RE: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows
Only if you want to lose all of your money. I know him, and will never buy from him again. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Kitt Deyarmin Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:48 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Anyone ever heard of this guy, is he a reputable dealer? Hi Mr, I'm a meteorites dealer from Morocco, i have good material for good prices ,please contact me if you are interested. Thanks Mohamed Ait Ouzrou Agadir 8 Morocco - Original Message - From: Paul Harris To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Dear List, We have had a request to create a page listing dates and info on all the World's Meteorite Shows. We would appreciate links to any lists and pages that you know of. Please reply off the list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll make the page available from both The Meteorite Exchange and Meteorite-Times. Thank you! Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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To partially answer your question, He has contacted several List members. He supplies a lot of bulk unclassified material and deals with one dealer in particular who is known for selling by weight. Like every other Moroccan dealer still in business, hehas raised his prices on everything including unclassified Eucrites for $20.00 a gram. The days of being able to get a good deal from dealers in Morocco are numbered. They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. The only good deal I have seen lately is for the Enstatite Chondrite that has been claimed to be an Achondrite even though it has chondrules. Over 70 kilograms were sold at the Tucson show alone for less than a buck a gram, a very good deal. I am sure he is a reputable dealerbut he is asking more than you can still find classified and sliced material foron ebay. Unfortunately, as supplies dwindle, this material cannot be replacedfor anywhere near this price. Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: David Kitt Deyarmin To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Anyone ever heard of this guy, is he a reputable dealer? Hi Mr, I'm a meteorites dealer from Morocco, i have good material for good prices ,please contact me if you are interested. Thanks Mohamed Ait Ouzrou Agadir 8 Morocco - Original Message - From: Paul Harris To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Dear List,We have had a request to create a page listing dates and info on all the World's Meteorite Shows.We would appreciate links to any lists and pages that you know of. Please reply off the list to[EMAIL PROTECTED]We'll make the page available from both The Meteorite Exchange and Meteorite-Times.Thank you!Paul__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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David and all, Jim Strope and I have a paring to NWA 011. It is confirmed, classified, and ready for sale. I was offering it in Tucson, and anyone interested in owning some of this rarest of rare meteorites, contact me today. I can fill orders for almost any $$$ amount. Northwest Africa 2976 Northwest Africa Find: 2005 Achondrite (ungrouped) History: A complete 219 g stone with no crust was purchased in Erfoud, Morocco in November 2005. Petrography: (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU) Contains mm-sized pigeonite with exsolved augite lamellae surrounded by recrystallized plagioclase and minor amounts of relict plagioclase of similar composition. Geochemistry: Pigeonite (Fs64.8Wo6.1), FeO/MnO = 64; Augite (Fs44.2 Wo27.3); Plagioclase (An84.0 86.8). Abundant chromite is observed. The sample also contains minor amounts of Zn-bearing FeS, Cr-ulvöspinel, silica and phosphate. Classification: Achondrite (Ungrouped). This meteorite is paired with NWA 2400 and NWA 011. Although no oxygen isotopic data has yet been obtained, the petrography is essentially identical to these two meteorites. Shock effects are minimal and internal weathering is very low. Specimens: A 23.2 g sample is on deposit at NAU. Farmer/Stroup hold the main mass. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Weir Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:37 PM To: Adam Hupe Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear David, You do not know what you are talking about. That was when there was only 58 milligrams of crumbs on the market with no known pairings. Serge was asking $500.00 for the crumbs and Al was ready to walk away. After convincing Al about there desirability was he willing to partner with us on the crumbs. Al ended up with a good portion of the crumbs. The price was established by collectors at auction, not by me. If you recall the first piece was entered by Al in partnership at a Blood auction with no minimum bid. By the way, It has been cleared with both Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch for you to contact them in regards to previous statements you made that are in error. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear David and list, David, what Adam has stated below about Al Lang being an equal partner with us in the 58mg's of NWA 011 at the Tucson Show of 2003 is correct, I was there and was part of the transaction. Al was about to walk away at $500.00. The retail price was established at a no reserve auction and benefited us as well as Al (he was one-third owner). As far as you and Al working on the deal before Adam ,myself and Al purchased the material, then you should talk to Al about that as he never mentioned anything about you being interested in purchasing the 58mg. Al did suggest we send you a fragment of the material we had, and we did. I would say a freebie 1mg fragment out of just 58mg was a nice gesture from the three of us (Adam, myself and Al). Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Still, you had no business interfering with Allan's and my deal. You didn't even know Serge nor what was going down, you merely put your big arse into something where it didn't belong. History would be different if you had minded your own business instead of screwing Al and myself (which you didn't even know you were doing in my case). As for changing the subject to the pairing of 1839 and 3133, I told you before I don't bother busy scientists with crap that you start, but rather, I read published documents for my information. The information that you clainm is incorrect is published by Drs. Ted Bunch and James Wittke on the NAU website and is currently still there. Ask them to remove it for the sake of accuracy in the field of meteoritics, for this is what I will refer to on this issue, and nothing Adam Hupe says will change that. David Adam Hupe wrote: Dear David, You do not know what you are talking about. That was when there was only 58 milligrams of crumbs on the market with no known pairings. Serge was asking $500.00 for the crumbs and Al was ready to walk away. After convincing Al about there desirability was he willing to partner with us on the crumbs. Al ended up with a good portion of the crumbs. The price was established by collectors at auction, not by me. If you recall the first piece was entered by Al in partnership at a Blood auction with no minimum bid. By the way, It has been cleared with both Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch for you to contact them in regards to previous statements you made that are in error. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear David, They have been informed about the web-site error and it will be taken care from what I was told. Like everybody already knows, opinions are subject to change, especially with new isotope data. Dr. Irving would be happy to discuss the new developments with you in regards to NWA 3133 since he has respect for what you have done with your web-site. Speaking of your web-site, I feel it is very good and we have donated several things to you for free of charge in support of a this good cause and this is how we are repaid? Thank You, Adam . - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Still, you had no business interfering with Allan's and my deal. You didn't even know Serge nor what was going down, you merely put your big arse into something where it didn't belong. History would be different if you had minded your own business instead of screwing Al and myself (which you didn't even know you were doing in my case). As for changing the subject to the pairing of 1839 and 3133, I told you before I don't bother busy scientists with crap that you start, but rather, I read published documents for my information. The information that you clainm is incorrect is published by Drs. Ted Bunch and James Wittke on the NAU website and is currently still there. Ask them to remove it for the sake of accuracy in the field of meteoritics, for this is what I will refer to on this issue, and nothing Adam Hupe says will change that. David Adam Hupe wrote: Dear David, You do not know what you are talking about. That was when there was only 58 milligrams of crumbs on the market with no known pairings. Serge was asking $500.00 for the crumbs and Al was ready to walk away. After convincing Al about there desirability was he willing to partner with us on the crumbs. Al ended up with a good portion of the crumbs. The price was established by collectors at auction, not by me. If you recall the first piece was entered by Al in partnership at a Blood auction with no minimum bid. By the way, It has been cleared with both Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch for you to contact them in regards to previous statements you made that are in error. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greg Hupe wrote: Dear David and list, David, what Adam has stated below about Al Lang being an equal partner with us in the 58mg's of NWA 011 at the Tucson Show of 2003 is correct, I was there and was part of the transaction. Al was about to walk away at $500.00. The retail price was established at a no reserve auction and benefited us as well as Al (he was one-third owner). As far as you and Al working on the deal before Adam ,myself and Al purchased the material, then you should talk to Al about that as he never mentioned anything about you being interested in purchasing the 58mg. Al did suggest we send you a fragment of the material we had, and we did. I would say a freebie 1mg fragment out of just 58mg was a nice gesture from the three of us (Adam, myself and Al). So now you think I should thank you for your intrusion into Al's and my deal with Serge? It was pure luck that you were even there in the room since you have begun some relationship with Al at that Show. I'm sure that Al knew of my interest as I told him many times, and I feel confident that had you not bought the pieces Al would have closed the deal in his more casual manner, and probably at a better price or trade. No Greg, I feel that the entire 58 mg should have been mine and Allan's, and I think your scenario (read fantasy) is in your own mind and holds no value in my life. No hard feelings, I could care less about that fucing asteroid anymore. David Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear David, I really don't want to get into anything here, just pointing out the facts. If Al left you in the dust on the deal than that is between you and he. Adam and I did not know you and Al had talked about the material, and thus, did not interfere with YOUR material or deal. If Al had mentioned it, we would have gladly stepped aside. Since nothing was said to us by those in the know, it was simply three people buying some cool material that was made available during a show. We have no problem with you and certainly not asking for a Thank You for the gift. It sounds like there is some deeper problem that you and others need to work out. Best regards from my mind and fantasy, Greg - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Greg Hupe wrote: Dear David and list, David, what Adam has stated below about Al Lang being an equal partner with us in the 58mg's of NWA 011 at the Tucson Show of 2003 is correct, I was there and was part of the transaction. Al was about to walk away at $500.00. The retail price was established at a no reserve auction and benefited us as well as Al (he was one-third owner). As far as you and Al working on the deal before Adam ,myself and Al purchased the material, then you should talk to Al about that as he never mentioned anything about you being interested in purchasing the 58mg. Al did suggest we send you a fragment of the material we had, and we did. I would say a freebie 1mg fragment out of just 58mg was a nice gesture from the three of us (Adam, myself and Al). So now you think I should thank you for your intrusion into Al's and my deal with Serge? It was pure luck that you were even there in the room since you have begun some relationship with Al at that Show. I'm sure that Al knew of my interest as I told him many times, and I feel confident that had you not bought the pieces Al would have closed the deal in his more casual manner, and probably at a better price or trade. No Greg, I feel that the entire 58 mg should have been mine and Allan's, and I think your scenario (read fantasy) is in your own mind and holds no value in my life. No hard feelings, I could care less about that fucing asteroid anymore. David Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several hundred dollars per MILLIGRAM. Gee, thanks for making sure the price of this material stays reasonable for us collectors. In my opinion you have no right to complain about the high pricing of this material, and you should be proud of yourself that the paired find NWA 2400 was also being offered at $3000/g by Terry Boswell and his partner in crime Ron Farrell. Perhaps this new pairing will also be consistent with the high prices that YOU initiated. Thanks again. You should have stayed out of this deal of mine and Al Lang's and most likely we wouldn't be seeing these exorbitant prices for this unique basaltic eucrite-like meteorite. Hey, and thanks for the free milligram of NWA 011 you gave me rather than, say, 4 milligrams... after all, it was MY initiation (with due credit to Norbert Classen who helped in the search for this material). Okay, I'm over it. Have a great day Adam. Love, David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Adam, You are not being repaid for the freebies that you sent for my website/collection! You asked for nothing in return and I have no money to pay you. I don't feel any obligation to anyone for my website, compiled over the past 10 years, so if you think there's a quid pro quo, or a feeling from me that you are supporting it, well I'm sorry to tell you that's not the case. I am under no obligation to include anything you have given me on my website. I include what I want. This conversation about NWA 011 is long in coming, and I'm glad to finally get it off my shoulders. You are a slick dude no doubt, and finding yourself in Serge's room with a chance to grab the NWA 011 that he brought for me and Al must have made you sweat. I congratulate you for screwing poor hapless Al who has only been in the meteorite trade business for 40 fricking years. I'm glad you were there to hold his hand and show him how it was done. You did good my boy. You sold 4 mg for what you bought the whole lot for. Well done. Let's not tell everyone how you screwed those who actually paid your exhorbitant prices. Thank God you gave me my milligram for