Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Michael, I bet Walter has been familiarized with the rules by now. Are you an official moderator? I know someone is bouncing my posts. I can't say that I blame that authority. Walter did go on way too much about the feedback thing. Now he seems to be focusing on the most important subject at hand, meteorites. Sounds like you're trying to start another witch hunt and as usual you are acting contrary to the rules that you keep reminding us of. Bill -- Original message -- From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 6/30/06 3:39 PM, Walter L. Newton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I would imagine this list exists for the purpose of LEARNING about the subject of meteorites... Dear Walter, David and all, I must confess I find it fascinating that some people actually seam to hold a belief that they know the purpose of the list. The list was sponsored by Art, is hosted by Art and has always been a forum for people interested in meteorites to communicate with one another regarding that interest. That means ANYTHING related to meteorites is a go with the only exceptions being outlined in the list rules. The only restrictions for this list are 1 - the topic must be related (in some way) to meteorites, collecting, buying, selling, finding and/or studying them, etc. 2 - discussions must not violate list rules. There are plenty of threads that pop up on this list that hold NO interest to me - that is inevitable. While it is even acceptable to be critical of threads, I would hope we could all constrain ourselves from declaring for what purpose the list exists. That was decided upon its inception. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
on 6/30/06 3:39 PM, Walter L. Newton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I would imagine this list exists for the purpose of LEARNING about the subject of meteorites... Dear Walter, David and all, I must confess I find it fascinating that some people actually seam to hold a belief that they know the purpose of the list. The list was sponsored by Art, is hosted by Art and has always been a forum for people interested in meteorites to communicate with one another regarding that interest. That means ANYTHING related to meteorites is a go with the only exceptions being outlined in the list rules. The only restrictions for this list are 1 - the topic must be related (in some way) to meteorites, collecting, buying, selling, finding and/or studying them, etc. 2 - discussions must not violate list rules. There are plenty of threads that pop up on this list that hold NO interest to me - that is inevitable. While it is even acceptable to be critical of threads, I would hope we could all constrain ourselves from declaring for what purpose the list exists. That was decided upon its inception. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Michael, It is also easy for me to automatically relegate those specific List members' posts to my trash file once I understand that their purpose for being on this List does not fit into that realm of desirable purposes which I find to be worth my time to read. Personally, this action is becoming increasingly more important to my remaining on this List. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Isn't study the preface to learning? Didn't Walter address the study issue by highlighting it? How can anyone disagree with learning about those objects which we study, collect, buy and sell? Must we include all the reasons we find pleasure in the list each time we compliment one of its aspects? Oh me Oh my Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Walter L. Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose on 6/30/06 3:39 PM, Walter L. Newton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I would imagine this list exists for the purpose of LEARNING about the subject of meteorites... Dear Walter, David and all, I must confess I find it fascinating that some people actually seam to hold a belief that they know the purpose of the list. The list was sponsored by Art, is hosted by Art and has always been a forum for people interested in meteorites to communicate with one another regarding that interest. That means ANYTHING related to meteorites is a go with the only exceptions being outlined in the list rules. The only restrictions for this list are 1 - the topic must be related (in some way) to meteorites, collecting, buying, selling, finding and/or studying them, etc. 2 - discussions must not violate list rules. There are plenty of threads that pop up on this list that hold NO interest to me - that is inevitable. While it is even acceptable to be critical of threads, I would hope we could all constrain ourselves from declaring for what purpose the list exists. That was decided upon its inception. Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose the interior
It's almost holiday, list folk. I'll be good today and actually ask a meteorite question instead of playing devil's advocate about feedback and dealers. You see a lot of ads for uncut NWA's in bulk lots. I have even purchased a few of these and I do have fun discovering what may be inside. And I have even found some with a good amount of visible chondrules, impact features and one that had an image of The Virgin Mary inside :). But I have been collecting things for a LONG time, and I know, at least in other hobbies, that bulk items can be cherry picked way before it gets to you. Is that the same with uncut bulk lots of meteorites. And if so, how can you tell from the exterior what might be in the interior. I would find it hard to believe that anyone would purchase at bulk wholesale prices and simply pass the items on to a buyer with only a mark up on the cost without taking a minute to make sure he/she is not passing on the next Mars visitor. Or... Oops, didn't catch those 20 pieces of L3's in my last lot, my bad I'm not trying to be smarmy here, but business is business. So, my main question is this; What can you tell about the possible composition of a meteorite by looking at the surface? And I'm not talking about some pieces I've seen where the chondule is practically poking out on the surface like a wart. Any help on this? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose theinterior
