Re: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Good morning, What is quite a story. The half truths, not presenting the whole story, not presenting all of the facts, as Plotkin has done? Or are you referring to the researchI have done for over ten years, in trying to fathom out the facts, and the truth about what happened? I have combed many libraries, from Indiana, Illinois, Ohio, Wisconsin, Missouri, Texas, California, Oregon, Washington, Alaska, and many others, seeking anything that would pertain to Port Orford, or the meteorite,or the individuals involved. I have been to Oregon several times, checking into its historical sites, and libraries. Sure I started with Plotkins book, but when I read it, I found to many questions in it that he did not answer. There are to many questions that he never addressed in his book. He advocates the theory that Evans created a hoax based on Evans suppossedly owing money for back taxes in Oregon. But then he fails to mention anything about the economic crisis going on world wide at the same time. That crisis would help explain any economic problems Evans would have had, because during such crisis, the price of everything goes up, not down. Since in the 1850's, because of the Oregon gold rush, which is documented in many books about Oregon, but not once is it mentioned in Plotkins book, but because of that gold rush, so much of what Oregonians used to grow on their farms, was not being grown anymore. During the California gold rush of 1849, many Oregonians left Oregon and headed south to California to search for their future, but many failed to find it, so they moved back to Oregon. But they had sold their land when they left to go to California. So many farms were idle during the 1850's. So much of the land around Port Orford, was unreachable except on trails originally made by the indians possibly hundreds of years before, so it was not easy getting around. In fact the primary way of getting to Port Orford was by steam packet boats that sailed between Portland, and san Francicsco. In fact the gentleman who started Port Orford in 1851, Tichenor, owned such a boat and used it to take the first settlers there. None of this is mentioned in Plotkin. None of Coarse Gold Johnson and his career is mentioned in Plotkin. That is strange too, because, Plotkin even though he says the Evans Journal is not in his handwriting, (It is in his wifes handwriting, because Evans had hurt his arm sometime around 1858-1859, and was unable to write until he learned to use his other arm and hand), but then Plotkins uses the information out of the journal as though it is gospel. But when you read the journal, you find that Evans in one entry clearly visits Johnson's camp on the creek. According to the history books, and books about the Origin of Place Names in Oregon, by 1856, Johnson's creek and Mountain was already known by those names. So why would anyone look on Johnson's mountain for the meteorite since Evans does not mention it in the journal, but he does mention visiting with Johnson and other miners at the Johnson camp which was on Johnson's creek which is at the base of Johnson's mountain? Plotkin does not mention any of this, nor does he mention any of the hsitory of Johnson's mountain, all information which is clearly available in the history books about Oregon, Coos and Curry Counties, which is where Port Orford is located. In the National Archives recod group for John Evans, is a letter where Evans himself after he is able to start writing again, explains in the letter how he had hurt his arm and could not write for awhile, so his wife Sarah Evans, was doing all of the correspondance, which would explain why the journal is in her hand and not Evans. Yet even though this is in the national archives, Plotkin does not mention this. Why In one of those letter from John Evans, he explains, that anyone could buy the meteorite real cheaply from the Indian chief, Old John, because it was on his land. this is the only place the Evans possibly makeds a mistake. Old Chief John, had surrendered along with all of his tribe, sometime around August - september 1856, after the Rogue River War was over. So in 1858 - 1859, when Plotkin says Evans went back to Oregon, and then concocted the hoax, Old Chief John would not have been the owner of the land, because by then he had been in an Indian Reservation over a hundred miles away north of Port Orford, and everyone around that area of the country would have known that. So why did Evans mention it then. the only conclusion, is that Evans did not visit Port Orford after July of 1856, and so would not have known about the surrender. Also Evans clearly states in either that letter or another one, that the Bald mountain could be seen from Port Orford. I am sorry to tell everyone this, but Johnson's mountian is not visible from Port Orford, nor is Brays Mountain, nor Iron Mountain. There is just
