Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
Bruno and Carine, We have been friends for a long time and you two have always been a joy to visit with. I have nothing against you but, like Elton said. This is a civil (money) matter more than a criminal (jail) matter. A better word for you to use here is " leveraged" instead of "extortion". Too me it looks like they used leverage to collect a debt not extortion. They convinced you to offer up a bunch of your inventory as compensation for a debt you owed them ? Anybody that walked into Sean's room saw what was once your material because it was openly being marketed for sale. I know you know this because I saw you in meetings with Sean himself and he later told me he thought you were "pretty cool" but, he had nothing to do with your settlement with Braheem (sp). The time to cry " wolf" was during the show. Not weeks later and if these folks had access to your shipments their must have been a reason. If they had access they could argue the shipment belonged to them. Again, like Elton said, this sounds like a civil action where you would need to sue them but, to claim theft in the United States you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. You are yourself at risk of a libel law suit being filed against you and I would think all of you will piss away a lot of money on lawyers. I hope you guys work this out and clear each others good names. Best to all, Carl -- Cheers The Earth's Memory wrote: > Carl, > > please send us the list of these people, witnesses are always welcome. > > Wow, he told you that he has half of our material ? thank you for your > testimony. > > Anybody has pictures of that exposed collection ? > > If you had more than your house value as retainer you would be very > cooperative beleive us, > we even had to give some Museum labels . > > Past debt obligations ? please show any paperwork. > > If "he is caught there" and has nothing to see why he doesn't answer us nor > write us that he's innocent ? > > and as for the delay, 12 days for the crate to come back to France, the > investigations and been able to have > enough strong written evidences and witnesses takes time you know. > > This is one of the biggest robbery in the meteorites history, we are the > victims and you try to tell us that we > shouldn't be on the list ? > > Don't worry, that should be resolved strongly. > > Bruno & Carine > > > ----- Original Message - > From: > To: "Don Merchant" ; > > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite > Collectionstollen > > > > List, > > This is very confusing. The Tucson show ended nearly a month ago on Feb. > > 18th. Why the long wait to make claims > > Anyone at the show already saw much of this material being sold by Sean > > and he and Bruno were very friendly with each other at the time. I saw > > them meeting and discussing identification and pricing of this material. > > Bruno had half or this material for sale and Sean had the other half for > > sale. In other words it was explained to me that they had made a deal in > > exchange for past debt obligations Bruno had with Sean's partner. Sean > > explained this to anyone interested . I could give you a list of people > > Sean told this to. He had made a legitimate deal with Bruno. > > This seems like somebody is doing dirty laundry in public and has no > > business on this list. At least not until resolved. There is always two > > sides to every story. Sean may be caught in the middle here but, I know > > him to be an honest man. > > Carl > > meteoritemax > > > > -- > > Cheers > > > > Don Merchant wrote: > >> Holy Smokes!!! Looking over the list of stolen meteorites, many of those > >> individual pieces are worth 5X more then my collection of 12 years!!! > >> There > >> has to be several hundred thousand dollars or more lost/stolen on this! > >> How > >> in the name of Mary did anyone get away with all that inventory!? I am > >> speechless, thankful I only have to type. Where was the security, laser > >> alarms and Uzzi! I am very sorry to see and hear this. This is > >> incredible. > >> Hopefully this will help create better measures on security because this > >> boggles my mind! > >> > >> Sincerely > >> Don Merchant > >> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders > >> www.ctreasurescwonders.com > >> IMCA #0960 > >> > >> - Original Message - > &g
Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
Carl, please send us the list of these people, witnesses are always welcome. Wow, he told you that he has half of our material ? thank you for your testimony. Anybody has pictures of that exposed collection ? If you had more than your house value as retainer you would be very cooperative beleive us, we even had to give some Museum labels . Past debt obligations ? please show any paperwork. If "he is caught there" and has nothing to see why he doesn't answer us nor write us that he's innocent ? and as for the delay, 12 days for the crate to come back to France, the investigations and been able to have enough strong written evidences and witnesses takes time you know. This is one of the biggest robbery in the meteorites history, we are the victims and you try to tell us that we shouldn't be on the list ? Don't worry, that should be resolved strongly. Bruno & Carine - Original Message - From: To: "Don Merchant" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen List, This is very confusing. The Tucson show ended nearly a month ago on Feb. 18th. Why the long wait to make claims Anyone at the show already saw much of this material being sold by Sean and he and Bruno were very friendly with each other at the time. I saw them meeting and discussing identification and pricing of this material. Bruno had half or this material for sale and Sean had the other half for sale. In other words it was explained to me that they had made a deal in exchange for past debt obligations Bruno had with Sean's partner. Sean explained this to anyone interested . I could give you a list of people Sean told this to. He had made a legitimate deal with Bruno. This seems like somebody is doing dirty laundry in public and has no business on this list. At least not until resolved. There is always two sides to every story. Sean may be caught in the middle here but, I know him to be an honest man. Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers Don Merchant wrote: Holy Smokes!!! Looking over the list of stolen meteorites, many of those individual pieces are worth 5X more then my collection of 12 years!!! There has to be several hundred thousand dollars or more lost/stolen on this! How in the name of Mary did anyone get away with all that inventory!? I am speechless, thankful I only have to type. Where was the security, laser alarms and Uzzi! I am very sorry to see and hear this. This is incredible. Hopefully this will help create better measures on security because this boggles my mind! Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: "The Earth's Memory" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen > Dear list Members, > > it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been > victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show > and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show. > > Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited > that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not > disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just > tell > you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan. > > We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead > the > criminal team to be > punished by the full power of the Law. > > We offered them to give back the material and we would not press > charges, > but it seems that they are not cooperating. > The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as > they > don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW. > > Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued: > http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm > > this list is still partial as we are working on it, there are many > fossils > too. > > Many of you know that these specimens are our and saw them in our room > or > on our web site for years, > please have a close look on that list, some specimens might be already > for > sell somewhere. > > We ask any Dealer, Collector or Curator to be very carefull. > > If you have been proposed any suspicious specimens, please report it to > us > or Eric Twelker off list. > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > Best from France, > > Bruno & Carine > La Memoire de la Terre > The Earth's Memory > France > www.meteorite.fr > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@me
Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
List, This is very confusing. The Tucson show ended nearly a month ago on Feb. 18th. Why the long wait to make claims Anyone at the show already saw much of this material being sold by Sean and he and Bruno were very friendly with each other at the time. I saw them meeting and discussing identification and pricing of this material. Bruno had half or this material for sale and Sean had the other half for sale. In other words it was explained to me that they had made a deal in exchange for past debt obligations Bruno had with Sean's partner. Sean explained this to anyone interested . I could give you a list of people Sean told this to. He had made a legitimate deal with Bruno. This seems like somebody is doing dirty laundry in public and has no business on this list. At least not until resolved. There is always two sides to every story. Sean may be caught in the middle here but, I know him to be an honest man. Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers Don Merchant wrote: > Holy Smokes!!! Looking over the list of stolen meteorites, many of those > individual pieces are worth 5X more then my collection of 12 years!!! There > has to be several hundred thousand dollars or more lost/stolen on this! How > in the name of Mary did anyone get away with all that inventory!? I am > speechless, thankful I only have to type. Where was the security, laser > alarms and Uzzi! I am very sorry to see and hear this. This is incredible. > Hopefully this will help create better measures on security because this > boggles my mind! > > Sincerely > Don Merchant > Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders > www.ctreasurescwonders.com > IMCA #0960 > > - Original Message - > From: "The Earth's Memory" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:35 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite > Collectionstollen > > > > Dear list Members, > > > > it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been > > victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show > > and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show. > > > > Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited > > that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not > > disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just tell > > you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan. > > > > We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead the > > criminal team to be > > punished by the full power of the Law. > > > > We offered them to give back the material and we would not press charges, > > but it seems that they are not cooperating. > > The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as they > > don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW. > > > > Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued: > > http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm > > > > this list is still partial as we are working on it, there are many fossils > > too. > > > > Many of you know that these specimens are our and saw them in our room or > > on our web site for years, > > please have a close look on that list, some specimens might be already for > > sell somewhere. > > > > We ask any Dealer, Collector or Curator to be very carefull. > > > > If you have been proposed any suspicious specimens, please report it to us > > or Eric Twelker off list. > > > > Any help would be very much appreciated. > > > > Best from France, > > > > Bruno & Carine > > La Memoire de la Terre > > The Earth's Memory > > France > > www.meteorite.fr > > > > __ > > > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
Holy Smokes!!! Looking over the list of stolen meteorites, many of those individual pieces are worth 5X more then my collection of 12 years!!! There has to be several hundred thousand dollars or more lost/stolen on this! How in the name of Mary did anyone get away with all that inventory!? I am speechless, thankful I only have to type. Where was the security, laser alarms and Uzzi! I am very sorry to see and hear this. This is incredible. Hopefully this will help create better measures on security because this boggles my mind! Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders www.ctreasurescwonders.com IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: "The Earth's Memory" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen Dear list Members, it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show. Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just tell you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan. We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead the criminal team to be punished by the full power of the Law. We offered them to give back the material and we would not press charges, but it seems that they are not cooperating. The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as they don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW. Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued: http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm this list is still partial as we are working on it, there are many fossils too. Many of you know that these specimens are our and saw them in our room or on our web site for years, please have a close look on that list, some specimens might be already for sell somewhere. We ask any Dealer, Collector or Curator to be very carefull. If you have been proposed any suspicious specimens, please report it to us or Eric Twelker off list. Any help would be very much appreciated. Best from France, Bruno & Carine La Memoire de la Terre The Earth's Memory France www.meteorite.fr __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
