RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
*snip* entitled to know something about the origins of the piece! Who would buy a diamond without knowing it was real, I've bought Lunar slices from well respected dealers that arrived in nothing more than a small plastic bag, with not even the number written on, that's simply an appalling situation in my book! just as an amusing observation, those in the diamond trade often recived diamonds wraped inj nothing more than some folded paper. a plastic bag, by comparison might be considered a step up! :) _ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite pyroxene, Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining. I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when I say excellent I mean $14 per gram and under! They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both pieces or sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself. If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought you could afford it...take a look 306.2 grams ... $4000 ... ONLY $13 a gram!!! http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2backs.JPG 91.4 grams ... $1275 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4backs.JPG 101.2 grams ... $1400 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2backs.JPG You want bigger? I can get 'em, just ask. Up to kilo individuals! Domestic shipping and insurance on me if PayPal avoided Foreign shipping on me if PayPal avoided, insurance optional Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite pyroxene, Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining. I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when I say excellent I mean $14 per gram and under! They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both pieces or sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself. If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought you could afford it...take a look 306.2 grams ... $4000 ... ONLY $13 a gram!!! http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2backs.JPG 91.4 grams ... $1275 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4backs.JPG 101.2 grams ... $1400 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2backs.JPG You want bigger? I can get 'em, just ask. Up to kilo individuals! Domestic shipping and insurance on me if PayPal avoided Foreign shipping on me if PayPal avoided, insurance optional Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite pyroxene, Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining. I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when I say excellent I mean $14 per gram and under! They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both pieces or sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself. If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought you could afford it...take a look 306.2 grams ... $4000 ... ONLY $13 a gram!!! http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/306.2backs.JPG 91.4 grams ... $1275 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/91.4backs.JPG 101.2 grams ... $1400 http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2faces.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/ra/rancor/101.2backs.JPG You want bigger? I can get 'em, just ask. Up to kilo individuals! Domestic shipping and insurance on me if PayPal avoided Foreign shipping on me if PayPal avoided, insurance optional Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
You should have been in Denver, Mike. You would have been shocked to see how much uncut NWA 1929 was being sold at low prices. I am glad that I wasn't on the list the last month to witness the fighting over numbers. Perhaps, each newly found Sikhote-alin should have it's own new name assigned Or the new Glorietta? Or the new Campo? ETC. ETC. ETC. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer /meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes Jim, it wasn't pretty. The part about falls and finds was discussed. There is no need to classify every piece of those meteorites like Gao or Sikhote-Alin as they are from a compact area, and are distinctive enough to lack the need for further classification. When it comes to meteorite mass-concentration areas like North Africa and Oman, then the need for further classification is necessary. Obviously if you are hunting and find them all together, that would be one meteorite, but when buying in the markets there, then everything is mixed up, some paired meteorites being sold in cities 400 miles apart! That makes for some very confusing classification problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out You should have been in Denver, Mike. You would have been shocked to see how much uncut NWA 1929 was being sold at low prices. I am glad that I wasn't on the list the last month to witness the fighting over numbers. Perhaps, each newly found Sikhote-alin should have it's own new name assigned Or the new Glorietta? Or the new Campo? ETC. ETC. ETC. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer /meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Obviously, you are right, verification of specimens should be performed before they are assigned to a pre-existing number. I guess I wasn't clear on that. