[meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
Since you made so many statements about the article link I had posted. Let me point out a couple of things. I don't know what large is to them... However, I do know this, that in 2003 what might be the largest meteorite to be recovered on Indian soil came from this area. Secondly, it would seem one of these beauties found in 2003, big or not in our eyes, is from a rare primitive carbonaceous chondrites group. Making it a very special interest. Thanks for telling me the area is wow like the size of TX, but narrow that down to the western part and then I think you might really be telling me something worth while. LOL How big is the western part of frigging TX? Does anyone else know of ANY area with 10 falls in the past 10 years? Like as in happening now, a current event that is occurring in an area smaller than the size of western TX or even the same size cuz July ain't over. The meteorites fall from April to July. So I think is is safe to say its an annual event. Now that is consistent! I mean if you bleed out your ears every year for 10 yrs during the months of April-July wouldn't you think that is consistent? Shit call this indian/hillbilly stupid, but I will say yes. Are you saying that because they do not know the origins of the falls, that you yourself do? Enlighten me please! I mean we all know the basics of meteorites and so do they, but they are wanting to know which meteorite has left this trail or if ifs more than one. The article may have been poorly written. I agree. However, it was not posted for that reason. It was posted because you never know who will be where or when from this list. The information might not mean shit to you. However, I myself found it worthwhile in the fact that this is exactly the type of area that might be worth keeping our eyes on if the activity continues. Even if you or I never hunt that area there may be others on this list that will, do, or have. That is why I posted the link. I know everyone here on the list will want to shoot me for asking, but good God gravy what is with the #1 under your name? Sincerely, Dana Hawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
Hi Susan and list, I am sure this is not the exact same link but it is on the same story from the same newspaper site in India it's pretty close to the original. It came out the following day to the actual original. Its not like it was a scientific journal and perhaps English is a second language to the writer. Jeez! Some of ya'll on this list set your expectations of others wa too high. I would like to see Steve write an article on an American fall in their language and see if it meets their standards. Ha ha ha just kidding, but ya'll get my point. http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=50369 Also just to let everyone know I am not sorry for my for being myself. Where I come from shit is not a curse word. I told Dirk Ross sorry if I offended him and would like to say sorry to anyone else on the list if I truly offended them. Sorry. And thanks for the info Susan. I am so cracking up here cuz' I thought it was Chicago Steve. ha ha ha Thought the vacation had gone straight to his head! Surely, their middle initials are different! I can see where this would cause a lot of problems for one Steve or the other. Dana Hawn Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
On Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:59:29 -0700 (PDT), Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for telling me the area is wow like the size of TX, but narrow that down to the western part and then I think you might really be telling me something worth while. LOL How big is the western part of frigging TX? Does anyone else know of ANY area with 10 falls 1.) Don't take his comments so personally-- YOU didn't write the article. 2.) Even if he WAS intending to berate the person who posted the article, the copy he replied to was the copy that I posted (which was before the copy that you posted, but your copy was before the copy that Ron Blaake posted) 3.) Even if he WAS replying to the copy that YOU posted, there is no reason for you to think that he was addressing the message at you and you alone. FWIW, I thought at the time that the article was riddled with holes big enough to drive something rather large yet drivable (possibly but exclusive to that crawler that moves the shuttle to the launch pad) through, but thought it interesting enough to post. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
Hello Dawn, Steve #2 (see below) list, I was going to respond to your email point by point, like I did the article that was posted, but that probably wouldn't be so nice. And I am a very nice person. In fact, if you are in Tucson this next February, I would like to invite you to a little birthday party a friend of mine and I are throwing. It's no big deal, it's just a couple of us that like to get together around a table and talk rocks over cake. But to show how nice I am, you would be invited to pull up a chair with us and chat. Let me point out that over time, you will see MASSIVE mistakes in the media when it comes to meteorites. I am sure they mess up most all of their other stories on other topics, only I am not smart enough to know about every thing else in the world. But I have picked up a few established facts on meteorites over the years (thanks to Richard Norton, Bernd, David Wier and a couple thousand hours out in the field chasing these crazy rocks). My experience is that reporters more often than not, cannot write a story without some facts being wrong. The one event