Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
I'm sorry you seem to have issues with the IMCA Dan but if you have problems you could easily approach the association to report any concerns. I'm wondering if this has something to do with you being removed from the IMCA in the past and denied re-entry again last week? It would seem to me that the timing is ironic. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not Hi Dan, What was the response of the IMCA when you filed a complaint with them? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
No jeff, the only coincidence is that you would respond to me now after ignoring me for several weeks and multiple attempts in contacting you who is the vice president of IMCA and you who are the one who told me to re-apply when i approached IMCA to ask for my membership back.. and since you want to bring up my personal business in the forum why not explain why my IMCA membership was revoked to begin with.. i refused to refund somebody a lost package and that was my policy i stated in my listing 5 years ago that if iyou do not pay for insurance i cannot be responsible for lost packages as it was costing me too much money to refund every single person who claimed they lost a package. This year in 2011 i emailed IMCA to ask if i can have my memership back and you yourself said i can re-apply and was very helpful at first and told me i need to get 2 recoommendations. I got 3 recommendations from Gary Fujihara, Jack Lacroix, and Brandon Dunovant.. then when i asked to confirm if these recommendations came in i got a response and then later i was completely ignored for several weeks. Only after a few people contacted anne black in regards to this matter did i get response o.k. so the intergrity of IMCA is already in question in my mind. This issue i had with Bryan Scarborough is 100% real and has nothing to do with me not getting my membership and for you the vice president of IMCA to sit here and accuse me of lying is ridiculous. I have all the emails from Bryan Scarborough to prove this i have all the reciepts of the money i sent him.. i have everything i need to make accusations... so because you to ignored me for 3 weeks is the main reason why i did not bother contacting you again about an IMCA member... i could care less about the problems you have with your IMCA members selling fake items i just want my money back. Anne Black the president of IMCA and your boss also emailed all the IMCA members that she is aware of FAKE meteorites being sold by various IMCA members one of which is Bryan Scarborough who i had the misfortune of dealing with. You bringing up my IMCA application in a public forum is inappropriate and i have zero respect for you and for IMCA because you are the vice president of IMCA and you felt the need to accuse me of lying and bring up my personal business in public. You are trying to make me look bad when i have no problem admitting i was removed from IMCA in 2005 for not refunding a lost package i never once sold anything fake and i never once misrepresented anything. I am currently operating under new business policies that i am self insuring myself and i am paying for large orders to be insured out of my own pocket. I would not have re-applied to IMCA if you hadn't suggested i do so.. and to be frank you with Jeff Kyuken i regret taking your advice because the level of service and treatment i recieved from you and other board members was less than standard and i have recieved better service from McDonalds. You are aware of IMCA members who sell fake items several complaints have been made about the legitimitacy of certain items being sold and yet nothing has been done... I on the other hand refused to refund a lost package and i lose my membership... how am i supposed to view IMCA? put yourself in my shoes and especially now with the recent dealings with Bryan Scarborough who is being investigated by private members of the community who have quit IMCA and want to clean up the mess of fake items being sold on the market. So i take great offence in being accused of making this up and if i wanted to bring up the issue i have with IMCA in regards to being treated like a second class citizen i would of done it regardless if i got ripped off by an IMCA member or not.. but i have integrity a word that i would not use to describe IMCA and some of its members. I would like to apologize to legitimate IMCA members out there as i know IMCA stands for something great but since the Vice President of your organization wants to accuse me of being a liar because they refused me membership i decided to tell my side of the story. Furthermore, in regards to me not getting my application approved this time around Anne Black your president told me that somebody complained about the way i asked them for a recommendation and therefore you and the rest of the baord members discounted my 3 solid recommendations from 3 respectable members of the community who i have done business with all of which were surprised that i was declined... thanks for letting me have a chance to tell my side of the story Jeff Kyuken i appreciate it. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
Hi Dan, I'm not about to be dragged into a debate with you and do not have time to read another long-winded IMCA bashing email. As I told you, I was away for the month of May on a meteorite hunt at Whitecourt and travelling in the US with no access to usual email. Your application was handled in usual time-frames and other Board members tried to help in my absence. I even took the time to discuss your case with Anne in-person while I was in Denver! What else do you want? I have always given you nothing but total courtesy and plenty of my time in helping explain how to re-apply. Unfortunately you seem to see it differently and that is all I have to say on the issue. