[meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
Hello all, Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a colt (or horse), I cringe. Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that a dog was killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone. In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the New Concord fall. All these were published shortly after the fall and not one mentions any animal being killed. The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith, professors E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the fall, and who wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse or animal being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large root, and others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence. It was mentioned thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S HEAD. The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine eliminator is Prior and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953. The first catalogue (1923) makes no mention of this incident. So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the Fall. To those who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the original reference. All the best, Frank - Original Message From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 1:05:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as informative As the best of the bunch: REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES: Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side, the photo of which is famous, there have been other documented Hammers which nailed living critters: (NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical references nor the Roman report of a legion being killed) 1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt. 1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted, left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an area of eight hundred square miles. 1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was false. However, in a series of heated debates on The List, Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own, presenting credible arguments that left at least a crack of doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue. (These rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of Meteorite Central). 1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes, owns the original, signed and notarized papers on this one). 1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had been considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree before striking the boy: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg 2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death taking place at the time of the impact. 2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama. ADDENDUM: 5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite? 2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by Sonny Clary's dog, Brix Best wishes, Michael On 11/19/11 6:25 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: A few answers below. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ In a message dated 11/19/2011 6:46:16 PM Mountain Standard Time, mrmeteor...@gmail.com writes: Hi all, I know there are a lot of people on this forum that know meteorite statistics way better than I do. So I thought I'd ask for a little help. In a week or two I'll be doing an interview for a brand new TV Show about stats - my episode will obviously be about meteorite statistics. With any luck these questions will go to a scientist (and not me) and I can just concentrate on the hunting aspect - which is why I'll really be there. Here are a few basic questions that I should probably know. But I'm not sure if I do. So, if you're feeling like helping - send me an email with the correct answers. 1. Q. How many meteorites hit the ground per year? A. On average about 1 per square mile per thousand years. About 20,000 to 40,000 per year. Are you looking at the planet or ground only? 2/3 of the planet is water. I think I'll let rob Matson or Sterling answer that one. 2. Q. Has anyone ever been hit by a meteorite? A. I only know of Ann Hodges -
[meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
I went to visit and take photos of the Main Mass of New Concord which is housed a the Marietta College in Marietta, OH. http://www.catchafallingstar.com/newconcord.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
Hi Frank and all, This is one that I have wanted to chase down. Need to look at what Farrington had to say on the fall. Thought I would go over to the area sometime and do a search at the libraries in the area and try to get some definitive proof (if there is proof in a newspaper article) on the account. I've certainly sold enough New Concord that it would be nice to know one way or the other. In my information cards I list a colt being killed and not sure at this time what source of information it came from but the information comes from about two decades back and probably from my own collection piece. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net: Hello all, Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a colt (or horse), I cringe. Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that a dog was killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone. In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the New Concord fall. All these were published shortly after the fall and not one mentions any animal being killed. The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith, professors E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the fall, and who wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse or animal being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large root, and others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence. It was mentioned thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S HEAD. The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine eliminator is Prior and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953. The first catalogue (1923) makes no mention of this incident. So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the Fall. To those who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the original reference. All the best, Frank - Original Message From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 1:05:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as informative As the best of the bunch: REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES: Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side, the photo of which is famous, there have been other documented Hammers which nailed living critters: (NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical references nor the Roman report of a legion being killed) 1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt. 1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted, left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an area of eight hundred square miles. 1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was false. However, in a series of heated debates on The List, Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own, presenting credible arguments that left at least a crack of doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue. (These rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of Meteorite Central). 1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes, owns the original, signed and notarized papers on this one). 1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had been considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree before striking the boy: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg 2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death taking place at the time of the impact. 2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama. ADDENDUM: 5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite? 2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by Sonny Clary's dog, Brix Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
See: Buddhue, J.D., Meteoritics, 1, 389 Spratt, C.E., 1991, JRASC, 85, 263-280 And references therein. Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
I found references dating back to 1951 and 1952 concerning the New Concord and the killing of a horse.. [17] LaPaz (1951), Pop. Astron. 59, 433 1. Galaxy magazine: Volume 4, Issues 1-6 books.google.com1952 - Snippet view lbs. fell into a room with three sleeping children, covered them with debris without doing other harm 1860, May 1, 12:45 PM: colt killedat New Concord, Ohio J870, January 23, 7:00 PM: a man was very narrowly missed by a meteoriteat ... 1. Contributions: Volume 5, Issue 1 books.google.comMeteoritical Society- 1951 - Snippet view 1860May 1, 12:45 pm A stone of the recognized New Concord, Ohio, shower killeda colt. (JC Steele) 11. 1870 Jan. 23, 7:00 pm The recognized Nedagolla, India, meteoritestruck so close to a man that he was stunned. (GH Saxton) 12. ... Add to My Library▼ This would make this suggested horse killing 60 years in the making. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay story http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord Chris Spratt cspratt at islandnet.com Mon Nov 21 18:14:34 EST 2011 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] See: Buddhue, J.D., Meteoritics, 1, 389 Spratt, C.E., 1991, JRASC, 85, 263-280 And references therein. Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
Yes, at the time it was stored out of sight. I asked to see it and it was no problem. I made some donations to their small collection. It is a very nice small campus and there is a prehistoric mound in Marietta too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_Cemetery_(Marietta,_Ohio) Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:22:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord Hi Jim and List, That is awesome. Thanks for sharing those photos! Did you get to touch or hold the mass? Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone - On 11/21/11, Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net wrote: I went to visit and take photos of the Main Mass of New Concord which is housed a the Marietta College in Marietta, OH. http://www.catchafallingstar.com/newconcord.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
Hi Frank and all, This is one that I have wanted to chase down. Need to look at what Farrington had to say on the fall. Thought I would go over to the area sometime and do a search at the libaries in the area and try to get some definitive proof (if there is proof in a newspaper article) on the account. I've certainly sold enough New Concord that it would be nice to know one way or the other. In my information cards I list a colt being killed and not sure at this time what source of information it came from but the information comes from about two decades back and probably from my own collection piece. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites - Original Message - From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord Hello all, Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a colt (or horse), I cringe. Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that a dog was killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone. In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the New Concord fall. All these were published shortly after the fall and not one mentions any animal being killed. The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith, professors E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the fall, and who wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse or animal being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large root, and others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence. It was mentioned thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S HEAD. The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine eliminator is Prior and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953. The first catalogue (1923) makes no mention of this incident. So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the Fall. To those who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the original reference. All the best, Frank - Original Message From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 1:05:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as informative As the best of the bunch: REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES: Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side, the photo of which is famous, there have been other documented Hammers which nailed living critters: (NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical references nor the Roman report of a legion being killed) 1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt. 1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted, left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an area of eight hundred square miles. 1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was false. However, in a series of heated debates on The List, Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own, presenting credible arguments that left at least a crack of doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue. (These rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of Meteorite Central). 1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes, owns the original, signed and notarized papers on this one). 1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had been considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree before striking the boy: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg 2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death taking place at the time of the impact. 2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama. ADDENDUM: 5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite? 2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by Sonny Clary's dog, Brix Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
