Re: [meteorite-list] Re: 13.5 kg lunar (Significance)
En un mensaje con fecha 05/16/2005 10:50:39 AM Mexico Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Doug escribe: ...how nice that this finder seems to be happy to share the meteorite with scientists! Dude, it seems to me the finder does not give a rat's anorthite for the science of meteoritics, or sharing for that matter, if all they could kick down for a type specimen is 20 of their 13,500 grams. I hope it's a typo, or not the full story, 'cause a better example of stingy you'd be hard pressed to find! Jeff Aloha Jeff, Please elevate your mind above the rats' breccia! Would you be quick to break the W1 (W1 = not too weathered however that works for Lunars...can someone say...) rock apart? It is basically the MAIN MASS OF THE MOON here on Earth. No other rock from the Moon beats its size, at 13.5 Kg. The Big Muley rock is NASA's record at 11.7 Kg, and the Soviets total haul was 0.301 Kg from all three successful Luna sample return missions. As for your charge of no better example of stinginess, hold your tongue, for Kalahari 009. The lesser of 20 grams or 20% is the requirement of the Meteoritical Society for classifying, and then the range of tests done with the results published in the abstract in the provisional Bulletin I would think consumed some additional sample and of course to make the thin section as well. It looks like the same person is behind Kalahari 008, so add another 20 grams, classification analyses he coordinated with the Germans. Then the two thin sections which probably used at least a gram each. Plus, whatever Kalahari 001 is (Hello - a mistaken reference in the provisional bulletin 89 for Kalahari 008, or are there some more Kalahari's out there Sara?) there may be more. Also I think if you have a special sample - which this Lunar certainly is - you can negotiate smaller amounts, which this finder didn't in either case. While your suspicion may prove true, there is no basis that I am aware of that supports it. If grandma finds a beautiful whole stone and is impressed by it, perhaps a beautiful; fusion crust still intact, etc., and it is twice the size of all other Lunar meteorites combined to date, is she stingy because she doesn't send it to the Chop Shop for slicing and dicing to be distributed to careful collectors as well as those who habitually break them into pieces and allow to weather away in some corner, before it had been even classified? If she wishes to have a bit of privacy, good for her. Maybe she is saving it for her grandson. That would be a really nice grandma to have, bless her soul. None of this means she is a scroogy grandma!! Maybe a little slow:-), I agree!, but not stingy. Time will tell but your post is unsubstantiated as far as I can see. All I commented was that it is a good start, and I hold and raise you one. And most versions of the Lunar mass driver can't transport such a heavy complete stone, so until someone finds another one, it is one for us to contemplate having such a lucky grandma, over a Guiness, where such thoughts belong... I only hope that that the finder releases images at their convenience for us other mere earthlings to appreciate... Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: 13.5 kg lunar (Significance)
Doug wrote: 'is she stingy because she doesn't send it to the Chop Shop for slicing and dicing to be distributed to careful collectors as well as those who habitually break them into pieces and allow to weather away in some corner, before it had been even classified?' No, and I do not know the whole story, and do hope I was wrong in my 'stingy' comment. But a cut was made, this much for the science - this much for grandma. Were I to stumble over a lunar, I think I'd place the cut differently - but that's a decision I'd have to be extremely lucky to ever get a chance at making. Yes, pictures would be nice, for us earthlings. Jeff The contents of this message may be privileged and confidential. Therefore, if this message has been received in error, please delete it without reading it. Your receipt of this message is not intended to waive any applicable privilege. Please do not disseminate this message without the permission of the author. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: 13.5 kg lunar (Significance)
Jeff wrote: No, and I do not know the whole story, and do hope I was wrong in my 'stingy' comment. But a cut was made, this much for the science - this much for grandma. Were I to stumble over a lunar, I think I'd place the cut differently - but that's a decision I'd have to be extremely lucky to ever get a chance at making. Jeff, thanks, that is a much more accurate statement - neither of us knows the whole story. The 20 gram specimen has nothing to do with the total given for research. We simply don't know that either. The reason the amount is 20 g is because it is the type specimen and that is what is expected of a type specimen - and frequently less. Why even accuse the finder of possible stinginess at this point, with the barrage of test it is evident material has already been through? Of the 35 or so Lunar named meteorites, many have 1 gram-range type specimens. This person has given up nearly 50 grams of Lunar material we can be pretty sure. And so far hasn't opted to commercialize any! I would think we shouldn't go about accusing them of unsurpassed stinginess!! What do you think the owner (US Gov't) of the second biggest Moon rock of 11.7 Kg would say if we asked they cut it up and tell everyone right away about it, just to be sure enough was there to go around so no one would tell them they are stingy? Can we let them decide what research proposals are worthy? This is why I posted my response. The fact remains that this is the largest Lunar rock known on the planet, and is only lightly weathered, and apparantly has a nice fusion crust. There is something to be said about complete stones, if only their meteoritical beauty, their curves, orientation, their textures, maybe even flow lines. In this case the size alone is a big question and maintaining the stone as true to original may actually be the best move science could hope for in preparation for future study...It has made it 4.4 Billion years (?) so far. But how did it stay together and make it from Moon to Earth? That's an interesting question...Let's wait more than an instant before insulting the finder. Possession is everything, whoever has the meteorites, makes the rules...and as long as they are in a good mood, things usually go well. Of what use is a groundless insult in a public forum (probably) without their knowledge? Rather than expressing your hope you are wrong, our shared awe of Lunar material, wouldn't it be more useful to express a little apology if the finder happens to be listening. PS - I hope you do find a massive Lunar and do get to make that decision! Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