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Yes Jim, it wasn't pretty. The part about falls and finds was discussed. There is no need to classify every piece of those meteorites like Gao or Sikhote-Alin as they are from a compact area, and are distinctive enough to lack the need for further classification. When it comes to meteorite mass-concentration areas like North Africa and Oman, then the need for further classification is necessary. Obviously if you are hunting and find them all together, that would be one meteorite, but when buying in the markets there, then everything is mixed up, some paired meteorites being sold in cities 400 miles apart! That makes for some very confusing classification problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out You should have been in Denver, Mike. You would have been shocked to see how much uncut NWA 1929 was being sold at low prices. I am glad that I wasn't on the list the last month to witness the fighting over numbers. Perhaps, each newly found Sikhote-alin should have it's own new name assigned Or the new Glorietta? Or the new Campo? ETC. ETC. ETC. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer /meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets, 0.97 wt % Ni and 0.87 % Cr. Diogenite pyroxene, Fs43-54 Wo2.5-3.6. Fresh crust and minor interior staining. I have three large pieces for sale at an excellent price, and when I say excellent I mean $14 per gram and under! They are split individuals that fit perfectly together. Keep both pieces or sell one and make some money while keeping one for yourself. If you ever wanted a showy Howardite but never thought
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Hell, I am talking about 1929, of course, not 2019 :-) _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:19 PM To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive solid-state recrystallization of plagioclase and pyroxenes; localized melt pockets and veins in clasts. Cumulate pyroxene, Fs45-40Wo7-20; plagioclase, An91.2-95.3; melted metal droplets
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
But Bernd... just take the better documented Oman finds or the DaGs. Everybody knows now, what's going on with the NWAs and if it's disturbing, that there is not known the place of find, the date of find and the total known weight, one has those Dhos, DaGs, HaHs ect. as a good alternative choice, especially as they are available at the same price level as the NWAs. Anyway - Beside, that one never will find out the pairings of the NWAs, who could complain at this sick low prices Remember what one had to pay for achondrites 5 or 3 years ago!!! Prosit! Ma - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hello all- Thought I'd burn the midnight oil and give the folks across the pond a fighting chance at a great deal. Up for offer is some of the Recrystallized Howardite NWA 1929 Classification info below, this material is PAIRED Classification and mineralogy (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): a heavily shocked (S4-6) breccia of 72 vol % cumulate eucrite clasts, 8% subophitic clasts, 14% diogenites and 6% melt clasts. Pervasive
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Bernd, indeed, NWA 1929 was one individual that weighed just 922 grams. I bought it in Morocco in May 2003 for an investment trip. The investors all got their pieces, so it depends on who it came from whether it is real or not. email me the seller, and I can at least tell you if they were an investor who got a share of that meteorite. Again, since NWA 1929 was only 922 grams, and was my stone, and I got it classified, then according to Adam last week and Jeff Grossman, that number belongs to a 922 gram stone, nothing else. So those selling anything as NWA 1929 need answer that. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Bernhard Rendelius Rems' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hell, I am talking about 1929, of course, not 2019 :-) _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:19 PM To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Think about it folks, Calcalong Creek could be sitting in someone's collection with a Millbillillie label on it. Fortunately, Haag noticed a bit of a difference between it and the other meteorites he purchased in Australia. During the NWA number debate of last week or so, I agreed with Adam. Now I agree with Mike. The meteorites of NWA come with several problems that are unique as Mike has stated. We.somebodyneeds to do something to standardize the process and procedure that NWA's must go through to be legitimized. Mike is correct - there appears to be a double standard here. Anyone got some ideas on how to solve the problem? JKG At 08:10 AM 9/23/2004, Michael Farmer wrote: Yes Jim, it wasn't pretty. The part about falls and finds was discussed. There is no need to classify every piece of those meteorites like Gao or Sikhote-Alin as they are from a compact area, and are distinctive enough to lack the need for further classification. When it comes to meteorite mass-concentration areas like North Africa and Oman, then the need for further classification is necessary. Obviously if you are hunting and find them all together, that would be one meteorite, but when buying in the markets there, then everything is mixed up, some paired meteorites being sold in cities 400 miles apart! That makes for some very confusing classification problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out You should have been in Denver, Mike. You would have been shocked to see how much uncut NWA 1929 was being sold at low prices. I am glad that I wasn't on the list the last month to witness the fighting over numbers. Perhaps, each newly found Sikhote-alin should have it's own new name assigned Or the new Glorietta? Or the new Campo? ETC. ETC. ETC. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer /meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110 meteorites, the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams. Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new number and perhaps listed at paired with 1929. I did not participate in last week's discussion, but I am now mad that the same people who fought so hard, are doing exactly what they fought against. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