Sadly, there is indeed far more to this story On Mar 11, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Jason Utas wrote: > I've heard someone else (very trustworthy) chime in on this, > andthere may be more to the story. I'm not willing to say > anything certain on this issue until more information from both sides > comes to light. > Jason > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Jason Utas wrote: >> Not to point any fingers or anythingthese are specimens pictured >> or described on the list of specimens that was sent to the >> meteorite-list: >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-1814-Meteorite-Bencubbine-like-CBa-1814-0001-120-15g-Main-Mass-1-of-5-/281070466338?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item41711af522 >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-1950-Martian-Lherzonlitic-Shergottite-Meteorite-1950-0003-0-31g-Slice-/271167945808?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f22de7c50 >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWA-530-Meteorite-Carbonaceous-Chondrite-CR2-0530-0001-7-15g-Stunning-CR2-/271162995077?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2292f185 >> >> http://eegooblago.com/mesosiderites/nwa_4747_mesosiderite >> >> http://eegooblago.com/chondrites_carbonaceous/nwa_6458_ck4_carbonaceous >> >> http://eegooblago.com/diogenite/nwa5480_-_diogenite >> >> http://eegooblago.com/historic_meteorites/nwa_1068_louise_michel >> >> http://eegooblago.com/historic_meteorites/nwa_2737_martian_chassignite >> >> http://eegooblago.com/historic_meteorites/nwa_725_acapulcoitewinonaite >> >> http://eegooblago.com/historic_meteorites/changxing_h5_meteorite >> >> And probably a few others. I got bored with cross-checking NWA numbers. >> >> The pattern on his "Arispe" looks unusually fine for Arispe, assume >> it's something else based on the description. >> >> The ebay seller and website owner is "Sean Tutorow," a dealer I am >> unfamiliar with. I asked for additional photos for one of his NWA's on >> ebay some time ago, and was told that he 'didn't do extra photos' or >> something like that. Came across as impolite, know nothing else about >> the fellow. >> >> What's the story? >> >> Jason >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Richard Montgomery >> wrote: >>> Bruno and Carine, >>> Massive regrets, and fortunately we meteorite lovers have more wisdom than >>> the crooks know. As many of us were in your room, I will be vigilant. >>> Somehow I didn't receive your original post to the List. Has anyone else? >>> Richard Montgomery >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Jim Strope" >>> To: "The Earth's Memory" >>> Cc: ; >>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:29 PM >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite >>> Collectionstollen >>> >>> >>> >>>> This is terrible news. >>>> >>>> Jim Strope >>>> 421 4th Street >>>> Glen Dale, WV. 26038 >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "The Earth's Memory" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear list Members, >>>>> >>>>> it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been >>>>> victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show >>>>> and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show. >>>>> >>>>> Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited >>>>> that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not >>>>> disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just tell >>>>> you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan. >>>>> >>>>> We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead the >>>>> criminal team to be >>>>> punished by the full power of the Law. >>>>> >>>>> We offered them to give back the material and we would not press charges, >>>>> but it seems that they are not cooperating. >>>>> The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as they >>>>> don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW. >>>>> >>>>> Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued: >>>>> http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.ht
Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
Bruno and Carine, Massive regrets, and fortunately we meteorite lovers have more wisdom than the crooks know. As many of us were in your room, I will be vigilant. Somehow I didn't receive your original post to the List. Has anyone else? Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: "Jim Strope" To: "The Earth's Memory" Cc: ; Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen This is terrible news. Jim Strope 421 4th Street Glen Dale, WV. 26038 Sent from my iPad On Mar 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, "The Earth's Memory" wrote: Dear list Members, it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show. Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just tell you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan. We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead the criminal team to be punished by the full power of the Law. We offered them to give back the material and we would not press charges, but it seems that they are not cooperating. The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as they don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW. Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued: http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm this list is still partial as we are working on it, there are many fossils too. Many of you know that these specimens are our and saw them in our room or on our web site for years, please have a close look on that list, some specimens might be already for sell somewhere. We ask any Dealer, Collector or Curator to be very carefull. If you have been proposed any suspicious specimens, please report it to us or Eric Twelker off list. Any help would be very much appreciated. Best from France, Bruno & Carine La Memoire de la Terre The Earth's Memory France www.meteorite.fr __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen !!!!
Dear Bruno and Carine, that's an incredible loss indeed. But I think, and hope, that we all together, being in full awareness, should be able to support you. Keep the spirit. My very best Matthias - Original Message - From: "The Earth's Memory" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite Collectionstollen Dear list Members, it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show. Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will not disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just tell you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan. We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead the criminal team to be punished by the full power of the Law. We offered them to give back the material and we would not press charges, but it seems that they are not cooperating. The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as they don't return our inventory intact and at no cost NOW. Here is a rapid list of what have been stolen and extorqued: http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm this list is still partial as we are working on it, there are many fossils too. Many of you know that these specimens are our and saw them in our room or on our web site for years, please have a close look on that list, some specimens might be already for sell somewhere. We ask any Dealer, Collector or Curator to be very carefull. If you have been proposed any suspicious specimens, please report it to us or Eric Twelker off list. Any help would be very much appreciated. Best from France, Bruno & Carine La Memoire de la Terre The Earth's Memory France www.meteorite.fr __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
