Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
Hi Adam and List, Good point about sanding and polishing. I own a 6-inch lap saw, but I do not own a lap polisher. I do all of my polishing by hand, going through progressive grits from 100/200 to 1500 and then finishing with rouge. It's VERY labor intensive and can require several hours of work to finish a single slice. Taking that labor into account (and the cost of sandpaper, which adds up), it doesn't make financial sense for me to polish meteorites like NWA 869 or other common, low-cost specimens. To make it worth my while, I'd have to charge $2-$3/g and nobody is going to pay that for NWA 869, no matter how good my polishing job is. So, I sell the majority of my cuts without a polish. Also, because I sell many slices without a polish, I try to make my initial cuts as neat as possible, so I don't leave behind many unsightly saw marks. When I cut for other people, I inform them that the polish job will make up the bulk of the price I charge, in terms of labor. I can slice up a small golfball-sized stone in a few minutes, but the polishing can take many hours, spread out over days of work. Needless to say, my cutting fees are very reasonable, but if the customer wants a polish job on the same pieces, the price goes up substantially. One of these days, I'll get off my arse and invest in a lap polisher. Then, every cut I sell will be polished, even the cheap/common stuff. FWIW - I HATE HATE HATE seeing sealer or lacquer on an unpolished specimen! It says to me that the cutter doesn't care about their work or the cutter is taking short-cuts (pun intended). Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, Adam Hupe wrote: > It seems the other half of the equation is being overlooked. Do not forget > about > polishing which is even more important than the cut as far as future > preservation and appearance are concerned. > > It seems a lot of material being offered these days has no polish at all. > Even > worse is that some are coated with lacquer to hide the saw marks. The more > the > surface area is reduced through rigorous polishing, the less chance of > moisture > being trapped. A saw that leaves grooves, be it a wire or radial type, will > increase loss by as much as 20% if both sides have to be finished afterward. > It > does no good to cut at .004 when the media drifts side to side creating > unsightly grooves. Any material preserved during the cut using an > ultra-thin > blade or wire may be lost in the polishing process. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
It seems the other half of the equation is being overlooked. Do not forget about polishing which is even more important than the cut as far as future preservation and appearance are concerned. It seems a lot of material being offered these days has no polish at all. Even worse is that some are coated with lacquer to hide the saw marks. The more the surface area is reduced through rigorous polishing, the less chance of moisture being trapped. A saw that leaves grooves, be it a wire or radial type, will increase loss by as much as 20% if both sides have to be finished afterward. It does no good to cut at .004 when the media drifts side to side creating unsightly grooves. Any material preserved during the cut using an ultra-thin blade or wire may be lost in the polishing process. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
Interesting discussion regarding cutting. I did not realize the equipment can be so expensive. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Michael Gilmer" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?) Hi Matt, That is one impressive piece of machinery. At $65k, I think I'll wait until Christmas-time to ask for one. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I have a photo of a multi-wire saw we sometimes use on Kerfindustries.com (a business of mine). The one we own is a single wire saw that costs about 65k new. Coolant can be either distilled water, distilled water with a surfactant (for wire longevity), alcohol (yes!!), mineral oil, or compressed air (difficult). The coolant is fed by a standard pond circulation pump into the saw and is recycled. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:50:04 To: Cc: ; Greg Hupe; ; André Moutinho Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?) Hi Matt, Thanks for the explanation. Do you have a photo of the wire-saw setup, or is there a photo of one somewhere on the web? I'm curious to see what it looks like. Being able to cut a large 6x6x18 specimen using a wire as thin as .009" is a definite advantage over using a conventional lap saw that is big enough to handle a specimen that large. I am assuming the wire-saw also uses a coolant? Does it have a big tank for the coolant or can you hook it up directly to a water source like a tap? Sorry for all the questions. It's late, I'm bored, and I'm curious. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: We can cut a 6" x 6 " x 18" piece with a 250 um wire. A skinny lap blade that is 6", you can cut 3", maybe, if you don't use a rotisserie. 250 um is 0.009". On avg we lose 9 percent, but that depends on the depth of cut, thickness of cut, wire diameter, material, etc. It definitely has advantages over a lap saw. I have cut hundreds of meteorites over my 15+ years and really like the wire saw for rare materials. Plus it is pretty easy to mount an odd-shaped rock on the wire saw as compared to a vise on the lap saw, wich can be VERY problematic. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:28:02 To: Greg Hupe Cc: ; André Moutinho Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over blade?) Hi List, Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used a wire saw or seen one in operation. I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped "saw marks" on the specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is in direction relation to the size of the saw being used and the thickness of the blade - assuming the cutter is skilled. A wire saw might generate less waste in comparison to a 10" lap saw using a .040" blade, but I don't see how the wire saw can generate less waste than a smaller lap saw using a blade that is the same thickness as the wire used in a wire saw. All things