It's easy to handle. First we open a new numbers series and call the NWA BMA - Bought Meteorite of Africa. Second the Hupes, you, Matteo, Bessey and other twisted sisters organize a foundation together with the IMCA, asking from each seller, who dares to sell such a desert baby, a sample for the thin section and 5% from the selling price and with this funds there will be 2 or 3 poor mineralogists employed, for doing nothing else than to find out the pairings and voila in 30 years those Humpty-Dumptys are all set together again, ready to recieve their NWA number. Again prosit! Martin - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This is an interesting point. The word known implies that up to this point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have been found which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the Meteoritical Society has invoked a specific set of rules for a meteorite to be properly recognized. Maybe it's time for the rule makers to revisit this issue. Best, JKG At 08:35 AM 9/23/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale
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Yeah, there are quite a few anomalies in the whole system... If the name or number given to a fall is only for the specimens given in for analysis, how come falls like sikhote have a total known weight of many tons? Surley only a few kilo's where officially used for the classification, so if we are being strict, the total known weight should really be the 'total classified weight', should it not? Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: JKG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This is an interesting point. The word known implies that up to this point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have been found which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the Meteoritical Society has invoked a specific set of rules for a meteorite to be properly recognized. Maybe it's time for the rule makers to revisit this issue. Best, JKG At 08:35 AM 9/23/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all
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Farmer already answered this question. The Sikhote-Alin area is very isolated and no other iron meteorites (to my knowledge) have been found in the region. Also, the SA meteorites have some very distinct exterior characteristics that are seen in very few, if any, other irons. Then again, nothing is 100% for sure. There is an outside chance that a different iron meteorite could be found in the SA region and sold as an SA. With the price of these irons down in the sub-dollar range, there isn't much incentive to test for a different meteorite. The incentive kicks in when the price of the material is at a high enough point to justify test expenses for one individual specimen. Most of us don't want to admit it, but the issue really is about money. It's important to the NWA nomads all the way up to the final buyer and everyone in between. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't enjoy investing a lot of time, money and energy into a project unless I can be rewarded in some way. If I want to spend my time and money not making more of the almighty dollar, I'll spend that time and money with my friends and family doing something that makes everybody happy. It's a time proven fact, the dollar (or rupee or Euro) drives us all. JKG At 09:02 AM 9/23/2004, mark ford wrote: Yeah, there are quite a few anomalies in the whole system... If the name or number given to a fall is only for the specimens given in for analysis, how come falls like sikhote have a total known weight of many tons? Surley only a few kilo's where officially used for the classification, so if we are being strict, the total known weight should really be the 'total classified weight', should it not? Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: JKG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This is an interesting point. The word known implies that up to this point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have been found which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the Meteoritical Society has invoked a specific set of rules for a meteorite to be properly recognized. Maybe it's time for the rule makers to revisit this issue. Best, JKG At 08:35 AM 9/23/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL
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Moroccan people ask $10/gr. for howardites, and is for the 98% all of the same found. The same for DaG's, if you look my DaG 669 slice http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/DaG669.JPG and DaG 671 slice http://it.geocities.com/mcomemeteoritecollection/DaG671.JPG its of the same material.why no put a unique number? Matteo From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:24:11 +0200 But Bernd... just take the better documented Oman finds or the DaGs. Everybody knows now, what's going on with the NWAs and if it's disturbing, that there is not known the place of find, the date of find and the total known weight, one has those Dhos, DaGs, HaHs ect. as a good alternative choice, especially as they are available at the same price level as the NWAs. Anyway - Beside, that one never will find out the pairings of the NWAs, who could complain at this sick low prices Remember what one had to pay for achondrites 5 or 3 years ago!!! Prosit! Ma - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Filtri antispamming e antivirus per la tua casella di posta http://www.msn.it/msn/hotmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All of you know, researchers are not going to work on every single piece of say 1929, that comes out of NWA. This is a losing battle with no easy solution. This is the problem with NWA and it has been this way from the beginning. I see it in 3 ways... 1. Enjoy the low low prices and visual pairings (sometimes thin section pairings) 2. Do not buy any NWA meteorites except for pieces of the single classified mass 3. If you buy a suspect piece, say 1929, you can try and have it classified yourself. Chances are the researcher won't bother. He/she woiuld rather work on something new. Try having 15 L6's classified. Like pulling teeth. Give em an achondrite and you are good to go. I do not see this as different than Gao, Holbrook, or any other find. The finder cannot be 100% certain that what they found near Holbrook, is in FACT, a HOLBROOK meteorite. You can suppose it is by coincidence, but it begs the question. Its up to you. Point is, ENJOY this HOBBY folks!!! If you are collecting type specimens, then you obviousky will want to have an official class. Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110 meteorites, the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams. Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new number and perhaps listed at paired with 1929. I did not participate in last week's discussion, but I am now mad that the same people who fought so hard, are doing exactly what they fought against. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO
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All of you know, researchers are not going to work on every single piece of say 1929, that comes out of NWA. This is a losing battle with no easy solution. This is the problem with NWA and it has been this way from the beginning. I see it in 3 ways... 1. Enjoy the low low prices and visual pairings (sometimes thin section pairings) 2. Do not buy any NWA meteorites except for pieces of the single classified mass 3. If you buy a suspect piece, say 1929, you can try and have it classified yourself. Chances are the researcher won't bother. He/she woiuld rather work on something new. Try having 15 L6's classified. Like pulling teeth. Give em an achondrite and you are good to go. I do not see this as different than Gao, Holbrook, or any other find. The finder cannot be 100% certain that what they found near Holbrook, is in FACT, a HOLBROOK meteorite. You can suppose it is by coincidence, but it begs the question. Its up to you. Point is, ENJOY this HOBBY folks!!! If you are collecting type specimens, then you obviousky will want to have an official class. Matt Morgan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110 meteorites, the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams. Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new number and perhaps listed at paired with 1929. I did not participate in last week's discussion, but I am now mad that the same people who fought so hard, are doing exactly what they fought against. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:35 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot
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Hi List, Many will be glad to hear meetings were held in Denver to discuss these very issues. As I already stated in our auctions and on the List, a secondary type specimen was submitted and determined to be paired with NWA 1929 by the same laboratory (NAU). NWA 1929 was still in provisional status at that time so more weight could be added. The same scientist determined that NWA 1929 was unique enough that there was no question of a pairing and using the provisional name NWA 1929 was alright in this case because type specimens were provided. As we also made very clear from the beginning, we requested a different number and will see if the NomCom adds the weight or uses a new number already reserved. Everything is by the books, a type specimen was provided, a NomCom recognized laboratory was hired to study the piece, a scientific report was submitted and a provisional NWA number was assigned. There is no double standard here. The question about what is being done by the IMCA about NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 is simple to answer. There is nothing they can do because the offending party is not an IMCA member and has no standards or ethics to be concerned with. What we are doing about is a completely different matter that will be discussed sometime in the future. Things are going to change greatly over the next year. Some will enjoy the changes and others will resist, that's life. You only live life once so there is no time for a rehearsal, do the best you can now, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ok Adam,. I can accept this from you, sounds clear enough, but what about the many kilos of it being sold in Denver by Thompson? What do you suggest? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi List, Many will be glad to hear meetings were held in Denver to discuss these very issues. As I already stated in our auctions and on the List, a secondary type specimen was submitted and determined to be paired with NWA 1929 by the same laboratory (NAU). NWA 1929 was still in provisional status at that time so more weight could be added. The same scientist determined that NWA 1929 was unique enough that there was no question of a pairing and using the provisional name NWA 1929 was alright in this case because type specimens were provided. As we also made very clear from the beginning, we requested a different number and will see if the NomCom adds the weight or uses a new number already reserved. Everything is by the books, a type specimen was provided, a NomCom recognized laboratory was hired to study the piece, a scientific report was submitted and a provisional NWA number was assigned. There is no double standard here. The question about what is being done by the IMCA about NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 is simple to answer. There is nothing they can do because the offending party is not an IMCA member and has no standards or ethics to be concerned with. What we are doing about is a completely different matter that will be discussed sometime in the future. Things are going to change greatly over the next year. Some will enjoy the changes and others will resist, that's life. You only live life once so there is no time for a rehearsal, do the best you can now, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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on 9/23/04 7:58 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Michael, Perhaps you need A LOT MORE meteorites! Best wishes, Michael PS: (good natured kidding here, folks, don't go ballistic on me) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Mike and List, This seems to be a very touchy subject so I will address it in general. I feel that if a pairing is suspected the following should happen: A proper sized specimen should be liberated from the suspected pairing. The primary or secondary type specimen should be submitted to an authorized laboratory. The reason I use the term primary or secondary is because a pairing has not yet been established. A NomCom approved scientist should then submit classification data for consideration. If a pairing is suspected this should be included in the data. And finally, it should be voted on to make it official. We submit a sample from almost every suspected achondrite unless found in fragmental form. Several unpaired and rare specimens have come from sticking to this standard. A few examples are: A stone thought to be a Howardite turned out to be a much rarer Polymict Diogenite (NWA 1648). A Howardite was found mixed into a batch of NWA 1109 (Polymict Eucrite). The examples go on and on. If somebody is not willing to submit examples for study they should make it clear that their specimens are unofficial. All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Ok Adam,. I can accept this from you, sounds clear enough, but what about the many kilos of it being sold in Denver by Thompson? What do you suggest? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi List, Many will be glad to hear meetings were held in Denver to discuss these very issues. As I already stated in our auctions and on the List, a secondary type specimen was submitted and determined to be paired with NWA 1929 by the same laboratory (NAU). NWA 1929 was still in provisional status at that time so more weight could be added. The same scientist determined that NWA 1929 was unique enough that there was no question of a pairing and using the provisional name NWA 1929 was alright in this case because type specimens were provided. As we also made very clear from the beginning, we requested a different number and will see if the NomCom adds the weight or uses a new number already reserved. Everything is by the books, a type specimen was provided, a NomCom recognized laboratory was hired to study the piece, a scientific report was submitted and a provisional NWA number was assigned. There is no double standard here. The question about what is being done by the IMCA about NWA 1110 and NWA 1877 is simple to answer. There is nothing they can do because the offending party is not an IMCA member and has no standards or ethics to be concerned with. What we are doing about is a completely different matter that will be discussed sometime in the future. Things are going to change greatly over the next year. Some will enjoy the changes and others will resist, that's life. You only live life once so there is no time for a rehearsal, do the best you can now, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Martin and all, Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rem goes by the name of Bernhard and is NOT Bernd Pauli who supplies us with all the statistical data we all appreciate. Bernhard does have a nice website that a number of people have supported by sharing info with him from this list. I just want people to know there are two different people out there for both posters sake and the people on the list who I have wondered know the difference. Best to all. Martin Altmann wrote: But Bernd... just take the better documented Oman finds or the DaGs. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing demands on NWA. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'almitt' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This is an ongoing discussion between Martin and me :-) Martin is totally right: The meteorites from Oman and the ones from Dar Al Gani are much better documented. He's always wondering why I am so fond of the NWA's and disregard the Dhofars, Dags and HaHs. Well, actually, I don't :-). I have some of them, even main masses. But yes, I am a NWA junkie in some way. This isn't a rational thing. It's just affection in some way. Offer me a NWA number I don't have, and I'll most probably buy it, whether it is classified or not. That's the irrational part of my addiction, and I am not ashame for it. And he calls me Bernd just because we are in love *g*. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dhofar 241, Dho244, Dho250, Dho251, Dho253, Dho254, Dho255, Dho256, Dho257, Dho258, Dho260, Dho261, Dho262, Dho264, Dho265, Dho334, Dho380, Dho381, Dho384, Dho387, Dho388, Dho390, Dho391, Dho392, Dho393, Dho394, Dho395, Dho396, Dho397, Dho398, Dho399, Dho400, Dho401, Dho403, Dho404, Dho405, Dho407, Dho408, Dho410, Dho412, Dho414, Dho416, Dho418, Dho419, Dho420, Dho421, Dho422, Dho423, Dho424, Dho428, Dho431, Dho432, Dho433, Dho435, Dho436, Dho437, Dho438, Dho439, Dho442, Dho446, Dho448, Dho449, Dho451, Dho453, Dho454, Dho455, Dho470, Dho472, Dho474, Dho475, Dho477, Dho478, Dho479, Dho482, Dho483, Dho549, Dho550, Dho552, Dho553, Dho554, Dho555, Dho556, Dho557, Dho558, Dho559, Dho560, Dho561, Dho562, Dho563, Dho564, Dho565, Dho566, Dho567, Dho568, Dho569, Dho570, Dho571, Dho572, Dho573, Dho574, Dho575, Dho576, Dho577, Dho578, Dho579, Dho582, Dho583, Dho587, Dho588, Dho589, Dho590, Dho591, Dho592, Dho593, Dho594, Dho595, Dho596, Dho597, Dho598, Dho600, Dho602, Dho603, Dho604, Dho605, Dho606, Dho607, Dho608, Dho609, Dho610, Dho611, Dho612, Dho613, Dho615, Dho616, Dho617, Dho618, Dho619, Dho620, Dho621, Dho623, Dho624, Dho625, Dho626, Dho627, Dho628, Dho629, Dho630, Dho631, Dho632, Dho633, Dho634, Dho635, Dho636, Dho637, Dho639, Dho640, Dho641, Dho642, Dho643, Dho644, Dho645, Dho646, Dho647, Dho648, SaU068, SaU069, SaU070, SaU071, SaU072, SaU073, SaU074, SaU075, SaU076, SaU078, Dho485, HaH280, HaH285, HaH286... VERY extremely necessarily best documented. The finder noted the exact geographical coordinates, exact find weight, exact find date, exact number of stones, all proper classified with shock stage, weathering grade, exact weight of type specimen. NO 20 greed-numbers for the very same material, NO pairings, NO tkw-sale-gimmicks, NO surprise on the next fair, where suddenly 40kg are more around, NO uncles in Morocco, who have another ton in stock, NO dangerous expeditions reports to and NO found in Morocco (gosh two thirds of my collectors think, that Rissani or Erfoud is something similar like an antarctic icefield), NO Evil Knevil, who starts on ebay selling that number, because he was told, that the similar looking stones are the same material, NONON! Uuuuh how should I exress myself, help me coin collectors on the list! It's the same as Martin would go on a flea market and find a crusty roman coin. He says: Wow real roman!! And gives the seller 20 bucks. The coin is authentic, but one of the most minted Constantines and of so bad degree, so that no numismacist, would give even a penny for it. On the scala of collector's value the NWAs are on the lowest step, that's what a beginning collector HAS to know. And nobody honours the efforts of a finder, who acribically documents his finds! They are all crazy about that NWA stuff and even like to buy them rather than other, but documented, desert finds, although the have the same price! The mentioned numbers ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH METEORITE-MARTIN !!! Good night. Martin - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing demands on NWA. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'almitt' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This is an ongoing discussion between Martin and me :-) Martin is totally right: The meteorites from Oman and the ones from Dar Al Gani are much better documented. He's always wondering why I am so fond of the NWA's and disregard the Dhofars, Dags and HaHs. Well, actually, I don't :-). I have some of them, even main masses. But yes, I am a NWA junkie in some way. This isn't a rational thing. It's just affection in some way. Offer me a NWA number I don't have, and I'll most probably buy it, whether it is classified or not. That's the irrational part of my addiction, and I am not ashame for it. And he calls me Bernd just because we are in love *g*. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ken, indeed, there may be other pieces, but since Adam and Jeff Grossman made it extremely clear last week that like the 1068 and 1110 meteorites, the name can only be used for my original piece 922 grams. Anything thought to be paired needs to be classified and given a new number and perhaps listed at paired with 1929. I did not participate in last week's discussion, but I am now mad that the same people who fought so hard, are doing exactly what they fought against. Mike Farmer I agree, but world is not perfect. I want to say about another side of mirror in this case from my point of view. This is also the main reason why people sell METxx as MET01 in my opinion. I can buy NWA1110 , NWA1877, Amgala, NWA1929, and what You want from Morocco.. but for now I not find anyone who can classify my meteorites. I search in