Hi. Thanks for a great humouristic intervention. Then, Virgin Mary is a kind of CAI? I bought a Sikhote with wings...I am looking at it with diferent eyes, now. Tonight, I will check if it glows in the dark. And there are Kriptonite meteorites, too. What a mess, upstairs. AA And I have even found some with a good amount of visible chondrules, impact features and one that had an image of The Virgin Mary inside :). - Original Message - From: Walter L. Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose theinterior It's almost holiday, list folk. I'll be good today and actually ask a meteorite question instead of playing devil's advocate about feedback and dealers. You see a lot of ads for uncut NWA's in bulk lots. I have even purchased a few of these and I do have fun discovering what may be inside. And I have even found some with a good amount of visible chondrules, impact features and one that had an image of The Virgin Mary inside :). But I have been collecting things for a LONG time, and I know, at least in other hobbies, that bulk items can be cherry picked way before it gets to you. Is that the same with uncut bulk lots of meteorites. And if so, how can you tell from the exterior what might be in the interior. I would find it hard to believe that anyone would purchase at bulk wholesale prices and simply pass the items on to a buyer with only a mark up on the cost without taking a minute to make sure he/she is not passing on the next Mars visitor. Or... Oops, didn't catch those 20 pieces of L3's in my last lot, my bad I'm not trying to be smarmy here, but business is business. So, my main question is this; What can you tell about the possible composition of a meteorite by looking at the surface? And I'm not talking about some pieces I've seen where the chondule is practically poking out on the surface like a wart. Any help on this? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose theinterior
Walter N. wrote: and I know, at least in other hobbies, that bulk items can be cherry picked way before it gets to you. Walter, Seriously, isn't this painfully obvious even on a trip to the tomato aisle in the supermarket:-) though I see you have already answered your own question... If the lot is Cherry-Picked, who do you think is picking the cherries? And I doñt mean just the last guy. Run a potent magnet through your pile for starters and see if they don't all stick to it. And if something doesn't, make sure it isn't just weathered away. But you never know...no one is perfect; one might have gotten away or the guys giving you instant feedback might throw in an especially stone for the publicity. Unless your vendor appears too eagle eyed (I.e., advise: get to know the vendors first hand by buying from all of them, the way we all learn!)... Where do you think all the interesting planetaries as of late are coming from...the planetary meteorite graveyard, or the same bowl of cherries. Just an idle question, because, Who are we to complain? They are meteorites and it isn't like we had to go camelless to the Oasis of Siwa filled with Tucson Sun-Spiders to get them!! If you want to invest do the obvious. To sit back and have fun, maybe we'll get a blister on our little eBay finger... Reminding me of a classic Ziggy Cartoon. Ziggy at the All-You-Can-Eat Buffet complains why he can't have more than the sad offering on his plate. The vender says pointing to the plate, What do you expect - I just gave you All-You-Can-Eat! If-meteorites-are-bowl-of-cherries-then-what-am-I-doing-in-all-the-pits-Doug. Happy Elections! We'll be picking a new Presidente Sunday for the next 6 years. Anyone who wants to hear the humorous side of our pre-cherry picked candidates is welcome to ask me privately!! VOTE, or don`t count! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Doug I will have to admit, you have a way with words. I have noticed that since the first day I visited this sight. But as always, you totally have missed my point (I've noticed that too). I would imagine this list exists for the purpose of LEARNING about the subject of meteorites. My question was intended to solicit information that would add to my meager knowledge of this subject. I wasn't out just to state the obvious. So, Oh Great One. How do the finders, dealers etc, everyone but the poor collector, look at a batch of NWA's and decide which ones will be held on to and which ones end up on Ebay? Let's play a game. Doug is in Morocco, some local has a basket of NWA's (say 5 kg) and Doug buys them. (Now this gets tricky). HOW DOES DOUG DECIDE WHICH STONES TO KEEP AND WHICH STONES TO THROW TO WALTER, WITHOUT OUT MAKING AN END CUT IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM? Does Doug look for something about the exterior that may indicate a clue to the innards? I'm waiting with baited breath (or is that bad breath) and my finger on the Ebay button for your answer. Keep it in simple language. For my obvious sake, please don't use words bigger than pits. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Walter, How do the finders, dealers etc, everyone but the poor collector, look at a batch of NWA's and decide which ones will be held on to and which ones end up on Ebay? Magnetism, shape, texture and color. Does Doug look for something about the exterior that may indicate a clue to the innards? But of course he does. ;-) If it's an obvious meteorite and yet has very little (or no) attraction to a strong magnet, then it's probably something interesting -- achondrite, LL, carbonaceous. Or, it could just be an extremely weathered O.C. (though that would be rare for a Sahara meteorite). Medium or strong paramagnetism: probably an H- or L-chondrite, though enstatite chondrites can also be quite attracted to magnets. (I'm assuming you'd have no difficulty recognizing an iron.) The crust of an achondrite does not look the same as the crust of an ordinary chondrite or a carbonaceous chondrite. It's usually glassier, blacker, or both. Bottom line is that high-grading meteorites is not too difficult when you've got hundreds or thousands to look through. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Rob Thanks. That was the kind of info I was looking for. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose
Walter, There is no subject that Doug isn't well versed in. Don't stir him up. He's not a modest genius. Bill -- Original message -- From: Walter L. Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug I will have to admit, you have a way with words. I have noticed that since the first day I visited this sight. But as always, you totally have missed my point (I've noticed that too). I would imagine this list exists for the purpose of LEARNING about the subject of meteorites. My question was intended to solicit information that would add to my meager knowledge of this subject. I wasn't out just to state the obvious. So, Oh Great One. How do the finders, dealers etc, everyone but the poor collector, look at a batch of NWA's and decide which ones will be held on to and which ones end up on Ebay? Let's play a game. Doug is in Morocco, some local has a basket of NWA's (say 5 kg) and Doug buys them. (Now this gets tricky). HOW DOES DOUG DECIDE WHICH STONES TO KEEP AND WHICH STONES TO THROW TO WALTER, WITHOUT OUT MAKING AN END CUT IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM? Does Doug look for something about the exterior that may indicate a clue to the innards? I'm waiting with baited breath (or is that bad breath) and my finger on the Ebay button for your answer. Keep it in simple language. For my obvious sake, please don't use words bigger than pits. Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