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hello Al and others interested, Yes there was a gold rush going on around the time Evans reportedly found his meteorite. Though most people think it occurred only along the coast line south of Port Orford, that is not true. The naming of Johnson Mountain, the one that Plotkin says he search on, is after a man who was at first called 'Bovine Johnson.' He worked for a lumbering operation east-northeast of Port Orford. He had a friend who was involved with an Indian woman. She told him how to go to one creek and he could find gold there. He did and did find gold. Then he told Bovine, how to get there, which Bovine did. Bovine found so much gold there, they changed his name to Coarse Gold Johnson, and the creek was named after him, hence Johnson's Creek, which is at the base of Johnsons mountain. The mountain was named after him because he continued living along Johnson's creek digging gold. But even then as today, and as LaPaz foundout back in the 1930's and 1940's, it is not easy moving around on any of the mountains out there, unless they had been burned off. There is simply to much underbrush. In the case of LaPaz, one of his assistants went into the brush and moved around within 50 yards for a day, and nobody saw him. They could hear him, but since the brush was so thick, they couldn't see any sign of him. And that search was on a mountain that is within sight of Port Orford, to the southeast, today called bald knob. According to the the Port Orford Quadrangle book byu the U. S. Geological Survey, during the 1880's, the 1890's, and several times during the early 20th century, there were mudslides and landslides along many of those very same creeks. Throughout the first 50 years of the 20th century, there were a number of reports published in the newspapers, where someone found a piece of pallasitic meteorite in several of the creeks. They turned them over to a man named Foshag, who worked for the Smithsonian. They have never been seen since, and the Smithsonian claims they never had them. Overall, the questions to ask are as follows. 1) DID EVANS FIND A METEORITE? 2) DID HE BUY A PIECE OF IMILAC FROM A SO CALLED ROCK AND MINERAL DEALER IN PANAMA? (There is no evidence of such a dealer being in existence, in any of the books, journals, scientific publications I have found, in any other source other than in Plotkin.) 3) OR DID C. T. JACKSON TAKE A PIECE OF IMILAC FROM HIS COLLECTION AND PASS IT OFF AS A PIECE FROM PORT ORFORD, AND HE KEPT THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL? 4) PLOTKIN HAS NOT MENTIONED IN PRINT, NOR HAS THE SMITHSONIAN, ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRUE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS AT ANY POINT ON THE WEST COAST DURING THE 1850'S. WHY? THAT SEEMS TO BE A CRUCIAL ASPECT OF PLOTKINS AND HIS EVANS HOAX THEORY. 5) WHY DOESN'T PLOTKINS MENTION HOW WHILE EVANS WAS IN THE PORTLAND AREA, HE MADE HIS OWN MEASUREMENTS OF THE WILLAMETTE MERIDIAN? That measurement would be needed for anyone conducting surveys such as Evans was doing. 6) WHY DOESN'T PLOTKINS MENTION THE OTHER SURVEYORS WHO WERE WORKING IN THE SAME AREA AT THE SAME TIME? One of them became well known in California after he made a survey in Southwestern Oregon in the 1850's. By the way, if anyone is interested, I have gotten much of this information from actual newspapers from that time period, and from books, both published by the Smithsonian, including their annual reports, the U.S. Geological survey reports, and booklets, and from books written and printed privately, but the sources of their material is checkable. I just think there are too many, way too many questions about Plotkin and his theory. Too many things in his booklet, do not add up, in light of the actual records from the 1850's, till today. Have a good day, Bob Warren _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Bob; Very very good story and extremely good points! Dave F. (who lives 60 miles from the 1872 Diamond Hoax Site) I am very familiar with the hoax here, they were very popular. Robert Warren wrote: Hello Al and others interested, Yes there was a gold rush going on around the time Evans reportedly found his meteorite. Though most people think it occurred only along the coast line south of Port Orford, that is not true. The naming of Johnson Mountain, the one that Plotkin says he search on, is after a man who was at first called 'Bovine Johnson.' He worked for a lumbering operation east-northeast of Port Orford. He had a friend who was involved with an Indian woman. She told him how to go to one creek and he could find gold there. He did and did find gold. Then he told Bovine, how to get there, which Bovine did. Bovine found so much gold there, they changed his name to Coarse Gold Johnson, and the creek was named after him, hence Johnson's Creek, which is at the base of Johnsons mountain. The mountain was named after him because he continued living along Johnson's creek digging gold. But even then as today, and as LaPaz foundout back in the 1930's