that really made me realize this was the West Texas fall in Monahans in 1998. Over and over again the media got simple facts like The fire chief confiscated the meteorite from the boys... Where the simple fact was that it was the Police Chief that confiscated the meteorite from the boys. In that case, the reporters got these facts right: 1. That it was some type of chief that did the confiscating 2. That they were boys 3. That it was indeed a meteorite But they got what TYPE of chief, wrong. An honest mistake you might say, but it is horrible. While in one topic they were right 75%, the 25% they got wrong is still a FACT (and very easy one to verify). It wouldn't be so bad, but most people would like to get news that is a little better than 75% right. Besides, if it weren't for the fact that there was TV footage of the boys holding the meteorite, then the editors might have not caught the potential errors that reporters first said it was 6 little girls that found a geode in Houston, New Mexico, and the area Indian Chief took it from them. (Just joking! You either gotta laugh or cry with some of this.) And the fire/police chief fact was just one of MANY in that case that was at least a little off base. My favorite mistake is when a paper in Jonesboro Arkansas called me a scientist in their front page title of a story. I have become so skeptical of ANY facts that the media puts out because they are so bad at getting even the simple stuff right. Did 9/11 really happen? Well I think so, not because I believe the reporters, but because I my friend Geoff Notkin took some great pictures from the Jersey shore that day, NOT because a reporter wrote about something about it. It got to the point that I would not consent to an interview for a newspaper article, without first getting agreement that I could proof read the text of the story before it went to print. Not to censor the story, but to help the poor souls from botching up the story too bad. I used to think Editors were paid to do that. Let me say two things: First: I am not the numbers guy here, but I feel pretty safe that western Texas does get MORE than one meteorite fall per year. And if you would populate western Texas with as many people as India has, you should easily get 10 recovered in each decade. Would anyone out there like to play with the numbers and report back here? Second, I do have a middle initial, it is K but someone called me The First Steve Arnold once, not because I was born first, but because I was in the meteorite community first, and thus the #1 was mentioned. I suppose I could always use Arkansas after my name, but to be honest, it just isn't as insulting to Steve Arnold #2 (Chicago), when I use Arkansas. :-) (Don't get me wrong, Steve #2 is my friend, so I like to tease him. Besides, I WAS here first!) Oh, and to prove I am really nice, I will let you sit beside #2 during the whole duration of our little birthday bash, as we like to call it in Tucson. NOTE TO STEVE #2 - OK #2, if Dawn takes me up on this invite, I guess you can come to the party this year, just don't tell anyone else that you are coming or there might just be the 4 of us at the table again this year. And #2, don't think that this 2006 invitation automatically earns you an invite for 2007! Depending on how you act at this party (specifically not spoiling the carpet again) will be taken into consideration if you get invited to come back again. Sincerely, Steve #1 Since you made so many statements about the article link I had posted. Let me point out a couple of things. I don't know what large is to them... However, I do know this, that in 2003 what might be the largest meteorite to be recovered on Indian soil came from this area. Secondly, it would seem one of these beauties
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
Hi Dana, I kinda missed Steve's post but as to the #1, there is a second Steve Arnold on the List. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 Since you made so many statements about the article link I had posted. Let me point out a couple of things. I don't know what large is to them... However, I do know this, that in 2003 what might be the largest meteorite to be recovered on Indian soil came from this area. Secondly, it would seem one of these beauties found in 2003, big or not in our eyes, is from a rare primitive carbonaceous chondrites group. Making it a very special interest. Thanks for telling me the area is wow like the size of TX, but narrow that down to the western part and then I think you might really be telling me something worth while. LOL How big is the western part of frigging TX? Does anyone else know of ANY area with 10 falls in the past 10 years? Like as in happening now, a current event that is occurring in an area smaller than the size of western TX or even the same size cuz July ain't over. The meteorites fall from April to July. So I think is is safe to say its an annual event. Now that is consistent! I mean if you bleed out your ears every year for 10 yrs during the months of April-July wouldn't you think that is consistent? Shit call this indian/hillbilly stupid, but I will say yes. Are you saying that because they do not know the origins of the falls, that you yourself do? Enlighten me please! I mean we all know the basics of meteorites and so do they, but they are wanting to know which meteorite has left this trail or if ifs more than one. The article may have been poorly written. I agree. However, it was not posted for that reason. It was posted because you never know who will be where or when from this list. The information might not mean shit to you. However, I myself found it worthwhile in the fact that this is exactly the type of area that might be worth keeping our eyes on if the activity continues. Even if you or I never hunt that area there may be others on this list that will, do, or have. That is why I posted the link. I know everyone here on the list will want to shoot me for asking, but good God gravy what is with the #1 under your name? Sincerely, Dana Hawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
