Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Matteo, only one thing to say to you. You have NEVER been to Morocco. So do us all a favor, and shut your mouth as you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? I do not make no excuse, I say what task and enough. Sincerely I do not understand where goes to end all the money that these nomads take selling meteorites, inasmuch as I do not see no improvement care their life - they have bought a house, have improved their life? - I see always living to them equal, no improvement, therefore, where they go to end all the money earns from this persons? Care the Pelisson I doubt very that they must themselves be made publicity, inasmuch as well they are known in all Europe, probably not in the great America.. Other issue is the extreme rivalry that the nomads have between of they, time makes Mr.Habibi had said that not sell to me any meteorite why its friend, than then has uncovered who was inasmuch as he was my supplier, had said to it that I never did not pay. Contacted my friend, for having explanations, this it has said to me that they were all used idiocys in order to carry the customers to others. Therefore, seen the situation, I can very well think about all care where he goes to end this money. Io non faccio nessuna scusa, io dico quello che penso e basta. Sinceramente non capisco dove vada a finire tutto il denaro che questi nomadi prendono vendendo meteoriti, visto che non vedo nessun miglioramento riguardo la loro vita - hanno comprato una casa, hanno migliorato la loro vita? - io li vedo sempre vivere uguale, nessun miglioramente, quindi, dove vanno a finire tutti i soldi guadagnati? Riguardo i Pelisson dubito molto che loro si debbano fare pubblicità, visto che sono bene conosciuti in tutta europa, probabilmente non nella grande America.. Altra questione è l'estrema rivalità che i nomadi hanno tra di loro, tempo fa Mr.Habibi aveva detto che a me non vendeva nessuna meteorite perchè un altro suo amico, che poi ho scoperto chi era visto che era il mio fornitore, gli aveva detto che io non pagavo mai. Contattato il mio amico, per avere spiegazioni, questo mi ha detto che erano tutte idiozie usate per portare via clienti ad altri. Quindi, vista la situazione, io posso benissimo pensare di tutto riguardo dove vada a finire questo denaro. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:19:11 + Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks have made it possible for both scientists and collectors to have a full assortment of material for their study and enjoyment. We as meteorite enthusiasts have had our situation improved greatly by these NWA finds. Now this latest accusation by the Pellisons and supporting comments by one person, Matteo, while minor in number, are slander and a major injustice to the good people in NWA who work hard at finding these stones. Their apology to you and others would be appropriate, but I
Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
My friend go in DaG desert from many years, sure over how many time you go, and know very well the persons of the desert, and not go only in DaG zone but the same in Algery and Morocco. I never go in morocco...and the same in Indiabut I have the same the meteorites. From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 00:19:14 -0700 Matteo, only one thing to say to you. You have NEVER been to Morocco. So do us all a favor, and shut your mouth as you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Matt River [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? I do not make no excuse, I say what task and enough. Sincerely I do not understand where goes to end all the money that these nomads take selling meteorites, inasmuch as I do not see no improvement care their life - they have bought a house, have improved their life? - I see always living to them equal, no improvement, therefore, where they go to end all the money earns from this persons? Care the Pelisson I doubt very that they must themselves be made publicity, inasmuch as well they are known in all Europe, probably not in the great America.. Other issue is the extreme rivalry that the nomads have between of they, time makes Mr.Habibi had said that not sell to me any meteorite why its friend, than then has uncovered who was inasmuch as he was my supplier, had said to it that I never did not pay. Contacted my friend, for having explanations, this it has said to me that they were all used idiocys in order to carry the customers to others. Therefore, seen the situation, I can very well think about all care where he goes to end this money. Io non faccio nessuna scusa, io dico quello che penso e basta. Sinceramente non capisco dove vada a finire tutto il denaro che questi nomadi prendono vendendo meteoriti, visto che non vedo nessun miglioramento riguardo la loro vita - hanno comprato una casa, hanno migliorato la loro vita? - io li vedo sempre vivere uguale, nessun miglioramente, quindi, dove vanno a finire tutti i soldi guadagnati? Riguardo i Pelisson dubito molto che loro si debbano fare pubblicità, visto che sono bene conosciuti in tutta europa, probabilmente non nella grande America.. Altra questione è l'estrema rivalità che i nomadi hanno tra di loro, tempo fa Mr.Habibi aveva detto che a me non vendeva nessuna meteorite perchè un altro suo amico, che poi ho scoperto chi era visto che era il mio fornitore, gli aveva detto che io non pagavo mai. Contattato il mio amico, per avere spiegazioni, questo mi ha detto che erano tutte idiozie usate per portare via clienti ad altri. Quindi, vista la situazione, io posso benissimo pensare di tutto riguardo dove vada a finire questo denaro. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] l.com Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:19:11 + Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks
RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism?
Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer To: Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail, Dialogue en direct et SMS gratuits sur minitel : 3615 CARAMAIL
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Habibi, their name is Pellison, they are French, I am sure you know them. Mike Farmer hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer To: Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail, Dialogue en direct et SMS gratuits sur minitel : 3615 CARAMAIL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Aziz Habibi, Please DO NOT quit this list. It is important that we hear from people where meteorites are found. As a professional anthropologist AND an amateur meteorite hunter/collector, let me say that we do appreciate your comments... Best wishes, Nick, Ph.D. Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D. UCLA Human Complex Systems Program http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Greetings Habibi, Like Mike says, their name is Pellison, they are French. I think they are greedy, and are bad for NWA buyers, sellers, and hunters. With many GREAT meteorite peoples, I suppose there must be one or two bad ones. Hah, Libyian connection? Why are they like this? What is their REAL problem? Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Habibi, their name is Pellison, they are French, I am sure you know them. Mike Farmer hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public email to Farmer. If instead it will be made, I have an other account, and then an other anchor, and an other... Farmercosa fai il doppio gioco? Metti le email private pubbliche? Ma come, a me dicevi di non farlo e ora lo fai anche tu? Vuole dire che ti và male se fai così. Comunque, se vengo bannato da questa lista ora vuol dire che non è per nulla democratica visto che non ho aperto bocca mettendo nessuna email pubblica. Se invece sarà fatto, fatelo pure, tanto ho un altro account, e poi un altro ancora, e un altro... From: Michael Farmer To: Subject: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 07:31:44 -0700 - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites To: Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? We all know it is Matteo, he is so stupid that he doesn't even know how to lie well. Mike Farmer shh...go go to sale your fake new diogenite and new martian hahahahanow I hope the NWA market close, I want see after what you sold = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Personalizza MSN Messenger con sfondi e fotografie! http://www.ilovemessenger.msn.it/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list E-mail, Dialogue en direct et SMS gratuits sur minitel : 3615 CARAMAIL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Habibi, their name is Pellison, they are French, I am sure you know them. Mike Farmer Well, maybe he dont know the pellisons. I say this because it is hard to believe that somebody who knows what they are talking about and would have first hand experience about how the meteorite market in morocco works could come up with such a downright idiotic train of thought. I know that many list members have never been to morocco but if you did go you can easily see where the money is going. These people dont hoard money or ship it to relitives in third world countries. You can easily see where the money is going that the locals get. They tell you. You can see the construction going on on houses where the nomads (Often no longer true nomads) live. They might have a car. And like any parent some of the money is spent so kids can get a better education (Remember - a lot of these people have never been to school and they see the few people with a minimal education getting all of the few available jobs that are available like in banks and things). While many of the sellers are no longer true nomads some regularly travel to the desert on two or three month trips where they have true nomads all over the Sahara looking for meteorites for them (Who get a cut of the money directly also). A very large portion of the money you pay for meteorites goes to the local Saharan economy. The economy in morocco is small. Several hundred thousand dollars spent goes a long way. 80% unemployment is a conservative figure. Up to a decade or so ago $200 was a years wages. Its not like in North America where unemployment rates are based on people actually looking. In Morocco if you want a job you go looking for meteorites or spend a few days in the fossil mountains and dig fossils and then spend a few days trying to sell them. So thats why I say that habibi might not actually know the pellisons. If the pellisons knew what they were talking about they wouldent come up with such a stupid idea that has no intelligence or knowledge whatsoever associated with it. What has there been - $2 million dollars spent on meteorites in the past year or so in morocco?. For terrorists used to smuggling drugs and arms where the market is measured into the multiple billions of dollars getting into the meteorite market wouldent make much intelligent sense. I am sure that there has been something dumber said on this list in the past but I cant think offhand what it could be. This probably takes the cake. It just shows how desperate that the pellisons are and shows how low they are willing to sink in an effort