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
Hi Matt, That is one impressive piece of machinery. At $65k, I think I'll wait until Christmas-time to ask for one. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: > I have a photo of a multi-wire saw we sometimes use on Kerfindustries.com (a > business of mine). The one we own is a single wire saw that costs about 65k > new. > > Coolant can be either distilled water, distilled water with a surfactant > (for wire longevity), alcohol (yes!!), mineral oil, or compressed air > (difficult). The coolant is fed by a standard pond circulation pump into the > saw and is recycled. > Matt > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Gilmer > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:50:04 > To: > Cc: ; Greg > Hupe; ; André > Moutinho > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire > overblade?) > > Hi Matt, > > Thanks for the explanation. Do you have a photo of the wire-saw > setup, or is there a photo of one somewhere on the web? I'm curious > to see what it looks like. > > Being able to cut a large 6x6x18 specimen using a wire as thin as > .009" is a definite advantage over using a conventional lap saw that > is big enough to handle a specimen that large. > > I am assuming the wire-saw also uses a coolant? Does it have a big > tank for the coolant or can you hook it up directly to a water source > like a tap? > > Sorry for all the questions. It's late, I'm bored, and I'm curious. :) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > -- > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > --- > > > > On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: >> We can cut a 6" x 6 " x 18" piece with a 250 um wire. A skinny lap blade >> that is 6", you can cut 3", maybe, if you don't use a rotisserie. >> 250 um is 0.009". On avg we lose 9 percent, but that depends on the depth >> of >> cut, thickness of cut, wire diameter, material, etc. It definitely has >> advantages over a lap saw. I have cut hundreds of meteorites over my 15+ >> years and really like the wire saw for rare materials. Plus it is pretty >> easy to mount an odd-shaped rock on the wire saw as compared to a vise on >> the lap saw, wich can be VERY problematic. >> Matt >> >> Matt Morgan >> Mile High Meteorites >> http://www.mhmeteorites.com >> P.O. Box 151293 >> Lakewood, CO 80215 >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Gilmer >> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:28:02 >> To: Greg Hupe >> Cc: ; André >> Moutinho >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over >> blade?) >> >> Hi List, >> >> Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over >> a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used >> a wire saw or seen one in operation. >> >> I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any >> different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor >> difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished >> slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped "saw marks" on the >> specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that >> I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in >> depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. >> >> So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, >> compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is >> in direction relation to th
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
Michael, Greg, Matt.. Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used a wire saw or seen one in operation. === difference ? None :) Both cut good. hehe ok Diamond blades: + very low cost + You can cut in Your basement - You must use for most cases water as a coolant - bigger specimen, need bigger and more thick blade = more cut looses - its difficult to cut all slices with same thickness, cut slice from endpiece Wire saw : + You can cut DRY ! + You can cut very precise, very thin and soft material + You can cut large specimens with thin wire - very expensive (saw, wire and then cutting hour) - u cant cut by Yourself (for discussion) - its not *optimal* for cheap material so for most meteorites You can have I many times asked myself what to do and I send only ONCE specimen for wire saw and it was D'Orbigny :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
I have a photo of a multi-wire saw we sometimes use on Kerfindustries.com (a business of mine). The one we own is a single wire saw that costs about 65k new. Coolant can be either distilled water, distilled water with a surfactant (for wire longevity), alcohol (yes!!), mineral oil, or compressed air (difficult). The coolant is fed by a standard pond circulation pump into the saw and is recycled. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:50:04 To: Cc: ; Greg Hupe; ; André Moutinho Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?) Hi Matt, Thanks for the explanation. Do you have a photo of the wire-saw setup, or is there a photo of one somewhere on the web? I'm curious to see what it looks like. Being able to cut a large 6x6x18 specimen using a wire as thin as .009" is a definite advantage over using a conventional lap saw that is big enough to handle a specimen that large. I am assuming the wire-saw also uses a coolant? Does it have a big tank for the coolant or can you hook it up directly to a water source like a tap? Sorry for all the questions. It's late, I'm bored, and I'm curious. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: > We can cut a 6" x 6 " x 18" piece with a 250 um wire. A skinny lap blade > that is 6", you can cut 3", maybe, if you don't use a rotisserie. > 250 um is 0.009". On avg we lose 9 percent, but that depends on the depth of > cut, thickness of cut, wire diameter, material, etc. It definitely has > advantages over a lap saw. I have cut hundreds of meteorites over my 15+ > years and really like the wire saw for rare materials. Plus it is pretty > easy to mount an odd-shaped rock on the wire saw as compared to a vise on > the lap saw, wich can be VERY problematic. > Matt > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Gilmer > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:28:02 > To: Greg Hupe > Cc: ; André > Moutinho > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over > blade?) > > Hi List, > > Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over > a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used > a wire saw or seen one in operation. > > I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any > different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor > difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished > slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped "saw marks" on the > specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that > I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in > depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. > > So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, > compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is > in direction relation to the size of the saw being used and the > thickness of the blade - assuming the cutter is skilled. A wire saw > might generate less waste in comparison to a 10" lap saw using a .040" > blade, but I don't see how the wire saw can generate less waste than a > smaller lap saw using a blade that is the same thickness as the wire > used in a wire saw. All things being equal, shouldn't the amount of > loss be dependent almost solely on the thickness of the blade or wire > used? > > I am guessing that the main advantage is cutting large specimens - a > large specimen requires a large lap saw and a large blade. If a > specimen can only be cut on a 10 or 12" lap saw, or a wire saw, then > the wire saw seems like a no-brainer. But for a smaller meteorite > that can be cut with a .012" blade (or .006"), what is the advantage > of the wire saw? Can the wire saw make thinner slices? > > I'm not knocking the wire saw, just trying to understand the > advantages over a conventional lap saw. > > Best regard
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
Hi Matt, Thanks for the explanation. Do you have a photo of the wire-saw setup, or is there a photo of one somewhere on the web? I'm curious to see what it looks like. Being able to cut a large 6x6x18 specimen using a wire as thin as .009" is a definite advantage over using a conventional lap saw that is big enough to handle a specimen that large. I am assuming the wire-saw also uses a coolant? Does it have a big tank for the coolant or can you hook it up directly to a water source like a tap? Sorry for all the questions. It's late, I'm bored, and I'm curious. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: > We can cut a 6" x 6 " x 18" piece with a 250 um wire. A skinny lap blade > that is 6", you can cut 3", maybe, if you don't use a rotisserie. > 250 um is 0.009". On avg we lose 9 percent, but that depends on the depth of > cut, thickness of cut, wire diameter, material, etc. It definitely has > advantages over a lap saw. I have cut hundreds of meteorites over my 15+ > years and really like the wire saw for rare materials. Plus it is pretty > easy to mount an odd-shaped rock on the wire saw as compared to a vise on > the lap saw, wich can be VERY problematic. > Matt > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Gilmer > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:28:02 > To: Greg Hupe > Cc: ; André > Moutinho > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over > blade?) > > Hi List, > > Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over > a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used > a wire saw or seen one in operation. > > I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any > different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor > difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished > slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped "saw marks" on the > specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that > I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in > depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. > > So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, > compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is > in direction relation to the size of the saw being used and the > thickness of the blade - assuming the cutter is skilled. A wire saw > might generate less waste in comparison to a 10" lap saw using a .040" > blade, but I don't see how the wire saw can generate less waste than a > smaller lap saw using a blade that is the same thickness as the wire > used in a wire saw. All things being equal, shouldn't the amount of > loss be dependent almost solely on the thickness of the blade or wire > used? > > I am guessing that the main advantage is cutting large specimens - a > large specimen requires a large lap saw and a large blade. If a > specimen can only be cut on a 10 or 12" lap saw, or a wire saw, then > the wire saw seems like a no-brainer. But for a smaller meteorite > that can be cut with a .012" blade (or .006"), what is the advantage > of the wire saw? Can the wire saw make thinner slices? > > I'm not knocking the wire saw, just trying to understand the > advantages over a conventional lap saw. > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > -- > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > --- > > On 3/10/11, Greg Hupe wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> I don't think the value per gram is the only consideration for deciding >> to >> hire someone to cut your mate
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
