Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
I have a small "suspect" stone that will roll right off of a NDIB supermagnet if you set it on it and tilt the magnet a little, but I picked it up with my magnet cane. (??) I have two 2"x2"x1/4" NDIB supermagnets side by side on the head of the cane. When I found the little stone that day it was sitting up on the top of the magnets and right in the middle where the two magnets touched. I don't know squat about magnets but because of finding this little rock like that I have always wondered if the attraction is stronger when two flat magnets are touching each other on the edge more so than just one of those magnet's attraction by itself. I'm probably way out in left field on this. Maybe someone on the List can shoot down my theory so I can forget about that being the reason for picking up the stone. Mike in CO On May 24, 2011, at 9:41 AM, David Gunning wrote: Hi All, It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to that iron clad rule of thumb? I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear to be some sort of orientation striations. The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values usually associated with most meteorites. Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals as non-magnetic meteorites? Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite identification. All good regards, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi Ron, You said you haven't tested a meteorite yet that doesn't respond to a strong magnet. Does this include martians I assume? I tried attracting NWA 2975 to my big magnet, but it didn't show any attraction that I could notice. Of course, my specimen was quite small, so it may have been a metal-poor portion. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Ron Baalke wrote: > > It also depends on how strong your magnet is. A weak magnet may have > difficulty > being attracted to stony chondrites. My intial magnet test with Allende > failed, > until I switched to a stronger magnet. I haven't found a meteorite yet that > isn't > attracted to a strong magnet..but haven't tested for all types. > > Ron > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
It also depends on how strong your magnet is. A weak magnet may have difficulty being attracted to stony chondrites. My intial magnet test with Allende failed, until I switched to a stronger magnet. I haven't found a meteorite yet that isn't attracted to a strong magnet..but haven't tested for all types. Ron __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi David, Not all meteorites respond to a magnet. You very well could have a lunar, or one of the other classifications that have little if any metal in their petrology. You'll need to have it cut and a sample examined by an expert. Your "meteor wrong" just might be a rarer example of a "meteor right". Count Deiro Imca 3536 -Original Message- >From: David Gunning >Sent: May 24, 2011 8:41 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > >Hi All, > >It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying >degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to >that iron clad rule of thumb? > >I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear >to be some sort of orientation striations. > >The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values >usually associated with most meteorites. > >Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if >it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals >as non-magnetic meteorites? > >Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal >ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite >identification. > >All good regards, > >David Gunning > > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Don't forget that sometimes terrestrial rocks (not man-made) can show enough magnetic attraction to make you go "Hmmm", especially if it appears they show other meteoric characteristics, like something that appears to be fusion crust or flow lines. The local Hawaiian basalts have enough iron content to stick weakly to a magnet. Best! Tracy Latimer > > > > > >> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 > > >> From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net > > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > > >> > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > > >> degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > > >> that iron clad rule of thumb? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
I have a relatively fresh R-chondrite and it has absolutely no magnetic attraction. Really cool. My favorite meteorites are meteorites that look and are nothing like a typical meteorite. Greg S > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 12:32:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: stanleygr...@hotmail.com > CC: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Hi Greg and List, > > Thanks for bringing up eucrites and howardites. :) > > A while back, I was cutting a howardite stone for a friend, and I > noticed a big "ball bearing" metal inclusion. It was about 1cm in > diameter and it was visible on the surface of the stone, poking > through the crust. The majority of the stone showed almost no > attraction at all to a magnet, but that "ball bearing" stuck firmly to > the magnet. > > Pure basaltic eucrites typically show no attraction, but some > brecciated eucrites do have free metal content. Camel Donga also > comes to mind as a eucrite that shows a mild attraction to a magnet. > > I guess for those looking for a fool-proof magnetic litmus test to > seperate the wrongs from the 'rites must always be on their toes - > meteorites like to throw us curveballs to keep us honest. :) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > - > Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > - > > On 5/24/11, Thunder Stone wrote: > > > > David/List: > > I believe the following meteorites can have no, or negligible magnetic > > pull.RumurutiitesHowarditesEucrites - may have slight > > pullDiogenitesLunarsAubrites > > and perhaps Martian, but they may have a slight attraction > > Sounds very interesting > > Greg S > > > > ---- > >> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 > >> From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net > >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > >> degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > >> that iron clad rule of thumb? > >> > >> I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear > >> to be some sort of orientation striations. > >> > >> The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values > >> usually