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member No jeff, the only coincidence is that you would respond to me now after ignoring me for several weeks and multiple attempts in contacting you who is the vice president of IMCA and you who are the one who told me to re-apply when i approached IMCA to ask for my membership back.. and since you want to bring up my personal business in the forum why not explain why my IMCA membership was revoked to begin with.. i refused to refund somebody a lost package and that was my policy i stated in my listing 5 years ago that if iyou do not pay for insurance i cannot be responsible for lost packages as it was costing me too much money to refund every single person who claimed they lost a package. This year in 2011 i emailed IMCA to ask if i can have my memership back and you yourself said i can re-apply and was very helpful at first and told me i need to get 2 recoommendations. I got 3 recommendations from Gary Fujihara, Jack Lacroix, and Brandon Dunovant.. then when i asked to confirm if these recommendations came in i got a response and then later i was completely ignored for several weeks. Only after a few people contacted anne black in regards to this matter did i get response o.k. so the intergrity of IMCA is already in question in my mind. This issue i had with Bryan Scarborough is 100% real and has nothing to do with me not getting my membership and for you the vice president of IMCA to sit here and accuse me of lying is ridiculous. I have all the emails from Bryan Scarborough to prove this i have all the reciepts of the money i sent him.. i have everything i need to make accusations... so because you to ignored me for 3 weeks is the main reason why i did not bother contacting you again about an IMCA member... i could care less about the problems you have with your IMCA members selling fake items i just want my money back. Anne Black the president of IMCA and your boss also emailed all the IMCA members that she is aware of FAKE meteorites being sold by various IMCA members one of which is Bryan Scarborough who i had the misfortune of dealing with. You bringing up my IMCA application in a public forum is inappropriate and i have zero respect for you and for IMCA because you are the vice president of IMCA and you felt the need to accuse me of lying and bring up my personal business in public. You are trying to make me look bad when i have no problem admitting i was removed from IMCA in 2005 for not refunding a lost package i never once sold anything fake and i never once misrepresented anything. I am currently operating under new business policies that i am self insuring myself and i am paying for large orders to be insured out of my own pocket. I would not have re-applied to IMCA if you hadn't suggested i do so.. and to be frank you with Jeff Kyuken i regret taking your advice because the level of service and treatment i recieved from you and other board members was less than standard and i have recieved better service from McDonalds. You are aware of IMCA members who sell fake items several complaints have been made about the legitimitacy of certain items being sold and yet nothing has been done... I on the other hand refused to refund a lost package and i lose my membership... how am i supposed to view IMCA? put yourself in my shoes and especially now with the recent dealings with Bryan Scarborough who is being investigated by private members of the community who have quit IMCA and want to clean up the mess of fake items being sold on the market. So i take great offence in being accused of making this up and if i wanted to bring up the issue i have with IMCA in regards to being treated like a second class citizen i would of done it regardless if i got ripped off by an IMCA member or not.. but i have integrity a word that i would not use to describe IMCA and some of its members. I would like to apologize to legitimate IMCA members out there as i know IMCA stands for something great but since the Vice President of your organization wants to accuse me of being a liar because
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
Who is dragging you into anything you are the one who started this.. im the one who got ripped off not you.. you are the one who chose to call it ironic that this happend at the same time i re-applied.. i had no problems keeping my personal business personal but you seemed to have the need to bring it up in public for no reason and you could of asked me for some facts which i have provided you with off the list... before trying to discredit me and my good name you could of simply emailed me off the list but you chose to respond in an unprofessional manner .. not very professional behavior from the Vice President of IMCA.. it is very serious when there are people abusing their IMCA memberships you and i both know i never abused anything and i decided to stand behind my policy five years ago knowing full well that my membership was going to be taken away, i chose to stand behind my policy and that was my choice five years ago., me not getting my membership and being treated poorly as well as unfairly is one thing.. but having people selling fakes is very serious and this is not something new Jeff, IMCA has been aware for some time.. but now when lab reports proof all the claims that have been made something is being done... anyways i would like to inform everybody that Bryan Scarborough has offered me a full refund and has provided me with good customer service, this still does not justify his careless behavior and i personally will never buy anything for him again or sell him anything either. And i will let the people in the community decide whether or not your post in response to my original post is appropriate as i have done nothing wrong except bring up an issue of getting ripped off I will continue to defend myself especially when falsely accused by the vice president of IMCA of possibly making this up and i will copy and paste your exact words so there is no confusion and i quote you directly insinuating that i may be making this stuff up because i am holding a grudge against IMCA quote: I'm wondering if this has something to do with you being removed from the IMCA in the past and denied re-entry again last week? It would seem to me that the timing is ironic. those are your words not mine Jeff and you phrased what you are trying to say very eloquently and i have provided you with the information you needed to prove i am telling the truth and i think you owe me an apology for bringing up my IMCA application in public and i want to drop this issue i just dont want people to think i am the bad guy in this whole ordeal, the only reason i am knocking IMCA is because you insinuate i am a liar and you bring up my business from five years ago in public to discredit me and my good name and you mention my re-application which is a completely separate issue and off topic.. and the reason you mention these things is to say I am complaining about getting ripped off because i didn't get a membership.. that doesn't make sense Jeff and maybe i am not understanding your original post. But if you ask me you acted in haste and responded to a serious post inappropriately and i am not afraid to point out the facts and clear up any misunderstandings. As we have cleared up most of this issue privately already i still feel you need to make a public apology for insinuating things about me and suggesting i may have ulterior motives in making a legitimate claim. I am leaving the choice to you as i am done talking about this but i will continue to defend myself if necessary. Daniel Furlan collector and Dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