We can cut a 6" x 6 " x 18" piece with a 250 um wire. A skinny lap blade that is 6", you can cut 3", maybe, if you don't use a rotisserie. 250 um is 0.009". On avg we lose 9 percent, but that depends on the depth of cut, thickness of cut, wire diameter, material, etc. It definitely has advantages over a lap saw. I have cut hundreds of meteorites over my 15+ years and really like the wire saw for rare materials. Plus it is pretty easy to mount an odd-shaped rock on the wire saw as compared to a vise on the lap saw, wich can be VERY problematic. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:28:02 To: Greg Hupe Cc: ; André Moutinho Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over blade?) Hi List, Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used a wire saw or seen one in operation. I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped "saw marks" on the specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is in direction relation to the size of the saw being used and the thickness of the blade - assuming the cutter is skilled. A wire saw might generate less waste in comparison to a 10" lap saw using a .040" blade, but I don't see how the wire saw can generate less waste than a smaller lap saw using a blade that is the same thickness as the wire used in a wire saw. All things being equal, shouldn't the amount of loss be dependent almost solely on the thickness of the blade or wire used? I am guessing that the main advantage is cutting large specimens - a large specimen requires a large lap saw and a large blade. If a specimen can only be cut on a 10 or 12" lap saw, or a wire saw, then the wire saw seems like a no-brainer. But for a smaller meteorite that can be cut with a .012" blade (or .006"), what is the advantage of the wire saw? Can the wire saw make thinner slices? I'm not knocking the wire saw, just trying to understand the advantages over a conventional lap saw. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hello All, > > I don't think the value per gram is the only consideration for deciding to > hire someone to cut your material with a wire saw. I am selling slices of my > Impact Melt Breccia for $7.50 per gram. It isn't really about how expensive > the material is, sometimes it is the quality of the slices and presentation > for collectors that is even more important! > > Just my 2 slices worth... :) > > Best Regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > gmh...@centurylink.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > ======== > > -Original Message- > From: André Moutinho > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:59 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > > Hello, > > Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a > 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? > > Thanks! > Andre >__ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at
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Judging from everything I have heard, from several different people with experience, cutting irons seems like a major PITA. I have the utmost respect for those who specialize in cutting and preparing irons. Taking into account the time, labor, and expense, it's amazing that anyone even bothers with cutting irons. I don't see how a person could make a profit (or break even) cutting most irons. Like Marcin said earlier, who the heck is going to slice up a big Campo? The resulting slices wouldn't pay for the destroyed blades/wire and many hours of labor. For folks like Mike Miller and Mirko Graul, who prepare gorgeous iron slices - my hat is off to you. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: > The optimal wire thickness for cutting stony meteorites to produce the > straightest cuts and longest wire life is about 250 um (that includes the > diamond coating on the wire). This is from my own experience. I can cut with > 150 um wire, if needed. I stopped cutting irons and pallasites on the wire > saw since it wasn't very cost effective for me or the customer. Plus they > are a total pain in the butt. > Matt > > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 > > -Original Message- > From: "Marcin Cimala" > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:11:41 > To: > Reply-To: Marcin Cimala > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > > Hi List > I like to pay Your attention that diamnond wire saw is not best method for > irons. Much better idea how to cut irons (exclude pallasites) is EDM - > Electrical Discharge Machining > http://www.wireedm.com/wireedm.htm > http://www.mech.kuleuven.be/pp/research/edm > This can cut everything what conduct voltage, so graphite, iron or diamonds > :) I remember photo of Canyon Diablo badly cut around nano diamond rich > nodule, becouse it was impossible to cut using conventional methods. For EDM > it could be easy. > Also in diamond wire saw You can't use very thin wires for irons becouse it > will simply tear off very fast. Maybe Mr Morgan can tell what thickness he > usualy use for most irons vs stones? In EDM equipment I use wolfram wire > have 0.12mm thickness. In diamond wire saw u can't even think about this > thickness. > > Diamond wire cutting is perrfect for stony meteorites or pallasites. But for > irons I want suggest EDM as a preffered method. > Ofcourse there is alvays one "but"... > > What material You want to cut (how expensive and how big). > Becouse cutting 5kg Campo will be also expensive and take many hours of > cutting, and every hour cost. Anyway I dont see a sense of cutting campo not > matter why :D > In EDM You can very precise cut thick slice of historic iron into two > thinner slices or cut small (lets say up to 500g) irons all types. > There is also problem how to find good place to cut becouse this equipment > is much more expensive than diamond wire saw, so not everyone will like to > waste *expensive* time of his machine to cut strange piece of crap that some > freak bring to him. > > Anyway from my personal experience, if I can choose cutting iron for free on > my diamond saw (not wire) or pay for EDM I choose ofcourse second option. I > have less cut loses not only from cutting , but also from grinding becouse > slices are much more flat than from typical diamond blade. Ofcourse diamond > wire saw will make same flat surface as EDM but for me is much more > expensive, something like 5x :) so calculations are simple. > > -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- > http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl > http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com > http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 > [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over blade?)
