Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
I thank everyone for their responses to my posting. I am also delighted with the clear and civil nature of the responses. It seems that my concern was largely misplaced. I have great respect for the hunters out there getting their hands dirty to feed my obsession and without doubt, science would be poorer without them. I suppose it's all about how it may be made to look. you know what journalists are like. How soon is too soon? I've no idea. Good luck with the hunting for those of you lucky enough to be part of it. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Hi Howard and all, I've probably got this wrong but sounds like you are addressing Steve Arnold from Chicago. The original Steve Arnold or Meteorhunter who has been around for many years, long before the Steve Arnold of Chicago is a seller of meteorites and really isn't a collector. That is why he is offering up his finding from West Texas to the list. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Howard Steffic bencub...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD Well, that didn't take long. Selling the first one you found? Howard Steffic From: meteorh...@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:53:42 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD Hey List, I have one West, Texas specimen I would be willing to sell. Contact me off list if you might be interested. I will not be able to respond until late tonight to any replies. Steve Arnold www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not. I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was officially classified was distasteful. Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to obtain virgin material before it can be officially classified or examined is against scientific principles. I realise that some collectors may have more money to hand than museums. I also realise that the hunters have overheads to cover but the offering of material to collectors before it is offered to science just seems wrong to me. My hobby is other peoples livelyhood and this action just does not sit well with me and I'll wager it does not sit well with the general public, either. How does this help us? Rob McC __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Selling before or after official classification makes no difference to the science of these stones. It has already been examined by many on this list. If it matters, two of the first to find this material were astronomers from the University of North Texas. Further, Mexico Doug assures us a that classification sample has already been provided. There are hints that there are kilos of this stuff and that it is not a rare classification. There is no earthly reason this material should be embargoed by government or guilt. Martin Altman's astute and articulate writings on this subject apply. John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob McCafferty Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:42 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not. I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was officially classified was distasteful. Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to obtain virgin material before it can be officially classified or examined is against scientific principles. I realise that some collectors may have more money to hand than museums. I also realise that the hunters have overheads to cover but the offering of material to collectors before it is offered to science just seems wrong to me. My hobby is other peoples livelyhood and this action just does not sit well with me and I'll wager it does not sit well with the general public, either. How does this help us? Rob McC __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Rob All, Classification material has already been submitted. I respectfully disagree. Whether they are sold early or not isn't as big of an issue as how they are curated, etc. It's a great thing that we have treasure hunters out in the field -- I'm not one, by the way -- and the fact that people are willing to pay good money for meteorites has led to increased recoveries well beyond the expectation of the scientific community itself. There are those who would love to acquire an early find from West, Texas, and those who do are actually fueling further recoveries in the process. Good hunting to all in West! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Rob McCafferty Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 7:42 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not. I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was officially classified was distasteful. Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to obtain virgin material before it can be officially classified or examined is against scientific principles. I realise that some collectors may have more money to hand than museums. I also realise that the hunters have overheads to cover but the offering of material to collectors before it is offered to science just seems wrong to me. My hobby is other peoples livelyhood and this action just does not sit well with me and I'll wager it does not sit well with the general public, either. How does this help us? Rob McC __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Hello Rob, Listees, While I understand your concerns regarding meteorite fever of others, I would like to assure you that our team flew Dr. Rubin material found by our fortunate team, and placed it in his hand in less than 72 hours after it was hot, or better, I should say cold. He actually was slicing it for a thin section preparation before any of the other commercial meteorite hunters reached the strewn field!!! Thanks, Dima, Rob and Sergey, you all are the best! So, in effect, Dr. Rubin did the preparation and microprobe classification in less than two days. How's that for service to science with professionalism? Thus he had the material classified before the subject commerce began, and information about the classification even somehow percolated out hours later, as thus far there has been no formal announcement. This post the formal announcement which was submitted Thursday. Our team was too busy dealing with the news to post, and I didn't get it until Friday anyway. A lot of miracles were worked from the fall. After we delegated our material to science at our personal cost (fedex next plane service was the same cost as just flying there and riling Rob out of bed to make the door to door delivery), personal and nostalgic needs fulfilled and everyone involved with our search team, we left by Friday as this community braced for something peculiar that only the meteorite list can fully=2 0appreciate. Here is the formal classification done by Dr. Rubin for the list: == W0, S3, L6 olivine Fa: 24.2±0.2 (n=12) low-Ca pyx Fs20.5±0.7Wo1.6±0.2 (n=12) kamacite has an average composition of Fe 93.1 Ni 5.8 Co 0.83 (n=4) taenite has an average composition of Fe 69.6 Ni 30.3 Co 0.30 (n=9) Taenite is much more abundant than kamacite. Many plagioclase grains exceed 50 µm in size. Some metal grains have irregular grains of troilite inside them. Metallic Cu is present in me metal grains. There are some thin metal- and sulfide-bearing shock veins. The rock exhibits signficant silicate darkening. == Though we barely saw it, the specimen he classified was very troilite rich - appeared literally caked and fragmented on it! I might suggest the name Ash Creek, a pleasant valid place name, as well as reminiscent of the Nakhla dog and Cabin Creek. While L6 is one of the most common classifications, this meteorite does have its especially exciting points, including: the presence of metallic copper! Anyways, this whole thing so blows me away, the hospitality of the locals, the speed at which we were able to operate superb coordination. I will try to get some sleep after this crazy week, and wish the best of luck t o all those in our team's footsteps. Best of luck on the main mass and mapping of the strewn field. I am convinced the main mass exists, quite psyched with our hustle and the professionalism of my peers, but must attend to family matters and will miss all of our friends along with the hoards of curiosity seekers. Best wishes and Great health, Doug -Original Message- From: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not. I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was officially classified was distasteful. Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to obtain virgin material before it can be officially classified or examined is against scientific principles. I realise that some collectors may have more money to hand than museums. I also realise that the hunters have overheads to cover but the offering of material to collectors before it is offered to science just seems wrong to me. My hobby is other peoples livelyhood and this action just does not sit well with me and I'll wager it does not sit well with the general public, either. How does this help us? Rob McC ___ ___ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Hello Rob, Listees, While I understand your concerns regarding meteorite fever of others, I would like to assure you that our team flew Dr. Rubin material found by our fortunate team, and placed it in his hand in less than 72 hours after it was hot, or better, I should say cold. He actually was slicing it for a thin section preparation before any of the other commercial meteorite hunters reached the strewn field!!! Thanks, Dima, Rob and Sergey, you all are the best! So, in effect, Dr. Rubin did the preparation and microprobe classification in less than two days. How's that for service to science with professionalism? Thus he had the material classified before the subject commerce began, and information about the classification even somehow percolated out hours later, as thus far there has been no formal announcement. This post the formal announcement which was submitted Thursday. Our team was too busy dealing with the news to post, and I didn't get it until Friday anyway. A lot of miracles were worked from the fall. After we delegated our material to science at our personal cost (fedex next plane service was the same cost as just flying there and riling Rob out of bed to make the door to door delivery), personal and nostalgic needs fulfilled and everyone involved with our search team, we left by Friday as this community braced for something peculiar that only the meteorite list can fully=2 0appreciate. Here is the formal classification done by Dr. Rubin for the list: == W0, S3, L6 olivine Fa: 24.2±0.2 (n=12) low-Ca pyx Fs20.5±0.7Wo1.6±0.2 (n=12) kamacite has an average composition of Fe 93.1 Ni 5.8 Co 0.83 (n=4) taenite has an average composition of Fe 69.6 Ni 30.3 Co 0.30 (n=9) Taenite is much more abundant than kamacite. Many plagioclase grains exceed 50 µm in size. Some metal grains have irregular grains of troilite inside them. Metallic Cu is present in me metal grains. There are some thin metal- and sulfide-bearing shock veins. The rock exhibits signficant silicate darkening. == Though we barely saw it, the specimen he classified was very troilite rich - appeared literally caked and fragmented on it! I might suggest the name Ash Creek, a pleasant valid place name, as well as reminiscent of the Nakhla dog and Cabin Creek. While L6 is one of the most common classifications, this meteorite does have its especially exciting points, including: the presence of metallic copper! Anyways, this whole thing so blows me away, the hospitality of the locals, the speed at which we were able to operate superb coordination. I will try to get some sleep after this crazy week, and wish the best of luck t o all those in our team's footsteps. Best of luck on the main mass and mapping of the strewn field. I am convinced the main mass exists, quite psyched with our hustle and the professionalism of my peers, but must attend to family matters and will miss all of our friends along with the hoards of curiosity seekers. Best wishes and Great health, Doug -Original Message- From: Rob McCafferty rob_mccaffe...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD I don't know if I'm the only person who feels this or not. I personally felt that the offering of this new material before it was officially classified was distasteful. Collectors are constantly being branded as bounty hunters or treasure seekers. Surely, all collectors can see that to obtain virgin material before it can be officially classified or examined is against scientific principles. I realise that some collectors may have more money to hand than museums. I also realise that the hunters have overheads to cover but the offering of material to collectors before it is offered to science just seems wrong to me. My hobby is other peoples livelyhood and this action just does not sit well with me and I'll wager it does not sit well with the general public, either. How does this help us? Rob McC ___ ___ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Hey List, I have one West, Texas specimen I would be willing to sell. Contact me off list if you might be interested. I will not be able to respond until late tonight to any replies. Steve Arnold www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD
Well, that didn't take long. Selling the first one you found? Howard Steffic From: meteorh...@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 15:53:42 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] West Specimen for sale AD Hey List, I have one West, Texas specimen I would be willing to sell. Contact me off list if you might be interested. I will not be able to respond until late tonight to any replies. Steve Arnold www.SteveArnoldMeteorites.com **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Windows Live™: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