to sell meteorites. There are no terrorists selling meteorites in morocco. There are thousands of poor locals searching for meteorites in the desert. Even at low african wages terrorists woudlent be getting enough money to pay their wages to search. There just plain isnt enough money involved and the searching to labour intensive and time consuming for a terrorist group to consider getting involved. Remember, how much walking do you have to do in arizona or nevada in the desert to find a meteorite? Its no easier in Africa. You just have more people saerching thats all. This is stupid. Sincerely DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aziz Habibi, Please DO NOT quit this list. It is important that we hear from people where meteorites are found. As a professional anthropologist AND an amateur meteorite hunter/collector, let me say that we do appreciate your comments... Best wishes, Nick, Ph.D. Yes, I agree. We dont hear from many moroccans on this list which is to bad considering how moroccan meteorites have totally revolutionized the entire industry/science over the past couple of years. More postings from you would be best - not fewer. Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks have made it possible for both scientists and collectors to have a full assortment of material for their study and enjoyment. We as meteorite enthusiasts have had our situation improved greatly by these NWA finds. Now this latest accusation by the Pellisons and supporting comments by one person, Matteo, while minor in number, are slander and a major injustice to the good people in NWA who work hard at finding these stones. Their apology to you and others would be appropriate, but I doubt if they ever would do it. They are not that kind of people I'm afraid. If you can, forget about them and treat them as minor players in all this, because they are minor players. But remember them if and when they come to you and others in NWA looking for material, and be sure to turn them away empty handed. There are enough other dealers who will treat you more properly. You can always come to the list for support as your can see by the response of most who support the NWA cause. These lies are not nice, but you can see that we think they have no truth to them. We will still be supporting the NWA market for years to come. Tell your friends to keep their chins up and continue their search of more. Best Regards to the people of NWA, John hello list hell all all nwa will remember this day, my god what can people do to sell stone, what happend to this wolrd, im sick of all this lies why all this what do you want, thanks dean thanks to all who awserd this lies , you think that the nomade do not read what is on the list , they go to archives and know everthing, my god , why all this lies im so sick that im going to qiet i m tired of all the lies that people write on this list. im going to print this letter and give to nomade with the names of who write it you lies abaout nwa and you lies abaout poor nomade and they are only looking for eat, why you do not let the nomade in there peace and desert , fight if you want but let the poor nomade in peace what we cant hear this time its a shame, no and no its a shame who is this new loby againt nwa you know who will lost , with lies , no its all of us , this type letter can make stoping all the stone geting out from nwa , and then nothing why all this , why why why its a shame damn , cam this people sleep with there consciense if they have consciense i m so sick that i cam write bye --- Message d'origine --- De: Bernhard \ Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 18:46:19 +0100 Sujet: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Ok, now Matteo has admitted that he is Matt River. Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt River Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 5:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Farmer what you make the double game? You put the privat emails in public? But like, to me you said not to make it and hour make it also you? I wants to say that you go badly if you make therefore. However, if I come banned from this list hour, wants to say that it is not for null democratic inasmuch as I have not opened mouth and I not have put any public
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i swear with all what i love that all nwa will know this and will know the name of the pillisons nomade are like camels they never forget --- Message d'origine --- De: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 13:56:44 -0800 (PST) Sujet: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? --- Nicholas Gessler wrote: Aziz Habibi, Please DO NOT quit this list. It is important that we hear from people where meteorites are found. As a professional anthropologist AND an amateur meteorite hunter/collector, let me say that we do appreciate your comments... Best wishes, Nick, Ph.D. Yes, I agree. We dont hear from many moroccans on this list which is to bad considering how moroccan meteorites have totally revolutionized the entire industry/science over the past couple of years. More postings from you would be best - not fewer. Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Les noms de domaine les moins chers du marché : 6,49 euros HT sur http://www.lycos.fr/pro .