associated with most meteorites. > >> > >> Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if > >> it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals > >> as non-magnetic meteorites? > >> > >> Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal > >> ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite > >> identification. > >> > >> All good regards, > >> > >> David Gunning > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi Greg and List, Thanks for bringing up eucrites and howardites. :) A while back, I was cutting a howardite stone for a friend, and I noticed a big "ball bearing" metal inclusion. It was about 1cm in diameter and it was visible on the surface of the stone, poking through the crust. The majority of the stone showed almost no attraction at all to a magnet, but that "ball bearing" stuck firmly to the magnet. Pure basaltic eucrites typically show no attraction, but some brecciated eucrites do have free metal content. Camel Donga also comes to mind as a eucrite that shows a mild attraction to a magnet. I guess for those looking for a fool-proof magnetic litmus test to seperate the wrongs from the 'rites must always be on their toes - meteorites like to throw us curveballs to keep us honest. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Thunder Stone wrote: > > David/List: > I believe the following meteorites can have no, or negligible magnetic > pull.RumurutiitesHowarditesEucrites - may have slight > pullDiogenitesLunarsAubrites > and perhaps Martian, but they may have a slight attraction > Sounds very interesting > Greg S > > >> Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 >> From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? >> >> Hi All, >> >> It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying >> degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to >> that iron clad rule of thumb? >> >> I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear >> to be some sort of orientation striations. >> >> The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values >> usually associated with most meteorites. >> >> Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if >> it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals >> as non-magnetic meteorites? >> >> Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal >> ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite >> identification. >> >> All good regards, >> >> David Gunning >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
David/List: I believe the following meteorites can have no, or negligible magnetic pull.RumurutiitesHowarditesEucrites - may have slight pullDiogenitesLunarsAubrites and perhaps Martian, but they may have a slight attraction Sounds very interesting Greg S > Date: Tue, 24 May 2011 11:41:55 -0400 > From: davidgunn...@fairpoint.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites? > > Hi All, > > It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > that iron clad rule of thumb? > > I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear > to be some sort of orientation striations. > > The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values > usually associated with most meteorites. > > Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if > it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals > as non-magnetic meteorites? > > Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal > ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite > identification. > > All good regards, > > David Gunning > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi David, Yes, there are meteorites which show no visible attraction to a magnet. Such meteorites are in the minority, but they do exist. Some examples that come to mind are - some lunars, most martians, and some metal-poor achondrites like angrites and aubrites. Since meteorites are heterogeneous, there can be a wide degree of magnetic variation for one sample to the next, or from one region of a given sample to the next. For example, a metal-poor lunar stone may show no magnetic attraction over 90% of it's surface, but a bleb of free metal may exist inside the stone and that one spot will show some attraction. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, David Gunning wrote: > Hi All, > > It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying > degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to > that iron clad rule of thumb? > > I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear > to be some sort of orientation striations. > > The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values > usually associated with most meteorites. > > Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if > it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals > as non-magnetic meteorites? > > Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal > ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite > identification. > > All good regards, > > David Gunning > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] non-magnetic meteorites?
Hi All, It's commonly understood that all meteorites are magnetic to varying degrees, or so I've read. I'm wondering if there are any exceptions to that iron clad rule of thumb? I've a non-magnetic mineral specimen with a black crust and what appear to be some sort of orientation striations. The specific gravity of this specimen is lower than the range of values usually associated with most meteorites. Prolly a meteorwrong, I realize, but causes me to pause and wonder if it's within the realm of remote possibility that there are such animals as non-magnetic meteorites? Thanks for your indulgence in helping diminish a wealth of personal ignorance in the somewhat occasional arcane field of meteorite identification. All good regards, David Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