and 1940's, it is not easy moving around on any of the mountains out there, unless they had been burned off. There is simply to much underbrush. In the case of LaPaz, one of his assistants went into the brush and moved around within 50 yards for a day, and nobody saw him. They could hear him, but since the brush was so thick, they couldn't see any sign of him. And that search was on a mountain that is within sight of Port Orford, to the southeast, today called bald knob. According to the the Port Orford Quadrangle book byu the U. S. Geological Survey, during the 1880's, the 1890's, and several times during the early 20th century, there were mudslides and landslides along many of those very same creeks. Throughout the first 50 years of the 20th century, there were a number of reports published in the newspapers, where someone found a piece of pallasitic meteorite in several of the creeks. They turned them over to a man named Foshag, who worked for the Smithsonian. They have never been seen since, and the Smithsonian claims they never had them. Overall, the questions to ask are as follows. 1) DID EVANS FIND A METEORITE? 2) DID HE BUY A PIECE OF IMILAC FROM A SO CALLED ROCK AND MINERAL DEALER IN PANAMA? (There is no evidence of such a dealer being in existence, in any of the books, journals, scientific publications I have found, in any other source other than in Plotkin.) 3) OR DID C. T. JACKSON TAKE A PIECE OF IMILAC FROM HIS COLLECTION AND PASS IT OFF AS A PIECE FROM PORT ORFORD, AND HE KEPT THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL? 4) PLOTKIN HAS NOT MENTIONED IN PRINT, NOR HAS THE SMITHSONIAN, ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE TRUE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS AT ANY POINT ON THE WEST COAST DURING THE 1850'S. WHY? THAT SEEMS TO BE A CRUCIAL ASPECT OF PLOTKINS AND HIS EVANS HOAX THEORY. 5) WHY DOESN'T PLOTKINS MENTION HOW WHILE EVANS WAS IN THE PORTLAND AREA, HE MADE HIS OWN MEASUREMENTS OF THE WILLAMETTE MERIDIAN? That measurement would be needed for anyone conducting surveys such as Evans was doing. 6) WHY DOESN'T PLOTKINS MENTION THE OTHER SURVEYORS WHO WERE WORKING IN THE SAME AREA AT THE SAME TIME? One of them became well known in California after he made a survey in Southwestern Oregon in the 1850's. By the way, if anyone is interested, I have gotten much of this information from actual newspapers from that time period, and from books, both published by the Smithsonian, including their annual reports, the U.S. Geological survey reports, and booklets, and from books written and printed privately, but the sources of their material is checkable. I just think there are too many, way too many questions about Plotkin and his theory. Too many things in his booklet, do not add up, in light of the actual records from the 1850's, till today. Have a good day, Bob Warren _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Geetings and salutations, I am in agreement with Al Mitterling, concerning the Port Orford Meteorite. If anyone would read carefully Plotkins book put out by the Smithsonian, check all of his references, and then look at the information he does not quote from, or refer to, they would get a completely different picture. Plotkin refers to a series of letters, or correspondence from two gentlemen, who were on a steamboat with Evans going up the Missouri river, towards a point that they intended to get off and proceed to the Bad Lands. Before they got on the boat, in the correspondence that Plotkin does not quote or refer to, they say how Evans loaned them money so that they could buy the supplies they needed for their trip. They were on a fixed budget, with no idea as to how much anything would cost, in the then frontier state of Missouri. They didn't know about the cost of mules, horses, food, camping gear, or even the fees for getting on board the steamboat. But Plotkin, leads us to believe that Evans could not manage money. That is a recurring theme throughout his work. But that theme is unfounded. He says that Evans concocted the hoax so as to pay off debts incurred sometime between 1856 and 1858. However, he does not mention how in 1858, there was a world wide economic panic, or what we would call today, a depression. He does not mention how one gentleman in California, at the same time, was asked by his superiors in St. Louis, as to what he thought should be done with the bank they owned, a branch that he was the manager of, in San Francisco? His response was to close it, which they did. They transferred him to New York City, where the same thing happened. That gentlemans name was William Tecumseh Sherman, of Sherman's march to the sea fame during the civil war. Plotkin makes it sound as if Evans was the only one in financial trouble. Yet if anyone reads through a history of Geology in the United States, he would find instance after instance, where almost everyone contracted by the U. S. Government for a period of over one hundred years, starting in the 