Hi List, Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used a wire saw or seen one in operation. I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped "saw marks" on the specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is in direction relation to the size of the saw being used and the thickness of the blade - assuming the cutter is skilled. A wire saw might generate less waste in comparison to a 10" lap saw using a .040" blade, but I don't see how the wire saw can generate less waste than a smaller lap saw using a blade that is the same thickness as the wire used in a wire saw. All things being equal, shouldn't the amount of loss be dependent almost solely on the thickness of the blade or wire used? I am guessing that the main advantage is cutting large specimens - a large specimen requires a large lap saw and a large blade. If a specimen can only be cut on a 10 or 12" lap saw, or a wire saw, then the wire saw seems like a no-brainer. But for a smaller meteorite that can be cut with a .012" blade (or .006"), what is the advantage of the wire saw? Can the wire saw make thinner slices? I'm not knocking the wire saw, just trying to understand the advantages over a conventional lap saw. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, Greg Hupe wrote: > Hello All, > > I don't think the value per gram is the only consideration for deciding to > hire someone to cut your material with a wire saw. I am selling slices of my > Impact Melt Breccia for $7.50 per gram. It isn't really about how expensive > the material is, sometimes it is the quality of the slices and presentation > for collectors that is even more important! > > Just my 2 slices worth... :) > > Best Regards, > Greg > > > Greg Hupe > The Hupe Collection > gmh...@centurylink.net > www.LunarRock.com > IMCA 3163 > > > -Original Message- > From: André Moutinho > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:59 PM > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > > Hello, > > Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a > 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? > > Thanks! > Andre > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The optimal wire thickness for cutting stony meteorites to produce the straightest cuts and longest wire life is about 250 um (that includes the diamond coating on the wire). This is from my own experience. I can cut with 150 um wire, if needed. I stopped cutting irons and pallasites on the wire saw since it wasn't very cost effective for me or the customer. Plus they are a total pain in the butt. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: "Marcin Cimala" Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:11:41 To: Reply-To: Marcin Cimala Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Hi List I like to pay Your attention that diamnond wire saw is not best method for irons. Much better idea how to cut irons (exclude pallasites) is EDM - Electrical Discharge Machining http://www.wireedm.com/wireedm.htm http://www.mech.kuleuven.be/pp/research/edm This can cut everything what conduct voltage, so graphite, iron or diamonds :) I remember photo of Canyon Diablo badly cut around nano diamond rich nodule, becouse it was impossible to cut using conventional methods. For EDM it could be easy. Also in diamond wire saw You can't use very thin wires for irons becouse it will simply tear off very fast. Maybe Mr Morgan can tell what thickness he usualy use for most irons vs stones? In EDM equipment I use wolfram wire have 0.12mm thickness. In diamond wire saw u can't even think about this thickness. Diamond wire cutting is perrfect for stony meteorites or pallasites. But for irons I want suggest EDM as a preffered method. Ofcourse there is alvays one "but"... What material You want to cut (how expensive and how big). Becouse cutting 5kg Campo will be also expensive and take many hours of cutting, and every hour cost. Anyway I dont see a sense of cutting campo not matter why :D In EDM You can very precise cut thick slice of historic iron into two thinner slices or cut small (lets say up to 500g) irons all types. There is also problem how to find good place to cut becouse this equipment is much more expensive than diamond wire saw, so not everyone will like to waste *expensive* time of his machine to cut strange piece of crap that some freak bring to him. Anyway from my personal experience, if I can choose cutting iron for free on my diamond saw (not wire) or pay for EDM I choose ofcourse second option. I have less cut loses not only from cutting , but also from grinding becouse slices are much more flat than from typical diamond blade. Ofcourse diamond wire saw will make same flat surface as EDM but for me is much more expensive, something like 5x :) so calculations are simple. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List I like to pay Your attention that diamnond wire saw is not best method for irons. Much better idea how to cut irons (exclude pallasites) is EDM - Electrical Discharge Machining http://www.wireedm.com/wireedm.htm http://www.mech.kuleuven.be/pp/research/edm This can cut everything what conduct voltage, so graphite, iron or diamonds :) I remember photo of Canyon Diablo badly cut around nano diamond rich nodule, becouse it was impossible to cut using conventional methods. For EDM it could be easy. Also in diamond wire saw You can't use very thin wires for irons becouse it will simply tear off very fast. Maybe Mr Morgan can tell what thickness he usualy use for most irons vs stones? In EDM equipment I use wolfram wire have 0.12mm thickness. In diamond wire saw u can't even think about this thickness. Diamond wire cutting is perrfect for stony meteorites or pallasites. But for irons I want suggest EDM as a preffered method. Ofcourse there is alvays one "but"... What material You want to cut (how expensive and how big). Becouse cutting 5kg Campo will be also expensive and take many hours of cutting, and every hour cost. Anyway I dont see a sense of cutting campo not matter why :D In EDM You can very precise cut thick slice of historic iron into two thinner slices or cut small (lets say up to 500g) irons all types. There is also problem how to find good place to cut becouse this equipment is much more expensive than diamond wire saw, so not everyone will like to waste *expensive* time of his machine to cut strange piece of crap that some freak bring to him. Anyway from my personal experience, if I can choose cutting iron for free on my diamond saw (not wire) or pay for EDM I choose ofcourse second option. I have less cut loses not only from cutting , but also from grinding becouse slices are much more flat than from typical diamond blade. Ofcourse diamond wire saw will make same flat surface as EDM but for me is much more expensive, something like 5x :) so calculations are simple. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello All, I don't think the value per gram is the only consideration for deciding to hire someone to cut your material with a wire saw. I am selling slices of my Impact Melt Breccia for $7.50 per gram. It isn't really about how expensive the material is, sometimes it is the quality of the slices and presentation for collectors that is even more important! Just my 2 slices worth... :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: André Moutinho Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:59 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Hello, Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? Thanks! Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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HI List, I'm not sure where this notion of large amount of loss with ordinary lap saws is coming from. Perhaps it is true with large saws using thick blades, but a 6-inch saw using a .012" blade generates very little loss. When slicing a 100g stone, I expect about approx. 3-5g of loss with my current saw setup. This is a lot when one is cutting a lunar or martian, but when cutting OC's and most other types (including CV3's), this is acceptable to me and everyone I have cut for. This is why I always recommend using a saw that is just big enough to cut the specimen. In other words, don't use a 10-inch saw to cut a meteorite the size of a golfball. Larger saws use thicker blades which generate more loss. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, Shawn Alan wrote: > Matt, Gary, and Listers, > > What would be the best way to go for irons slices if you had lets say Tucson > iron and I have seen that go for $1000 a gram or lets say you have a 10gram > Compo and you want to make 200mg slices, what method would be the best for > that, not saying cutting up Compos to the size is cost effective? > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html > > > [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > mail at mhmeteorites.com mail at mhmeteorites.com > Thu Mar 10 18:34:44 EST 2011 > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > Next message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > As a general rule of thumb, material 30.00/g or higher, may be best cut on a > wire saw. This is could be an OC. Probably not an iron. Of course pallasites > look great thin cut too. > Matt > > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 > > -Original Message- > From: Gary Fujihara > Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:32:16 > To: André Moutinho > Cc: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > > Aloha Andre, > > Depending on the cost of the material, it may or may not be more cost > effective to use a wire saw. A wire saw is better for planetaries or other > expensive or rare meteorites, where cost of material is high, and so > minimizing cut loss is imperative. If the material is cheap, then the > expense of using a wire saw is not justified for minimizing cut loss because > you would spend more money on cutting it than you would saving on reduced > cut loss. > > You have to balance the cost of cutting with expected cut loss . > > For example, a friend cut a cheap CV3 on a wire, and cost him big money to > do so. He would have been better off taking the cut loss on a lap saw for a > cheaper cutting expense. > > gary > > On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:59 PM, André Moutinho wrote: > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a >> 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Andre > >>__ > >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Gary Fujihara > Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ > http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html > (808) 640-9161 > > __________ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > Next message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > >
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Matt, Gary, and Listers, What would be the best way to go for irons slices if you had lets say Tucson iron and I have seen that go for $1000 a gram or lets say you have a 10gram Compo and you want to make 200mg slices, what method would be the best for that, not saying cutting up Compos to the size is cost effective? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html [meteorite-list] wire saw cost mail at mhmeteorites.com mail at mhmeteorites.com Thu Mar 10 18:34:44 EST 2011 Previous message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Next message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] As a general rule of thumb, material 30.00/g or higher, may be best cut on a wire saw. This is could be an OC. Probably not an iron. Of course pallasites look great thin cut too. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Gary Fujihara Sender: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:32:16 To: André Moutinho Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Aloha Andre, Depending on the cost of the material, it may or may not be more cost effective to use a wire saw. A wire saw is better for planetaries or other expensive or rare meteorites, where cost of material is high, and so minimizing cut loss is imperative. If the material is cheap, then the expense of using a wire saw is not justified for minimizing cut loss because you would spend more money on cutting it than you would saving on reduced cut loss. You have to balance the cost of cutting with expected cut loss . For example, a friend cut a cheap CV3 on a wire, and cost him big money to do so. He would have been better off taking the cut loss on a lap saw for a cheaper cutting expense. gary On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:59 PM, André Moutinho wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a > 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? > > Thanks! > Andre >__ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -------- Previous message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Next message: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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As a general rule of thumb, material 30.00/g or higher, may be best cut on a wire saw. This is could be an OC. Probably not an iron. Of course pallasites look great thin cut too. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Gary Fujihara Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:32:16 To: André Moutinho Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost Aloha Andre, Depending on the cost of the material, it may or may not be more cost effective to use a wire saw. A wire saw is better for planetaries or other expensive or rare meteorites, where cost of material is high, and so minimizing cut loss is imperative. If the material is cheap, then the expense of using a wire saw is not justified for minimizing cut loss because you would spend more money on cutting it than you would saving on reduced cut loss. You have to balance the cost of cutting with expected cut loss . For example, a friend cut a cheap CV3 on a wire, and cost him big money to do so. He would have been better off taking the cut loss on a lap saw for a cheaper cutting expense. gary On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:59 PM, André Moutinho wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a > 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? > > Thanks! > Andre >__ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost
Aloha Andre, Depending on the cost of the material, it may or may not be more cost effective to use a wire saw. A wire saw is better for planetaries or other expensive or rare meteorites, where cost of material is high, and so minimizing cut loss is imperative. If the material is cheap, then the expense of using a wire saw is not justified for minimizing cut loss because you would spend more money on cutting it than you would saving on reduced cut loss. You have to balance the cost of cutting with expected cut loss . For example, a friend cut a cheap CV3 on a wire, and cost him big money to do so. He would have been better off taking the cut loss on a lap saw for a cheaper cutting expense. gary On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:59 PM, André Moutinho wrote: > Hello, > > Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a > 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? > > Thanks! > Andre > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost
We charge 50-60/hr usually, and that includes the $1500.00 for the 1 km of wire. Our Diamond Wire Tech saw cuts pretty fast compared to the Well saw. It is difficult to give you an exact cost since each meteorite is different. I would estimate 1-2 hrs per slice and that takes into account the wire wear after each cut. Matt Morgan Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] wire saw cost
Hello, Does anyone can give me an idea of cutting cost using a wire saw to cut a 300g ordinary chondrite into 3mm slices? Thanks! Andre __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
