of things that you should not use anything like that until you know you are completely at risk. To law enforcement officials you do not want to look like the perpetrator. And never take official action on your own behalf until it is clear you have no other recourse. That is all I have to say. Think safe. Don't panic until it is time too. Be careful of areas that might be dangerous. Meteorites and exploring can still be a great sport. You should absolutely get self defense training if you do high risk things. Sarah --- Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall wrote: Thanks Al. The kind I recognized them to be - they use knives. Its quiet. They did get close enough to guess their nationality. One additional comment...:) Sarah -- almitt wrote: Ahhh Sarah and all, You needed Mr. Smith and Wesson. One shot through the windshield usually gets most idiots to back off!! Of course they might have been armed as well but I think if they were they would have used that option. It is a dangerous area for a lot of reasons. Glad you made it back safe and I wouldn't loose sleep over it as it now makes you more experienced and better equipped to handle future events like that. Had something similar like that happen to me one time. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Spoof warning Additional, State Parks
Hello list, Life is not what it should be in the PayPal world, but that also applies to vacations and state parks. For those of you going West for vacation fun, as I usually do, the road can be hazardous. I had always wanted to visit Mt. St. Helens and so my kids and I decided to make a vacation out of it. We went up to see the crater at an observation point, then decided to helicopter into the crater to take a closer look. This is REALLY cool. There is actually a small waterfall in the crater. The helicopter guide pointed out some interesting features of the area. Alot of it was definitely more interesting from the air. Then I decided to take a back road from exit 504 headed to Yakima, Washington. So we get on the back side of Mt. St. Helens headed to Spirit Lake. Beautiful, luxurious overgrowth, small waterfalls, semi-pristine appearing land. This was about 7 o'clock at night, still had a 3 hour drive ahead. Still wanted to see the back side, though, having driven all the way from Wisconsin to see it all. Out of nowhere comes this conversion van with headlights on trying to touch my bumper, two big guys driving it. I hit the gas and again it does the same thing. Again and again I hit the gas. They never touch my bumper but try to get me to stop. In karate they teach you that your vehicle can be your weapon, if you do not have others. You never stop or put yourself in position to stop. I took the center of the road where they could not get along side of me. It finally dawned on me that car-jacking is real popular along the west coast and they wanted my Suburban. Fortunately it is a modern Suburban, but it also had modifications that made it faster then regular Suburbans. We were doing hairpin turns from 50-80 in a State Park. No one else on the road. Weird- No, planned on their part. In areas when we had roaming ability from our cell phone, they seemed to back off, but in void areas they were persistent. Later I found out from researching the web that there are at least 700 people that are missing in Washington state alone, and 100 unidentified bodies. According to many sources drugs are being grown on state park land, and hiking in beautiful places may not be so cool. They chased me all the way down the mountain and obviously never got me. I highly recommend fast driving skills through many parts of America, unfortunately. I was glad my teenage son was not driving. (He even admits that) Something like this makes a vacation a NOT vacation. I was glad to get home. The object of this post is like paypal, even meteorites, sometimes, things are not as simple as they should be. Trust your instincts. Even resorts may not be resorts. And where is a policeman (or state park trooper) when you need one? Best, Sarah Jensan Scientifics/ Science Mall --- Charles R. Viau wrote: The thing to remember about messages from PayPal, is that they rarely ever send you unsolicited mail, and if they do, there is never a link in the message that invokes a login to the site. If you do ever get a message from them requesting information from you, just examine the mail header (in Outlook, just right-click on the message in the inbox folder and select options). Look at the received: line information and you can see if the sender was original, or faked. The real Domain name and the IP address of the actual sender will show up linked to any phony or forged sender address. Also, never go into PayPal in your browser, unless the URL starts with https// (not http//) like in: https://www.paypal.com...; It is almost impossible for hackers like this to be able to use SSL to authenticate their bogus web sites. You can prove this by first making sure you disable Active-x and Java scripting in your browser, then attempt to invoke the bogus PayPal link. The address box in the top of the browser will show http://;, and the rest of the URL may start with something like playpal.com followed by a bunch of directory entries that wind up pointing you to a bogus ASP script that will suck up your password. (you have disabled scripting, so the page will not show up the way it normally would). CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 2:07 AM To: Matson, Robert; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: PayPal spoof warning This has been going around for some time. I never let money pile up in my account. I had my card number stolen in Brazil, and they got me for $800 in just a few minutes. It was refunded, but remember, PAYPAL is a cash account, debit, so money can be stolen from it, that is what these scumbags are doing. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: PayPal spoof warning Hi All, I