1830's and going into the 1940's, has been short changed, by not being paid enough for their efforts, and in some cases they never recieved payment at all, even though they had a contract for doing the work and being paid for it. One such case is of a gentleman, who was contracted to survey the State of Michigan, in the 1830's. He hired a couple of men to help him. They were at work, when one of those men decided he knew more about what was going on, and he told both his boss, as well as the government. The goverment decided to listen to that man, and did not pay the man in charge. He quit in disqust, and always held a grudge against the government until he died. That man was C. T. Jackson, the very same chemist that Evans sent the samples to around 1858-1859. It was he who found the sample that he said was a meteorite. By the way, why in 1860, when he wrote the first paper about the Port Orford meteorite, why did he use the word specimens, plural, not singular. This would imply that he had more than one piece. Why is it that he himself had been collecting meteorites since the 1830's and nobody mentions that in relation to the suppossed hoax. He himself put out a 3-6 page catalogue of meteorites in his own collection. How do we not know that he kept the original Port Orford specimen (s), and substituted a piece of Imilac, which has made it down to us today, and history. This would explain why Lincoln La Paz back in the 1930's during the course of his searches for the Port Orford, he was told by the Museum in Boston that they still had the Port Orford in their collection, which by that time, the SMithsonian claims to have already purchased it from them. The long and the short of it, is simply this. There are too many questions about Plotkin's work that does not correlate with the historical record. I suggest everyone should get out and research it, and not take the word of Plotkin, just because he has the Smithsonian behind them. Bob Warren _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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From: Robert Warren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:43 + MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [66.205.162.11] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from mc3-f34.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.170]) by mc3-s20.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:42:56 -0700 Received: from six.pairlist.net ([209.68.2.254]) by mc3-f34.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:42:13 -0700 Received: from six.pairlist.net (localhost [127.0.0.1])by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with ESMTPid 03C5D8D3D3; Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mu.pair.com (mu.pair.com [209.68.1.23])by six.pairlist.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2905D8C2DEfor [EMAIL PROTECTED];Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 39118 invoked by uid 7111); 27 Oct 2004 14:41:10 - Received: (qmail 39114 invoked from network); 27 Oct 2004 14:41:09 - Received: from bay16-f35.bay16.hotmail.com (HELO hotmail.com) (65.54.186.85)by mu.pair.com with SMTP; 27 Oct 2004 14:41:09 - Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC;Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:41:06 -0700 Received: from 66.205.162.11 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP;Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:40:43 GMT X-Message-Info: GQXpnklFM/deOXuyugSvCUXqHBUoZUf7+q1kK3elMAQ= X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: arthur-meteoritecentral:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Oct 2004 14:41:06.0290 (UTC)FILETIME=[FDA2AD20:01C4BC32] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Meteorite Discussion Forum meteorite-list.meteoritecentral.com List-Unsubscribe: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list,mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Geetings and salutations, I am in agreement with Al Mitterling, concerning the Port Orford Meteorite. If anyone would read carefully Plotkins book put out by the Smithsonian, check all of his references, and then look at the information he does not quote from, or refer to, they would get a completely different picture. Plotkin refers to a series of letters, or correspondence from two gentlemen, who were on a steamboat with Evans going up the Missouri river, towards a point that they intended to get off and proceed to the Bad Lands. Before they got on the boat, in the correspondence that Plotkin does not quote or refer to, they say how Evans loaned them money so that they could buy the supplies they needed for their trip. They were on a fixed budget, with no idea as to how much anything would cost, in the then frontier state of Missouri. They didn't know about the cost of mules, horses, food, camping gear, or even the fees for getting on board the steamboat. But Plotkin, leads us to believe that Evans could not manage money. That is a recurring theme throughout his