Hey list, I was going to wait a little longer and let that last post of mine soak in a little more before following up, but I am going to be out of the house for much of this evening, and I was a little concerned it might start to smell too bad unless I cleaned it up first. Sometimes I forget that this is a serious scientific list, and that some people here might not understand or appreciate strange Arkansas humor (also now known as #1 and #2 humor). So... No, #2 did NOT really do #1 on the floor at our party. While some have accused me, #1, of being full of #2, I am confident that this last post proves them right. I wrote all that last post to make my original point: if it were 75% factually correct, which I am sure (even with the typos) it was more than 75% correct, it still paints a very inaccurate picture of what really happened that night at our party. Such is the case with all too many of the meteorite stories we all see out there in the professional media, because you do expect the media to be right nearly all of the time, and at worst just a little biased. Then their so called corrections get buried in small print on page #29D (if a meteorite article was ever corrected at all). At least here on the list our follow up, comments and corrections get the same exposure as the original mistakes. Anyway, I appreciate Mr. Arnold #2 of Chicago being a good sport about this once again, and for you all bearing with a topic that did seem to go off topic, if not at least off colored. You gotta love this place! Long live the meteorite list. Steve Arnold The First (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
Steve Arnold The First wrote; (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) Well I can assure you it tastes better than # 2 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Hey list, I was going to wait a little longer and let that last post of mine soak in a little more before following up, but I am going to be out of the house for much of this evening, and I was a little concerned it might start to smell too bad unless I cleaned it up first. Sometimes I forget that this is a serious scientific list, and that some people here might not understand or appreciate strange Arkansas humor (also now known as #1 and #2 humor). So... No, #2 did NOT really do #1 on the floor at our party. While some have accused me, #1, of being full of #2, I am confident that this last post proves them right. I wrote all that last post to make my original point: if it were 75% factually correct, which I am sure (even with the typos) it was more than 75% correct, it still paints a very inaccurate picture of what really happened that night at our party. Such is the case with all too many of the meteorite stories we all see out there in the professional media, because you do expect the media to be right nearly all of the time, and at worst just a little biased. Then their so called corrections get buried in small print on page #29D (if a meteorite article was ever corrected at all). At least here on the list our follow up, comments and corrections get the same exposure as the original mistakes. Anyway, I appreciate Mr. Arnold #2 of Chicago being a good sport about this once again, and for you all bearing with a topic that did seem to go off topic, if not at least off colored. You gotta love this place! Long live the meteorite list. Steve Arnold The First (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 7/13/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
Can we stop this idiotic thread? This has nothing to do with anything. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Steve Arnold The First wrote; (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) Well I can assure you it tastes better than # 2 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 4:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Hey list, I was going to wait a little longer and let that last post of mine soak in a little more before following up, but I am going to be out of the house for much of this evening, and I was a little concerned it might start to smell too bad unless I cleaned it up first. Sometimes I forget that this is a serious scientific list, and that some people here might not understand or appreciate strange Arkansas humor (also now known as #1 and #2 humor). So... No, #2 did NOT really do #1 on the floor at our party. While some have accused me, #1, of being full of #2, I am confident that this last post proves them right. I wrote all that last post to make my original point: if it were 75% factually correct, which I am sure (even with the typos) it was more than 75% correct, it still paints a very inaccurate picture of what really happened that night at our party. Such is the case with all too many of the meteorite stories we all see out there in the professional media, because you do expect the media to be right nearly all of the time, and at worst just a little biased. Then their so called corrections get buried in small print on page #29D (if a meteorite article was ever corrected at all). At least here on the list our follow up, comments and corrections get the same exposure as the original mistakes. Anyway, I appreciate Mr. Arnold #2 of Chicago being a good sport about this once again, and for you all bearing with a topic that did seem to go off topic, if not at least off colored. You gotta love this place! Long live the meteorite list. Steve Arnold The First (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.14/48 - Release Date: 7/13/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