FREE. I'm proud to own it and feel very priviledged. By my thinking, I should have been offered the largest 22 mg piece of NWA 011 for $500... that's what the alternate history (without Hupes) would have brought me. But you are the hero and most everything in life is more important than this stone. DavidAdam Hupe wrote: Dear David, They have been informed about the web-site error and it will be taken care from what I was told. Like everybody already knows, opinions are subject to change, especially with new isotope data. Dr. Irving would be happy to discuss the new developments with you in regards to NWA 3133 since he has respect for what you have done with your web-site. Speaking of your web-site, I feel it is very good and we have donated several things to you for free of charge in support of a this good cause and this is how we are repaid? Thank You, Adam . - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Still, you had no business interfering with Allan's and my deal. You didn't even know Serge nor what was going down, you merely put your big arse into something where it didn't belong. History would be different if you had minded your own business instead of screwing Al and myself (which you didn't even know you were doing in my case). As for changing the subject to the pairing of 1839 and 3133, I told you before I don't bother busy scientists with crap that you start, but rather, I read published documents for my information. The information that you clainm is incorrect is published by Drs. Ted Bunch and James Wittke on the NAU website and is currently still there. Ask them to remove it for the sake of accuracy in the field of meteoritics, for this is what I will refer to on this issue, and nothing Adam Hupe says will change that. David Adam Hupe wrote: Dear David, You do not know what you are talking about. That was when there was only 58 milligrams of crumbs on the market with no known pairings. Serge was asking $500.00 for the crumbs and Al was ready to walk away. After convincing Al about there desirability was he willing to partner with us on the crumbs. Al ended up with a good portion of the crumbs. The price was established by collectors at auction, not by me. If you recall the first piece was entered by Al in partnership at a Blood auction with no minimum bid. By the way, It has been cleared with both Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch for you to contact them in regards to previous statements you made that are in error. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam Hupe wrote: They have been asking outrageous prices for everything including $95,000.00 for a supposed pairing to NWA 011/2400 and $300,000.00 for an untested Martian rock. Dear Adam, You don't suppose this price for a NWA 011 pairing might have anything to do with you, do you? After all, it was you who interfered in a deal between myself, Al Lang, and Serge Afanisiev that I had researched for two years prior to Tucson 2003 and arranged for Al to make a deal for the filings that Serge said he had available. This was all long before you took up your short-lived partnership with Al. I'm sure you have a different take on things, but I will always feel that you turned around and bought the NWA 011 filings out from under Al, not letting him complete the deal in his intelligent way with his longtime friend. Then you sold the material at auction, and thereafter, for several
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I was not asking to be repaid and you are entitled to your opinions. My opinion is that deals have to be negotiated, some will win, some will lose. There are dust makers and then there are dust eaters. It looks like science won out in regards to NWA 011 with a 99% share making them the dustmaker in this case. Al invited us in on the deal and then walked away. Serge would not budge on his price since he had a back up buyer and knew the importance of the pieces after what happened in Denver. I am done explaining to somebody who is throwing out personal remarks without first hand knowledge of a deal. 1mg is better than nothing when there is only a 58mg TAW! This is sounding like more sour grapes to me so it is time to move on. Enough Said, Adam - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Adam, You are not being repaid for the freebies that you sent for my website/collection! You asked for nothing in return and I have no money to pay you. I don't feel any obligation to anyone for my website, compiled over the past 10 years, so if you think there's a quid pro quo, or a feeling from me that you are supporting it, well I'm sorry to tell you that's not the case. I am under no obligation to include anything you have given me on my website. I include what I want. This conversation about NWA 011 is long in coming, and I'm glad to finally get it off my shoulders. You are a slick dude no doubt, and finding yourself in Serge's room with a chance to grab the NWA 011 that he brought for me and Al must have made you sweat. I congratulate you for screwing poor hapless Al who has only been in the meteorite trade business for 40 fricking years. I'm glad you were there to hold his hand and show him how