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Hello Everyone, You know, this just makes me sick. For the Pellissons to try to use terrorism as a marketing ploy is incomprehensible and an insult to free-thinking, free-willed, and just plain Free People everywhere. This is not unlike all those seeking blood money by hawking Columbia related things on ebay only hours after the Shuttle and astronauts were lost. To try to connect NWA meteorites with financing terrorism for the not-so-veiled attempt at self-gain is despicable and at least I have the pleasure of knowing that we in the unofficial meteorite community recognize these people for what they are. I have friends on the ground in the infantry and in the air flying Black Hawks in Afghanistan and Iraq at this moment and and every time I hear of soldiers dying or a helicopter is shot down I wonder if it is someone I know. The home of the Third Infantry Division is just down the road from me (the windows in my house shake when they practice artillery) at Ft. Stewart and helicopters routinely fly in and out of Hunter Army Airfield and I often think of these brave men and women who literally risk their most precious belonging for what little pay they get. Then comes along the Pellissons who essentially make at mockery of what my friends are fighting for their own financial gain. Well, I had better end this now before I write something that may get me kicked off the list. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I do not make no excuse, I say what task and enough. Sincerely I do not understand where goes to end all the money that these nomads take selling meteorites, inasmuch as I do not see no improvement care their life - they have bought a house, have improved their life? - I see always living to them equal, no improvement, therefore, where they go to end all the money earns from this persons? Care the Pelisson I doubt very that they must themselves be made publicity, inasmuch as well they are known in all Europe, probably not in the great America.. Other issue is the extreme rivalry that the nomads have between of they, time makes Mr.Habibi had said that not sell to me any meteorite why its friend, than then has uncovered who was inasmuch as he was my supplier, had said to it that I never did not pay. Contacted my friend, for having explanations, this it has said to me that they were all used idiocys in order to carry the customers to others. Therefore, seen the situation, I can very well think about all care where he goes to end this money. Io non faccio nessuna scusa, io dico quello che penso e basta. Sinceramente non capisco dove vada a finire tutto il denaro che questi nomadi prendono vendendo meteoriti, visto che non vedo nessun miglioramento riguardo la loro vita - hanno comprato una casa, hanno migliorato la loro vita? - io li vedo sempre vivere uguale, nessun miglioramente, quindi, dove vanno a finire tutti i soldi guadagnati? Riguardo i Pelisson dubito molto che loro si debbano fare pubblicità, visto che sono bene conosciuti in tutta europa, probabilmente non nella grande America.. Altra questione è l'estrema rivalità che i nomadi hanno tra di loro, tempo fa Mr.Habibi aveva detto che a me non vendeva nessuna meteorite perchè un altro suo amico, che poi ho scoperto chi era visto che era il mio fornitore, gli aveva detto che io non pagavo mai. Contattato il mio amico, per avere spiegazioni, questo mi ha detto che erano tutte idiozie usate per portare via clienti ad altri. Quindi, vista la situazione, io posso benissimo pensare di tutto riguardo dove vada a finire questo denaro. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aziz habibi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Fw: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites - money for terrorism? Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:19:11 + Habibi and friends in NWA, As a simple collector of meteorites with a lot of NWA material in my collection, I want to say some things that support your efforts and livelihood. First off, do not let the off-based comments of a few jealous dealers upset the trust and good business practices you enjoy with the dealers you are used to working with. These comments made by the Pellisons and Matteo yesterday are intended to upset the people in NWA, and to drive away collectors like myself. We are not that easily influenced or ignorant to the fact that their actual motives are to slow down your business, and to draw attention to themselves in the hope of collectors like myself would want to buy from them instead. I would say there are very few, if any, that would fall for such tactics, and in fact their comments only reinforce the notion that I do not, and will not buy from those who make such comments. The Pellisons as Norbert pointed out yesterday have used similar propaganda on their website that pointed to the lack of documentation for NWA's as a reason not to buy them. As if this lack of documentation made these finds lesser meteorites. I have said this before and I'll say it again, it does not bother me that NWAs are not documented in great detail in all cases. I wish it could be improved, but it certainly does not affect my thinking when purchasing material. We know some of it is documented and that is good for those who want to look for more of the same material in a known location, and for those who want to understand the nature of desert finds and strewnfields. For me, the quantity and quality of material from NWA is excellent, and your folks have made it possible for both scientists and collectors to have a full assortment of material for their study and enjoyment. We as meteorite enthusiasts have had our situation improved greatly by these NWA finds. Now this latest accusation by the Pellisons and supporting comments by one person, Matteo, while minor in number, are slander and a major injustice to the good people in NWA who work hard at finding these stones. Their apology to you and others would be appropriate, but I doubt if they ever would do it. They are not that kind of people I'm afraid. If you can, forget about them and treat them as minor players in all this, because they are minor players. But remember them if and when they come to you and others in NWA looking for material, and be sure to turn them away empty handed. There are enough other dealers who will treat you more properly. You can always come to the list for support as your can see