work. But that theme is unfounded. He says that Evans concocted the hoax so as to pay off debts incurred sometime between 1856 and 1858. However, he does not mention how in 1858, there was a world wide economic panic, or what we would call today, a depression. He does not mention how one gentleman in California, at the same time, was asked by his superiors in St. Louis, as to what he thought should be done with the bank they owned, a branch that he was the manager of, in San Francisco? His response was to close it, which they did. They transferred him to New York City, where the same thing happened. That gentlemans name was William Tecumseh Sherman, of Sherman's march to the sea fame during the civil war. Plotkin makes it sound as if Evans was the only one in financial trouble. Yet if anyone reads through a history of Geology in the United States, he would find instance after instance, where almost everyone contracted by the U. S. Government for a period of over one hundred years, starting in the 1830's and going into the 1940's, has been short changed, by not being paid enough for their efforts, and in some cases they never recieved payment at all, even though they had a contract for doing the work and being paid for it. One such case is of a gentleman, who was contracted to survey the State of Michigan, in the 1830's. He hired a couple of men to help him. They were at work, when one of those men decided he knew more about what was going on, and he told both his boss, as well as the government. The goverment decided to listen to that man, and did not pay the man in charge. He quit
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hi Robert and list members, Good to see that there are others out there who have seen through some of the discrepancies. I am glad you brought up the money issue as there are other items that were left out of the booklet. One item was a gold rush along the Oregon coast and John Evans ran into far greater expenses than predicted as supplies were being sold for many times their worth due to high demand. Back then you couldn't wire home every time you were faced with difficulties (you were out in the middle of nowhere) . I am sure they expected him (explorers) to act in the best interests of the states and I am sure this is what he did adding to a higher debt to do the exploring as he was expected to do. Evans was also married to a woman whose father was the designer of the Washington Monument. In other words they were probably well to do coming from influential families. After Evan's death, his wife made efforts to have his journals published but for what ever reasons (civil war) the moneys were never made available and much valuable information no doubt lost and perhaps that is the real tragedy. Some of the surveying that Evans did is still in use today and a basis of locations of Federal land and lands that were sold to settlers back then. So some things remain intact of his work. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Largest single piece I could find was a 1.4 ton Huckitta. That beats out Brenham, Esquel, Brahin. matt -Original Message- From: Wendy Piatek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:22 PM To: Matt Morgan Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? Matt you see on ebay a 272Kg specimen saying it is the largest but I think Ivan just cut up a 131Kg. Bob Haag also had a larger Esquel. But the largest single specimen ---I have a postcard of a farmer hoisting a 1000 Lb. Brenham out of the ground over 50 years ago. Let me know what else you find. Jay Piatek - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 7:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? Anyone know what the weght is for the largest SINGLE piece of a Pallasite? Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Not sure if it's reliable or not, but a quick web search seems to come up with lots of hits for the Greensburg, KS pallasite as the top piece, at 1000 pounds. Here's a link to the Big Well site where it's housed, but the link on their page to the actual meteorite appears to be broken. http://www.bigwell.org/ But here's another link that does contain an image http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/KSGREwell.html Craig __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Here's a picture of a postcard showing the Greensburg pallasite being pulled out of the ground. This pallasite is actually a Brenham specimen if I'm not mistaken. http://www.arizonameteorites.com/pallasite.htm Best, JKGwilliam At 09:56 PM 10/25/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure if it's reliable or not, but a quick web search seems to come up with lots of hits for the Greensburg, KS pallasite as the top piece, at 1000 pounds. Here's a link to the Big Well site where it's housed, but the link on their page to the actual meteorite appears to be broken. http://www.bigwell.org/ But here's another link that does contain an image http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/KSGREwell.html Craig __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greetings, If were talking the largest intact pallasite then Huckitta at 1400 kg would be it (though heavily oxidized) but Esquel when found was 1500 kg making it the largest ever found. The Brenham isn't the largest pallasite. Of course if Port Orford is ever found and assuming it is truly a pallasite (yea I know that it is considered a hoax but not in my book) it may be a sizable mass. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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esquel?? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Matt Morgan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:27:56 -0600 Anyone know what the weght is for the largest SINGLE piece of a Pallasite? Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Al According to 5th Ed Catalogue of Meteorites the Esquel Pallasite main mass did weigh 1500 kg but that is a mistake. It actually weighed closer to 1500 lb. or about 680 kg. In fact there is a reference I mention in A to Z from Meteoritics and Planetary Sciences supporting this weight: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-bib_query?bibcode=1998M%26PS...33..221U amp;db_key=ASTamp;high=417da1236125292 This is quite an interesting article that everyone might want to read as well. Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I just happened to be talking to Bob Haag yesterday about esquel and he said that esquel was originally about 1500 pounds. A chunk had been cut off so what he received was about 560 kg. That matches the 2 sources Bernd just listed. -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com AL wrote: the largest intact pallasite then Huckitta at 1400 kg would be it (though heavily oxidized) but Esquel when found was 1500 kg making it the largest ever found. Hi AL and List, Oscar Turone once wrote: The original mass for Esquel was 755 kg. This is what I also found here: Ulff-Möller R F. (1998) Paucity of sulfide in a large slab of Esquel: New perspectives on pallasite formation (Meteoritics 33-2, 1998, 221-227): The 0.7-ton Esquel meteorite, found in Patagonia before 1951, is in most respects, a typical main-group pallasite. the largest intact pallasite ... Huckitta at 1400 kg .. plus over 900 kg of iron shale !!! Port Orford ... is considered a hoax John Evans' 10 tons of the Port Orford pallasite was a deliberate hoax. His Port Orford specimen was actually a piece of the Imilac meteorite. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Bernd and all, I'll make that correction in the New Catalog of Meteorites I have. Unfortunately when doing research these typos cause misunderstanding for years to come and it will no doubt be used as a source for other printed material and will continue to cause these others sources to bring confusion on the total weight of this meteorite. Thanks again for the correction. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Hi Bernd and all, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Evans' 10 tons of the Port Orford pallasite was a deliberate hoax. His Port Orford specimen was actually a piece of the Imilac meteorite. I don't disagree that the pieces sent to the Smithsonian and Vienna were Imilac, but I do think there is more than a little merit that it could also NOT be a hoax. I have a college who has done extensive research on Port Orford and there is as much mystery on some of the findings that have put to rest this story as the story itself. Probably the biggest question is why a copied manuscript was used to go back and trace Evan's routes. Certainly a copied manuscript could have been mis-copied by accident or even intentional, though it looks like Evan's wife may have done the copy but that hasn't been proven yet. I have posted in the past about the mystery (search under the Port Orford Meteorite) and why I am not convinced that it really has been solved. The person that has done the research is quite a historian and has been to hundreds of locations digging up information that points to a number of very interesting contradictions to the publicized official version. It may very well be that another person might have been involved in causing some confusion from the past. It is however up to the person doing the research to publicize their findings. I am simply looking at this in a purely may be or may not be but lets look at all the facts and not just what were told fashion. That's the way science is done, yes? All my best! --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite?
Avalible for sale, in private hands, or ever? i know Serge had a 225 kg brahin that got sold to a fellow who now has it listed on ebay form time to time. Stan From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Largest single Pallasite? Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:27:56 -0600 Anyone know what the weght is for the largest SINGLE piece of a Pallasite? Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