i am so glad to hear this. susan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Hey list, I was going to wait a little longer and let that last post of mine soak in a little more before following up, but I am going to be out of the house for much of this evening, and I was a little concerned it might start to smell too bad unless I cleaned it up first. Sometimes I forget that this is a serious scientific list, and that some people here might not understand or appreciate strange Arkansas humor (also now known as #1 and #2 humor). So... No, #2 did NOT really do #1 on the floor at our party. While some have accused me, #1, of being full of #2, I am confident that this last post proves them right. I wrote all that last post to make my original point: if it were 75% factually correct, which I am sure (even with the typos) it was more than 75% correct, it still paints a very inaccurate picture of what really happened that night at our party. Such is the case with all too many of the meteorite stories we all see out there in the professional media, because you do expect the media to be right nearly all of the time, and at worst just a little biased. Then their so called corrections get buried in small print on page #29D (if a meteorite article was ever corrected at all). At least here on the list our follow up, comments and corrections get the same exposure as the original mistakes. Anyway, I appreciate Mr. Arnold #2 of Chicago being a good sport about this once again, and for you all bearing with a topic that did seem to go off topic, if not at least off colored. You gotta love this place! Long live the meteorite list. Steve Arnold The First (I am not sure I like that term #1 anymore, it kind of is leaving a strange taste in my mouth all of a sudden...) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
Steve, I enjoyed your story and you made your point well. You also made your point about how newspapers always mis-spell names as you did with mine - Wier instead of Weir. BTW I still regard the Honolulu night as one of my all time best times. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1
...and the #2 is a long, long way's behind the #1! Try following the complete library of Ssteve Arnold #2's critically inputted archives. Dave F. Dawn Gerald Flaherty wrote: Hi Dana, I kinda missed Steve's post but as to the #1, there is a second Steve Arnold on the List. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:59 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 Since you made so many statements about the article link I had posted. Let me point out a couple of things. I don't know what large is to them... However, I do know this, that in 2003 what might be the largest meteorite to be recovered on Indian soil came from this area. Secondly, it would seem one of these beauties found in 2003, big or not in our eyes, is from a rare primitive carbonaceous chondrites group. Making it a very special interest. Thanks for telling me the area is wow like the size of TX, but narrow that down to the western part and then I think you might really be telling me something worth while. LOL How big is the western part of frigging TX? Does anyone else know of ANY area with 10 falls in the past 10 years? Like as in happening now, a current event that is occurring in an area smaller than the size of western TX or even the same size cuz July ain't over. The meteorites fall from April to July. So I think is is safe to say its an annual event. Now that is consistent! I mean if you bleed out your ears every year for 10 yrs during the months of April-July wouldn't you think that is consistent? Shit call this indian/hillbilly stupid, but I will say yes. Are you saying that because they do not know the origins of the falls, that you yourself do? Enlighten me please! I mean we all know the basics of meteorites and so do they, but they are wanting to know which meteorite has left this trail or if ifs more than one. The article may have been poorly written. I agree. However, it was not posted for that reason. It was posted because you never know who will be where or when from this list. The information might not mean shit to you. However, I myself found it worthwhile in the fact that this is exactly the type of area that might be worth keeping our eyes on if the activity continues. Even if you or I never hunt that area there may be others on this list that will, do, or have. That is why I posted the link. I know everyone here on the list will want to shoot me for asking, but good God gravy what is with the #1 under your name? Sincerely, Dana Hawn __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2???
I still regard the Honolulu night as one of my all time best times hummm. I think I need to start reading these posts a little more closely from now on. -Walter - - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold #1 full of #2??? Steve, I enjoyed your story and you made your point well. You also made your point about how newspapers always mis-spell names as you did with mine - Wier instead of Weir. BTW I still regard the Honolulu night as one of my all time best times. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