Good ole schizophrenia. How do you deal with it when it comes knocking? What do you say to a madman that insists he has a meteorite or tektite in hand when he's staring you in the eye at your front door raging in your face? It's very uncomfortable having to tell someone with a dozen pieces of plastic they found in their field after seeing lights drop them there, that they are only parts of old toys, even when you show them the identical rubber tractor toy wheels on a toy in your collection, from the 50's that must have washed out of a small garbage dump... gasp... After all the cards and flyers I've circulated they all know where I live so I must invite them in. The price we pay for science :) > From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net > To: carother...@gmail.com; magellon@gmail.com; > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 23:09:28 -0600 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites > > Hi, All, > > The ultimate in this kind of crazy thinking is the case of > Randolph Kirkpatrick. He was the assistant keeper of lower > invertebrates at the British Natural History Museum from > 1886 until his retirement in 1927 and made several valid > scientific discoveries. However, he had one immensely > crazy notion. > > In 1912, he published a book entitled "The Nummulosphere" > which put forward the theory that the entire Earth was formed > from the accumulation of the calcium shells of forams, like > the Nummulites, small creatures like the ones he'd spent a > lifetime studying. > > He believed everything geological -- basalts, red seafloor clays, > marble, granites, mountains -- everything was formed from > these little one-celled shelled organisms. It's crazy enough to > think the entire Earth was made out of them, but even better, > he apparently believed that the Earth GREW from a beginning > speck of water and nummulites into the planet of today, built > by the nummulites the way corals build a reef. > > Russell T. Wing, like Randolph Kirkpatrick, has one immensely > crazy idea. The key word there is ONE. What we have here are > monomaniacs. They do not "tenuously believe" their crazy notion. > For them, it is a burning luminous concept that commands belief. > > Monomaniacs are so obsessed with their one idea that it > overpowers every other thought and corrupts their judgment > until they believe it explains everything. I have no doubt that > if Wing got worse and worse, he would end up believing that the > Earth was made of accumulated Wingstars just as Kirkpatrick > believed the Earth was made of accumulated Nummulites! > > PS: I haven't read Russell Wing, so I don't know that he doesn't > already think that. If the Earth is covered with a huge number > of fresh Wingstars (like in his garden), why not? What better > explanation? The Earth is just a self-gravitating sphere of > accumulating Wingstars -- a Wingstarosphere! Someone should > suggest it to him. Would it be fun to push him over the edge? > Assuming he's not already there, that is. > > > Sterling K. Webb > -- > You can read about Kirkpatrick here: > http://books.google.com/books?id=ddpCtPz8D78C&pg=PA139&dq=NUMMULOSPHERE&ei=e2p_S6XMIKHWNJ3WzOcP&cd=5#v=onepage&q=NUMMULOSPHERE&f=false > ----- > - Original Message - > From: "dave carothers" > To: "Ken Newton" ; > > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites > > >> Ken >> >> You ask: "Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the >> owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert >> contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the >> thinking but I want >> to." >> >> I can only reply that people who think like this have rocks in their >> heads. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dave >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ken Newton" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites >> >> >>>>Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! >>> >>> I seem to encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such >>> dribble on regular basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of >>> meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as Harvey Nininger is to meteorite >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
James, I think we were with you on this. The truth is that saying meteorites stick to a magnet is generally correct but, there are exceptions to every rule. If you read Tony Irving's web site on Mars he is very clear that there are meteorites that we have yet to recognize. Included in the list are types that most classifiers would not even give a second look at. see web site linked here; http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm Tony mentions a number of rover discovered types of rocks on Mars including; Sedimentary rocks with hematite blueberries and lots of jarosite. Other igneous rocks like Adirondack which I think are andesites. Highly altered rocks like Mer sites on Mars and shergottites with hydrothermal alteration. None of these would be expected to stick to any magnet and the same thing goes for most if not all lunar meteorites. So, I never throw away anything without taking a very close look at it at home. And if you get serious about it you would not use a magnet at all. According to Tony the use of a magnet on any meteorite ruins the ability to even preform certain tests they like to do. Instead he recommends removal of a small piece of the meteorite for testing with a magnet so as not to contaminate the specimen. Obviously playing the numbers you will find more with a magnet but some can be found without a magnet. Fusion crust and morphology are important indicators of a space rock. I would highly recommend reading Tony's web site . Another must read is Randy Korotev's Lunar site. both are amazing. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax James Balister wrote: > What I am trying to say is that you can not be sure if a rock is or is not a > meteorite simply because a magnet will not stick to it! Not to forget that a > rare earth magnet has a stronger pull then a simple magnet. I am not talking > about having it checked out as to content. I am talking about finding one > with a magnet. I use a metal detecter, and sight when hunting. Then cut > them open to look for nickel. But the magnet test now seems up in the air as > far as a quick ID. I wonder how many rocks I just passed over simply > because the magnet did not stick! > > > > - Original Message > > From: Ken Newton > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 8:55:43 PM > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites > > > > >Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! > > I seem to > > encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such > dribble on regular > > basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of > meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as > > Harvey Nininger is to meteorite > enthusiasts. Here is an example from Wing's > > book:"This entire > experience seemed incredible and unbelievable. How could a > > small > collection of stones - not over 100 - and over half of them picked > > up > out of my rock garden in 1969, produce 25 earth-type quartz > > meteorites > when never before had a quartz meteorite been known! ... But > > in this > investigation, the unthinkable thing seems to be the common thing. > > And > again, after thinking things over, my unbelievable collection > > of > quartz meteorites needed to balance it off; they simply could not > > be > alone. There must also be many other kinds of meteorites here if > > my > quartz ones were authentic." > > And Wing goes on to 'discover' > > 'authentic' meteoritic petrified wood > and meteoritic fossils, etc. The > > wingstars were everywhere! All you > have to do is look! > > Yikes! > > Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's > > rock > HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted > > has > told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I > > want > to. > > kn > > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Balister > > <> href="mailto:balisterja...