it was done. You did good my boy. You sold 4 mg for what you bought the whole lot for. Well done. Let's not tell everyone how you screwed those who actually paid your exhorbitant prices. Thank God you gave me my milligram for FREE. I'm proud to own it and feel very priviledged. By my thinking, I should have been offered the largest 22 mg piece of NWA 011 for $500... that's what the alternate history (without Hupes) would have brought me. But you are the hero and most everything in life is more important than this stone. DavidAdam Hupe wrote: Dear David, They have been informed about the web-site error and it will be taken care from what I was told. Like everybody already knows, opinions are subject to change, especially with new isotope data. Dr. Irving would be happy to discuss the new developments with you in regards to NWA 3133 since he has respect for what you have done with your web-site. Speaking of your web-site, I feel it is very good and we have donated several things to you for free of charge in support of a this good cause and this is how we are repaid? Thank You, Adam . - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Still, you had no business interfering with Allan's and my deal. You didn't even know Serge nor what was going down, you merely put your big arse into something where it didn't belong. History would be different if you had minded your own business instead of screwing Al and myself (which you didn't even know you were doing in my case). As for changing the subject to the pairing of 1839 and 3133, I told you before I don't bother busy scientists with crap that you start, but rather, I read published documents for my information. The information that you clainm is incorrect is published by Drs. Ted Bunch and James Wittke on the NAU website and is currently still there. Ask them to remove it for the sake of accuracy in the field of meteoritics, for this is what I will refer to on this issue, and nothing Adam Hupe says will change that. David Adam Hupe wrote: Dear David, You do not know what you are talking about. That was when there was only 58 milligrams of crumbs on the market with no known pairings. Serge was asking $500.00 for the crumbs and Al was ready to walk away. After convincing Al about there desirability was he willing to partner with us on the crumbs. Al ended up with a good portion of the crumbs. The price was established by collectors at auction, not by me. If you recall the first piece was entered by Al in partnership at a Blood auction with no minimum bid. By the way, It has been cleared with both Dr. Irving and Dr. Bunch for you to contact them in regards to previous statements you made that are in error. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From
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Adam, I'm glad to see this finally settled. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Anyone ever heard of this guy, is he a reputable dealer? Hi Mr, I'm a meteorites dealer from Morocco, i have good material for good prices ,please contact me if you are interested. Thanks Mohamed Ait Ouzrou Agadir 8 Morocco - Original Message - From: Paul Harris To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Dear List,We have had a request to create a page listing dates and info on all the World's Meteorite Shows.We would appreciate links to any lists and pages that you know of. Please reply off the list to[EMAIL PROTECTED]We'll make the page available from both The Meteorite Exchange and Meteorite-Times.Thank you!Paul__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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hi I received from him some emails last days. Including two with viruses :) I think that this is next guy that sells other moroccan dealers meteorites adding 300% provision to them :) And I never heard about any true meteorites comes from Agadir like from Rissani or Erfoud. But I like to watch their photos, its sometimes interesting also if prices are from space. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Hi Mr, I'm a meteorites dealer from Morocco, i have good material for good prices ,please contact me if you are interested. Thanks Mohamed Ait Ouzrou Agadir 8 Morocco - Original Message - From: Paul Harris To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 12:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows Dear List, We have had a request to create a page listing dates and info on all the World's Meteorite Shows. We would appreciate links to any lists and pages that you know of. Please reply off the list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll make the page available from both The Meteorite Exchange and Meteorite-Times. Thank you! Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] World's Meteorite Shows
Dear List, We have had a request to create a page listing dates and info on all the World's Meteorite Shows. We would appreciate links to any lists and pages that you know of. Please reply off the list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll make the page available from both The Meteorite Exchange and Meteorite-Times. Thank you! Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