UCLA, I asked f.e. Dr. Greshake, Dr. Bischoff, M Grady and few other scientist. Never received any answer, opinion if YES, NOT or not possible at this time. And ofcourse I know, noone will play with L6 or H5, so I not asking for that. Maybe I asking wrong questions to wrong people, dont know. Second problem, I cant buy hundreds grams of Hovie or few grams of mars, spend thousands of $$ and then waiting 6 months maybe for classification and maybe year for number. Its impossible. This everything take too long. I submited in may to Meteoritical Bulletin L3 S1/W1, my first submited meteorite. OK it have ID 90 and still on Tracking page no info when someone will check this if this data is correct ! So I not expect to receive number in this year ! Its only small L3 with TKW 111g, but I know that there is few kilo of the same material. So when I will buy another grams from the same morocco dealer what I should to do ? Make the whole process from begining ? Never :) OK You can now tell me to go play with minerals or open shop with clothes or go back to sell Ghubara, Sau001 and Gao only again. But my hobby is meteorites. So someone for who is importand to have X grams from XXX grams TKW, he can buy it on TKW owner for XX$. Others, can buy from other sources as paired for usualy only X$. But anyway, when someone CAN buy howardite for around 20$/g or less, then excuse me, but he should be extremely happy For me alvays Howie was the same rare material as lunars, marses and now ? Hovie for 20$/g woooww. This is not fair maybe, but the whole situation with NWA is not fair, begin from finding specimens and end on sale. As Martin say, go buy well documented Dhofars if this is more importand for You than look of purchased specimens. Its alvays trust to dealer that his honesty that he know what he is selling. I never checked any of my private collection specimens from what piece they come or if they are authentic. I much more like the look of specimens all this details and differences etc. At last all pieces are meteorites. This was My point of view. Maybe not right or popular, but at last my private statement CU You all in monday again, have good weekend -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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No, Dhofar does have better documentation than the majority of NWAs. GPS coordinates are required for Dhofar, JaH, SAU, ect. Unlike the typical 'GPS' coordinates for NWAs = 'bought in Tucson' Devin - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing demands on NWA. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'almitt' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This is an ongoing discussion between Martin and me :-) Martin is totally right: The meteorites from Oman and the ones from Dar Al Gani are much better documented. He's always wondering why I am so fond of the NWA's and disregard the Dhofars, Dags and HaHs. Well, actually, I don't :-). I have some of them, even main masses. But yes, I am a NWA junkie in some way. This isn't a rational thing. It's just affection in some way. Offer me a NWA number I don't have, and I'll most probably buy it, whether it is classified or not. That's the irrational part of my addiction, and I am not ashame for it. And he calls me Bernd just because we are in love *g*. Bernhard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Well Said. Devin - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi Rob, and All, Wow, you really know what's going on. Most of the Dhofar, SaU, DaG, and HaH finds are documented, i.e., we have the exact find locations and find circumstances on record, published in the Meteoritical Bulletin, and these data can be accessed by anyone who has the desire to do so. This is also true for a few selected NWA meteorites, but most of these lack proper documentation for obvious reasons. And a lack of proper documentation, i.e. exact find locations makes it really hard to say which meteorites may be paired or not. Dou you see the difference? Hey, and there are no other demands on the meteorites from Oman, Libya, or other desert areas compared to the demands on NWAs - their pairing is mostly established by scientists, at least for the rare classes. Several of the meteorite hunters that go to Oman, or Libya are scientists, or even seasoned meteoriticists, and they are doing an excellent job in the field, and in the lab. Please don't disregard this by simple, and misleading statements. Thanks. Best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing demands on NWA. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thank you Norbert, as always your opinion is valuable to me. Perhaps you can elaborate on my prime example of DHO 020, every piece has been tested then? No whole stones, entire strewnfield collected and documented in a single expedition, nothing held back? Then we can talk about 007 and 700 if you like but let's do it off list. Trying to keep it simple, not misleading, this discussion is not about GPS coordinates. As discussed earlier, Calcalong Creek GPS would have made it a Millbillillie. GPS is more reliable, yes, but not definitive in PAIRING. The NWA dilemma is requiring classification of every piece, is require easier to understand than demand? Again, I am in favor of likely paired and should have, should have, said such. OK with MetSoc, OK with me if that circumvents waiting months or years to state the obvious. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernhard Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Hi Rob, and All, Wow, you really know what's going on. Most of the Dhofar, SaU, DaG, and HaH finds are documented, i.e., we have the exact find locations and find circumstances on record, published in the Meteoritical Bulletin, and these data can be accessed by anyone who has the desire to do so. This is also true for a few selected NWA meteorites, but most of these lack proper documentation for obvious reasons. And a lack of proper documentation, i.e. exact find locations makes it really hard to say which meteorites may be paired or not. Dou you see the difference? Hey, and there are no other demands on the meteorites from Oman, Libya, or other desert areas compared to the demands on NWAs - their pairing is mostly established by scientists, at least for the rare classes. Several of the meteorite hunters that go to Oman, or Libya are scientists, or even seasoned meteoriticists, and they are doing an excellent job in the field, and in the lab. Please don't disregard this by simple, and misleading statements. Thanks. Best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Dhofar 010, 020, 007.. Not necessarily better documentation, just exemption from the pairing demands on NWA. Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This debate is exactly why I focus collecting meteorites from other places besides the deserts. I only have 10 NWAs in my collection. Many researchers jump to classify an L6 from the US over an L6 from Morocco. That is just the way it is. These named meteorites have more sex appeal, IMHO, and in many many cases, hold their value over a long period. Matt Morgan __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Matt and all, Although I collect NWA's (mainly rare items never before obtainable until the NWA Meteorite Rush), I also tend to focus mainly on name brand types for myself and customers. I think a great deal of the problem is this (and I am sure others will disagree) that the PROPER field work wasn't done on collecting and investigating the various strewnfields. If more serious work had been done and a total weight of a fall and recording overlapping fields of meteorites had been noted, then items would have been more readily catalog, written up in the bulletins and named (even if they just had a number). I realize in the desert sands that more material would have been found later, pieces picked up and dropped off in other areas and adding to the confusion but they could still have been identified and paired later. Nomads picking up falls along the way and tossing them on the table as a group for someone to buy without regard to where they came from adds to the lesser value of these orphan meteorites. Someday when enough lab work is done and we can pair all the specimens that came from out of the desert perhaps we can peace the puzzle together and have a map of where specimens originated from giving them a better pedigree. It should be a wake up call for the importance of doing good field work by those hunting and buying specimens. Ironically it may take decades to piece all this together. Hope no one takes this personal but simply my feelings on these specimens. --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Maybe SOMEONE should make a Private Lab with 10?, 20? scientist, where classification of L6 will cost 100$ and achondrite 200$ and waiting time will be month for chondrite and 2 weeks for achondrite. This only one lab or any other insitution should also have a right to give names for meteorites, now only slow Met Society, who do this one time per 6 months as I know. This lab should give certificates not only with scientific data but also with specimen photo. Then all slices from main mass should have copy of this certificate, not only a small dealer card with hands writen informations where also You can write what You want. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Maybe SOMEONE should make a Private Lab with 10?, 20? scientist, where classification of L6 will cost 100$ and achondrite 200$ and waiting time will be month for chondrite and 2 weeks for achondrite. This only one lab or any other insitution should also have a right to give names for meteorites, now only slow Met Society, who do this one time per 6 months as I know. This lab should give certificates not only with scientific data but also with specimen photo. Then all slices from main mass should have copy of this certificate, not only a small dealer card with hands writen informations where also You can write what You want. I have often times woundered why no one in the industry has done this - even if it wasnt NomCom sanctioned - if the science behind the analysis was accurate I dont think it would matter. A thin section can be made and analysis done on a microprobe in a day if you have all of the equipment sitting infront of you. What dealer wouldnt cough up a few hundred $ to get an analysis done overnight instead of having to wait months for even sexy meteorites? not to mention having to give up a potentially sizeable chunk of a rare specimin for the type collection. I have seen nearly new auger microprobes go for 20 or 30k$ before on the secondary market although a SIMS would be needed to do O isotopse. I guess the main stumbling block would be finding an experienced scientist willing to do the work if the equipment were to be provided - there isnt exactly any 'how to classify meteorites for dummies' books floating around out there. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