@att.net";>balisterja...@att.net> wrote: > > > > On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non > > magnetic and > > seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How > > did > > they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? > > Could > > that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because they > > are > > oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps many > > meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at >
Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
Hi, All, The ultimate in this kind of crazy thinking is the case of Randolph Kirkpatrick. He was the assistant keeper of lower invertebrates at the British Natural History Museum from 1886 until his retirement in 1927 and made several valid scientific discoveries. However, he had one immensely crazy notion. In 1912, he published a book entitled "The Nummulosphere" which put forward the theory that the entire Earth was formed from the accumulation of the calcium shells of forams, like the Nummulites, small creatures like the ones he'd spent a lifetime studying. He believed everything geological -- basalts, red seafloor clays, marble, granites, mountains -- everything was formed from these little one-celled shelled organisms. It's crazy enough to think the entire Earth was made out of them, but even better, he apparently believed that the Earth GREW from a beginning speck of water and nummulites into the planet of today, built by the nummulites the way corals build a reef. Russell T. Wing, like Randolph Kirkpatrick, has one immensely crazy idea. The key word there is ONE. What we have here are monomaniacs. They do not "tenuously believe" their crazy notion. For them, it is a burning luminous concept that commands belief. Monomaniacs are so obsessed with their one idea that it overpowers every other thought and corrupts their judgment until they believe it explains everything. I have no doubt that if Wing got worse and worse, he would end up believing that the Earth was made of accumulated Wingstars just as Kirkpatrick believed the Earth was made of accumulated Nummulites! PS: I haven't read Russell Wing, so I don't know that he doesn't already think that. If the Earth is covered with a huge number of fresh Wingstars (like in his garden), why not? What better explanation? The Earth is just a self-gravitating sphere of accumulating Wingstars -- a Wingstarosphere! Someone should suggest it to him. Would it be fun to push him over the edge? Assuming he's not already there, that is. Sterling K. Webb -- You can read about Kirkpatrick here: http://books.google.com/books?id=ddpCtPz8D78C&pg=PA139&dq=NUMMULOSPHERE&ei=e2p_S6XMIKHWNJ3WzOcP&cd=5#v=onepage&q=NUMMULOSPHERE&f=false - - Original Message - From: "dave carothers" To: "Ken Newton" ; Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites Ken You ask: "Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I want to." I can only reply that people who think like this have rocks in their heads. Regards, Dave - Original Message ----- From: "Ken Newton" To: Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites >Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! I seem to encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such dribble on regular basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as Harvey Nininger is to meteorite enthusiasts. Here is an example from Wing's book:"This entire experience seemed incredible and unbelievable. How could a small collection of stones - not over 100 - and over half of them picked up out of my rock garden in 1969, produce 25 earth-type quartz meteorites when never before had a quartz meteorite been known! ... But in this investigation, the unthinkable thing seems to be the common thing. And again, after thinking things over, my unbelievable collection of quartz meteorites needed to balance it off; they simply could not be alone. There must also be many other kinds of meteorites here if my quartz ones were authentic." And Wing goes on to 'discover' 'authentic' meteoritic petrified wood and meteoritic fossils, etc. The wingstars were everywhere! All you have to do is look! Yikes! Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I want to. kn On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Balister wrote: On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non magnetic and seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How did they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? Could that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because they are oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were met
Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
What I am trying to say is that you can not be sure if a rock is or is not a meteorite simply because a magnet will not stick to it! Not to forget that a rare earth magnet has a stronger pull then a simple magnet. I am not talking about having it checked out as to content. I am talking about finding one with a magnet. I use a metal detecter, and sight when hunting. Then cut them open to look for nickel. But the magnet test now seems up in the air as far as a quick ID. I wonder how many rocks I just passed over simply because the magnet did not stick! - Original Message > From: Ken Newton > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 8:55:43 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites > > >Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! I seem to > encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such dribble on regular > basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as > Harvey Nininger is to meteorite enthusiasts. Here is an example from Wing's > book:"This entire experience seemed incredible and unbelievable. How could a > small collection of stones - not over 100 - and over half of them picked > up out of my rock garden in 1969, produce 25 earth-type quartz > meteorites when never before had a quartz meteorite been known! ... But > in this investigation, the unthinkable thing seems to be the common thing. > And again, after thinking things over, my unbelievable collection > of quartz meteorites needed to balance it off; they simply could not > be alone. There must also be many other kinds of meteorites here if > my quartz ones were authentic." And Wing goes on to 'discover' > 'authentic' meteoritic petrified wood and meteoritic fossils, etc. The > wingstars were everywhere! All you have to do is look! > Yikes! Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's > rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted > has told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I > want to. kn On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Balister > <> href="mailto:balisterja...@att.net";>balisterja...@att.net> wrote: > > On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non magnetic > and > seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How did > they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? Could > that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because they > are > oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps many > meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > ymailto="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"; > href="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com";>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit > the Archives at > > href="http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html"; > target=_blank > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list > mailing list > href="mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com";>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > href="http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list"; target=_blank > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ken You ask: "Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I want to." I can only reply that people who think like this have rocks in their heads. Regards, Dave - Original Message - From: "Ken Newton" To: Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites >Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! I seem to encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such dribble on regular basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as Harvey Nininger is to meteorite enthusiasts. Here is an example from Wing's book:"This entire experience seemed incredible and unbelievable. How could a small collection of stones - not over 100 - and over half of them picked up out of my rock garden in 1969, produce 25 earth-type quartz meteorites when never before had a quartz meteorite been known! ... But in this investigation, the unthinkable thing seems to be the common thing. And again, after thinking things over, my unbelievable collection of quartz meteorites needed to balance it off; they simply could not be alone. There must also be many other kinds of meteorites here if my quartz ones were authentic." And Wing goes on to 'discover' 'authentic' meteoritic petrified wood and meteoritic fossils, etc. The wingstars were everywhere! All you have to do is look! Yikes! Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I want to. kn On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Balister wrote: On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non magnetic and seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How did they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? Could that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because they are oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
>Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! I seem to encounter misguided individuals who tenuously believe such dribble on regular basis. Russell T Wing is the exemplar of meteorwrong 'wingnuts' just as Harvey Nininger is to meteorite enthusiasts. Here is an example from Wing's book:"This entire experience seemed incredible and unbelievable. How could a small collection of stones - not over 100 - and over half of them picked up out of my rock garden in 1969, produce 25 earth-type quartz meteorites when never before had a quartz meteorite been known! ... But in this investigation, the unthinkable thing seems to be the common thing. And again, after thinking things over, my unbelievable collection of quartz meteorites needed to balance it off; they simply could not be alone. There must also be many other kinds of meteorites here if my quartz ones were authentic." And Wing goes on to 'discover' 'authentic' meteoritic petrified wood and meteoritic fossils, etc. The wingstars were everywhere! All you have to do is look! Yikes! Can anyone explain this dogged type thinking? That the owner's rock HAS TO BE a meteorite despite the fact that every expert contacted has told them differently. I just don't understand the thinking but I want to. kn On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM, James Balister wrote: > On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non magnetic > and seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How > did they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? > Could that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because > they are oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps > many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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James, The link below shows everything you want to know about this meteorite. Says Moapa CM1 meteorite has 28% Fe and only 1.6% nickel but has NO attraction to a magnet. very cool though. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/NEVADAMETEORITE_%26_SCIENCE_Ralph_Sonny_Clary.html Carl. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax James Balister wrote: > On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non magnetic > and seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How > did they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? > Could that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because > they are oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps > many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Non magnetic meteorites
On the meteorite men Jeff and Steve showed a meteorite that was non magnetic and seemed to have no iron at all. Anyone know if it had nickel in it? How did they determin it was a meteorite? Has anyone ever heard of wingstars? Could that stone be a wingstar? Wingstars have always interested me because they are oriented and look just like a meteorite but lack ni/fe. Perhaps many meteorwrongs actually were meteorites! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
